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- fkr3, on 10/11/2007, -3/+63Why abuse and steal from a service that specifically counters some of the more common arguments for piracy?
They let you listen to the music for free while you're at home, and if you want to own a copy you buy a copy. You get to preview it as much as you want in full before deciding if you like it enough to buy it and there doesn't appear to be any drm. Isn't that what you wanted?
What more do you want exactly? Do you honestly expect them to just give it all away for nothing? Why don't you ask BMW to abandon the concept of charging for products too?
Why would you buy an mp3 player if you couldn't afford music? That's like buying a car if you can't afford gas, or a television if you can't afford cable, or a phone if you can't afford phone calls. - Easty, on 10/11/2007, -0/+38That's what they think.
I'll just attach some wheels to my computer desk.
Sorted. - yohan, on 10/11/2007, -1/+22@fkr3
That's actually the most well-put and thought-provoking comment I've seen on digg.
There's basically no need for piracy any more, yay. - yfph, on 10/11/2007, -4/+19transcoding from 128kbps AAC to whatever kbps MP3? Sheesh, I hope you listen to those songs during your subway commute.
- TheWhiteOtter, on 10/11/2007, -1/+15Best line on their: "The beleaguered music industry has often been resistant to new ideas during its seven-year sales slide."
RIAA Guy #1: Sales have been falling for seven years now any ideas?
RIAA Guy #2: Do nothing. That'll work.
RIAA Guy #1: Nothing? You sure?
RIAA Guy #2: OK OK. Maybe we can sue a few people.
RIAA Guy #1: Cool! - theholycow, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8@woowoowoo22:
The same thing that keeps people from running a cable from the audio output jack into their microphone jack and recording, saving, and taking it with them for free now with existing play-for-free services such as rhapsody and napster. Nothing. It's just an annoying hassle to have to record by clicking "record" and "stop" and waiting for the whole song to play. - fkr3, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3@ Fafnir - I'm not for a second suggesting innocent people be punished, I'm advocating guilty people being punished. The courts can decide who's innocent or guilty.
If that 20,000 figure is right then the innocent ones are *very* rare exceptions because we only hear about a very small fraction of that number. They get your IP while you're doing it then they get your identity from your ISP, which isn't guaranteed to point to the perpetrator but it seems there's a pretty good chance of a connection between who's using an internet connection and who's paying for that internet connection. - s1mph0ny, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4@lys
When you transcode a lossy format you get the combined flaws of both formats. Most people aren't going to want to rip the stream unless it's in a format that their player can use already. - kodoTM, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3This is interesting, but I'm pretty happy about owning all my music myself - and being in control of the bit rate. I'm also not punished if I take it with me on my iPod. I'm more excited about software like The Filter ( http://www.thefilter.com ), that helps you make the most of the music you already had (and had completely forgotten about...)
- fishrjv, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2ad & spyware free? anybody tried it?
- CapnMarko, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Well it doesn't seem that you can play full songs from other people's playlists it just does less the 30 second clips .... why bother??
It seems to be pretty slow and rather buggy, like some songs it just will not play and sit there all hung up. It would be nice if they would indicate which songs can be completly played (like which are Warner) and which will not ... they need a filter or perhaps I just haven't found it yet. I don't want to listen to their "radio" but I wouldn't mind listening to the albums they have available. Right now the user experience is pretty crap.
Does anyone know if you download the damn software you can then listen to full songs on other people's playlists??? Or is it just freakin clips, or all of the Warner tunes, or all of the Warner tunes and the tunes you already have on your playlists??
Right now this service is looking pretty weak .... anyone with insights on if I'm doing it wrong are appreciated. - Fafnir43, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4fkr3: Question. What happens if an innocent person gets accused? Answer: they essentially have no right of response. They can pay the settlement, or they can go up against the RIAA's lawyers - which will take years and probably cost more than the settlement would have in the first place, because the RIAA will purposefully drag the case out. And on the off-chance that they lose despite their innocence, they'll be ruined at $150,000 per song. And RIAA shills are pushing for jail time on *top* of that! There is a line between sensible lawsuits and extortion. The RIAA crossed that line with the first lawsuit against a file sharer. Now we've reached twenty thousand or so.
I believe that pirating music is wrong (and so I don't pirate music), but it's nowhere *near* as wrong as giving a single cent to the evil bastards who run the RIAA. - Dycacian, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4@fkr3 - I totally agree. I would buy so much more music if I could sample entire albums from my home computer. I listen to 90% of my music on my IPod, and if I get hooked listening on my home computer, which happens to double as my stereo, I will be more than willing to pay for good music to put on my IPod.
It is all about exposure. Even if some people steal their music, and I am sure they will, they will be exposing many more people to a much greater range of music. Those that will pay for music will be more likely to buy if they are exposed to more music. They will offset the cost. The feeling I get from reading all about the DRM arguments is that most people would be willing to pay for music, if the distributors were not so greedy abut it. If this site delivers what it says it can, then it is a good first step into a more consumer friendly method of distributing music. - chaesar, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Indeed, this could be successful, but they wont make any money off of me. I only listen to music at work, sitting at a computer, or at home, near a computer. I don't need to have music at my fingertips all the damn time, so this should help cushion the blow if the FCC winds up killing mom-and-pop webcasters with the new royalty fees they plan on enacting July 15th.
- phillyjo, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4I really like the approach this site is taking.
Shame there arn't more albums yet. But im gonna buy an album from their site (one I like) anyway, even though i usually dont buy music, just to support their approach. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2http://seeqpod.com larger still
- PopcornDave, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1@theholycow
You're right. That's why you record an hour or two of music and then cut it up with Audacity or something similar. Assuming of course they don't blend the endings and beginnings of the songs together. - Nogger, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1If this is indeed the case, it is pretty lame. No indication about that. I tried an album, got only 30 seconds samples in something that sounded like 32kHz and left rather disappointed.
- Xabora, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Nevermind, seems to be pulling images not audio.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d1/Tool-logo-early.jpg - s1mph0ny, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3Stickin' it to the man never looked so funny.
- simplejoe79, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1well worth checking out.....
- Xabora, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1http://www.lala.com/frontend/action/artist/Nine_Inch_Nails?Q=Artist%3A%20%22Nine%20Inch%20Nails%22&fc=home
Funny, if you click the play icon on a song you will notice it downloads data from upload.wikimedia.com.
Something is fishy. - CapnMarko, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I think the 30 second rule applies to stuff that is not part of the Warner Group. I was confused about that when I tried to listen to some Bowie albums to test it out and it was cutting out after 30 seconds .... but now I'm listening to Wilco and it's playing the whole songs.
I'll check out listening to other people's playlists maybe you can get whole non-Warner songs that way.
I haven't bothered to download the "software" as I'm not interested in the cross-computer by internet track listening at the moment, maybe latter. - bakdraft, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1moé
www.itBreaks.net - dailyshowboy23, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1If this service came without DRM and all of the crap that usually comes with promising services, I would be all for it
- isosceles, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1What a stupid graph...comparing online track sales to entire cd album sales? Those are two entirely different concepts. Tracks are 99 cents and albums are ~$10 or more, so there's still 10x more money involved with selling albums. Also, if someone bought a digital album with 12 tracks does that mean they counted the sale 12x? With that logic you would have to expect sales of digital music to be higher simply because they aren't comparing two similar items.
- cawpin, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Go to http://www.mp3tunes.com/ You can back up your music there, with unlimited space, for free.
- djspike, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1very interesting business model. I'm willing to try it out.
- mortaneous, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1If they add Linux support, I'd use it. It's the best idea for online music sales I've heard yet. I'll have to investigate it more later.
- fkr3, on 10/11/2007, -7/+8@ logicbomb
Those people need to accept that they can't have it then. The rest of the world's come to grips with that concept - I can't afford a Porsche, sucks to not be able to afford one, but it's just something I have to live with... er without.
None of us here would tolerate our bosses announcing they no longer want to pay us but still expect us to come in to work. No manufacturers or distributers or retailers would accept that argument from their customers. Banks sure won't accept it when a mortgage payment is due. Music producers don't have to accept it either.
With all the free options available - indie music, free/promotional giveaways, ad supported, lala's new offering, radio etc - there's no justification for taking music you're required to pay for without paying. If they do it and get caught and sued then it serves them right. Treat them harsher than people caught shoplifting because shoplifters don't have the luxury of free alternatives or even free-with-strings versions of what they want. - Anliz, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Now all we need is a company to come out with a product that will let you listen to music free on portable players, but pay to listen at home. hmmm
- s02mike, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I can see it now, listen to it on lala.com and because someone doesn't want to buy the whole album go to I tunes to buy the single track. Why can't people think versatility? If I had I tunes, lala.com and rhapsody all combined to one I would be a happy camper. I hate listening to 30 seconds of a song and then realize I really don't like it. but I do anyway because I can't afford subscription based products. WHY GOD, WHY DO I LIKE MUSIC SO MUCH?!?!?!?!
- lntrigue, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0installed on xp: no ads or spyware.
however its kinda buggy: it spent 2 hrs updating my 5000 tracks at 100% cpu using the CDDB. then i noticed it wasnt getting past like 4700 or so, so i hit stop and it said I had timed out after 30 minutes and to log back in...
whatever, i can still listen to all my tracks on all my computers now, which is sweet.
i recommend trying it out
anyone try this with wine yet? - mkiefer, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2no linux support, boo.
- musicer, on 01/25/2008, -0/+0http://misicaviva.info/category/jazz/ jazz jazz
http://mp3-music-finder.info/category/jazz/ jazz jazz
http://music-exp.info/category/jazz/ jazz jazz
http://music411.info/category/indie/ indie indie
http://top-popular-music-downloads.info/category/j ... jazz jazz
http://vikingmusic.info/category/indie/ indie indie
http://musicaviva.info/category/jazz/ jazz jazz - lntrigue, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1just installed it: it seems to have only detected 5000 of my tracks - at least for the initial upload.
i'm not sure what algorithm they're using to choose which tracks though, because it seems to be picking random songs from an album but not others - compubomb, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1this site is total B.S. they only let you listen to tracks for 30 seconds at a time, on top of the fact that they make you install a plugin on your system to listen to their tracks, screw that.
- jamesmnz, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2"The risks include enabling Lala customers to circumvent the proprietary iTunes software". Apple makes its money on the sale of iPods, not the iTunes Music Store. As long as people buy the iPods, Apple has nothing to worry about.
- Spacecow, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0Woah, when did this happen? I've been using lala for almost a year now as a CD-trading service, as they mention near the very end of an article. I was already convinced that lala was one of the best sites on the web for that reason alone. This stuff is almost icing on the cake.
- lntrigue, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0not true. as i write this i'm listening to an entire album i don't own from start to finish from their site.
black bears are better - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -11/+10You know even before this whole DRM-free campaign, there were m4a to mp3 converters. When people would share their m4a music on soulseek I'd just convert them to mp3 and listen to them on my portable media players. I recommend everyone do the same (pirate music, that is.)
- BoneheadFarker, on 10/11/2007, -3/+2@fkr3
Because some people are still at the point where they like music but don't want to pay for crap, don't want to pay the price being asked, don't have it offered to them the way they want it, or don't have it offered to them at all through traditional retailers. So they pirate. Personally, I stopped pirating music a long time ago. I just decided it wasn't worth the time or money anymore (since in my pirating days, I bought a LOT of music because I liked the music and wanted a copy for myself). Most of the music coming out now I don't like anyways, so I don't bother to listen. I wasn't much of an audiophile to begin with. The radio is good enough for me now, mostly because it's free and doesn't require me to think about exactly what songs I want to listen to, so I occasionally listen to some internet radio stations. But traditional radio is 99.9% payola, and internet radio is turning the same way due to lobbying from the RIAA. So I won't get a good variety of classic rock, alternative, trance, ska, or anything else I like. It will be all the highly marketable pablum that CEOs like. I'd rather do without. Some people would rather pirate the stuff. It all depends on what point you've reached... - airship, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1Proprietary player. DRM. No thanks.
- SilverRavage, on 10/11/2007, -1/+0gomusic.ru FOR THE CHEAP!
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -6/+5@yfph
It's hard to distinguish 160+ kbps mp3s on my current portable media players. Frankly I'm just glad the days of the cd player are over. - lntrigue, on 10/11/2007, -1/+0did i read this right that I can backup my entire library to their servers?
this is almost worth rebooting back into XP to install...
then back to linux once its backed up of course
as for the purchased music being unretrievable once its on the ipod... what about viewing hidden files and just viewing details (artist, album, title) so you can tell what you're grabbing?
more technical news article on the subject: http://cooltech.iafrica.com/technews/939161.htm - aluma, on 10/11/2007, -2/+0how does this differ from last.fm and others? buried!!!!!!!!
- radio1mike, on 10/11/2007, -3/+1Hmmm.
Very intriguing. Have to check that site out. - BoneheadFarker, on 10/11/2007, -4/+2This is absolutely the best comment I've ever seen on Digg. Good job.
- outhouseinput, on 10/11/2007, -4/+1Yeah...they need to play to the newbie user more.
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