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- Avarik, on 10/10/2007, -9/+72Trent wins by default.
- penguin5201, on 10/10/2007, -4/+52Trent's the only artist nowadays with a brain, the power, and the willpower to actually do something.
Him and his piggies..... - seestone, on 10/10/2007, -4/+51Reznor is the man. Kanye is a whining little bitch.
- dybisnoles, on 10/10/2007, -1/+48Trent's musical genius is bigger than Kanye West's ego...and that's saying a lot. When you factor in integrity and respect of fans, it simply a TKO. You cannot put Kanye in the same league as Trent. Musicians and egomaniac media driven machines are two totally different things.
- ThePurityOfEvil, on 10/10/2007, -6/+47PS... My husband adds "There is a difference between FAN BASED music sales, and FAD BASED music sales".
- cunnybungler, on 10/10/2007, -1/+33Oh FFS. Here's the article. P.S., Mr Lefsetz, time to get a new server.
Who looks cooler? Kanye West who essentially begged people to buy his album, constantly boasting about his talent and prowess in every medium known to man and then throwing a hissy-fit when he believed he wasn't treated properly by music god MTV, or Trent Reznor who railed that his record company was run by greedy bastards overcharging the public and that his audience should just steal his music in a performance so far away that I'm sure Ms. South Carolina can't find the location on a map.
How many times were you e-mailed that clip of the guy being tasered? You know, the performance art doofus asking John Kerry an endless question. If you're a music fan, probably not as many times as you were e-mailed quotes and clips from Reznor's rant.
Kanye West may have sold a bunch of albums, but if history is our guide, he's only as big as his last hit. Rappers tend not to kill on the road (well, at least not in ticket sales), and just like in the old days, Top Forty doesn't create lasting fans. Sure, Top Forty is the icing on the cake if you happen to cross over, but now almost nobody can cross over. If the Eagles' new album contains a track as good as "Hotel California" IT will not get airplay on Top Forty radio. Because Top Forty radio is a ghetto, comprised of the youth, and not all youth, just those who are susceptible to the inane commercials featured on the stations. When done right, radio is a club. If you want to be a member of the Top Forty club, you're probably thrilled when the mailman delivers a AAA invite to join ITS club. All the cool, all the hooks, have been drained from conventional media in an effort to harvest the most eyeballs. But that paradigm is dead. We live in an era of individuality. How else to explain the Facebook and MySpace pages, the endless YouTube concoctions. The youth have identities. They don't want to be lumped together and labeled. They want to be treated as honest, thinking individuals, respected for their power. And they've got power.
A clip like the Reznor video wouldn't exist if most acts had their way. NO CAMERAS! NO VIDEOS! Why? You're pissed people love you so much that they want a recording, to show to others? You're not a magician, fearful of your tricks being revealed, you're a MUSICIAN, and the more people who want to join your club, the better. And, if you're good, and say interesting things, people will be drawn to you.
50 Cent's record was hampered by his personality. Just like Kanye's was boosted by a fawning press thrilled that they could promote someone not dangerous. What has this got to do with the listening experience? NOTHING! This is a game concocted by desperate labels mired in the twentieth century to assault the populace with their wares, to browbeat them into buying product. Seems to have worked for Kanye's first week. But how about his twentieth week? And, if labels want a piece of that road revenue, was this good for career longevity?
I'm not going to say the old system has no impact. As evidence, we've got the 957,000 albums Kanye moved this week. But I'm more interested in the new system. Where the AUDIENCE picks the stars. And hypes them based on criteria that the performer may not even be aware of. Do you think Mr. Reznor was ranting for the cameras? This was no press conference, this was a GIG! Watching, amidst the crowd response, is a more powerful experience than what happened at the Palms ten days ago. And if you total up the number of people who've seen the various clips, who've read about what Trent said, it doesn't compare to the number of exposures Kanye got. But so many of those impacted by the Kanye hype had no interest in the man and his music. So many were turned off. So many want to see him fail. Whereas those passing the Trent speech fervently on the Web are long-time fans, or newly-minted fans struck by his honesty.
His record company did try to rip off fans in Australia. He spoke out and now its employees hate him. But he's got power too. He's going directly TO THE SAME TARGET AUDIENCE! Who's gonna win? An artist with a fifteen year career or the same people who brought you P2P lawsuits? Trent's enhancing his credibility, he's increasing the longevity of his career, by being what an artist should be, a beacon of truth.
This is a gargantuan story on the Net. Made by those who care, not the mainstream media or paid street teamers. It pays lasting dividends. Trent may not have sold as many records as Kanye, but where it counts, on the road, HE'S the king. - BradGroux, on 10/10/2007, -3/+30Kanye doesn't deserve to even be in the same sentence as Reznor.
- Lunchbox0420, on 10/10/2007, -6/+30Kanye West hates white people.
- SgtCrispy, on 10/10/2007, -6/+28Trent by far.
- kidjay, on 10/10/2007, -2/+23while kanye was busy hopping on the 'hate me the black man' bandwagon when katrina happened, trent was silently (and later quietly, through a concert turned benefit) showing his support for the victims of the town where nothing records was.
i'm no crazy nin fan, but i love trent's music and attitude. he carries himself as well as anyone in the music business ever has.
kanye is an entitled little bitch. - ThePurityOfEvil, on 10/10/2007, -21/+42Oh puh-LEEZ!! Trent comes out on top simply because he has TALENT!! (and he's WAY hot, too!!) w00t!!
Go Cunnybungler! heh heh... - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+20This is Digg, we all know how this is going to end.
- dzlpwr, on 10/10/2007, -2/+18You bastards broke the server.
- nreynolds, on 10/10/2007, -10/+26your husband should domestically abuse you for your use of CAPS.
- SolipsismX, on 10/10/2007, -3/+16Good article, but it won't change anything. I'm sure that most diggers agree with it, but the club Kanye and his labels cater to has more power. I wonder how well this would go over if it were presented in mainstream forums like MTV.... would the 13 year-olds see the merit in what Trent does, or just continue worshiping Kanye?
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -5/+17Kanye West is one of the single most annoying people in the music industry. He is a whining crying little baby who plays the race card at every possible opportunity.
If you don't believe me, please check out this video of Kanye dining on a truckload of sour grapes after losing at the VMAs -- blaming it all on race, as usual. If you can watch the whole thing without vomiting you're a better person than I am: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-631TgPP2s - lostarchitect, on 10/10/2007, -2/+13OMGZ MASTER CHIEF AND TRENT ARE THE SAME PERSON!!!111
- Alright, on 10/10/2007, -1/+12How many Halos is he up to now? I have like 18
- hackiavelli, on 10/10/2007, -2/+12Because his music his better? Because he's not an egomaniac?
- mt066, on 10/10/2007, -2/+12What a surprise that a lot of people on digg don't like Kanye West.
- digitalunit, on 10/10/2007, -0/+10Trent Reznor should have been the actor in Doom, not "The Rock", he even liked the game! :P
- gn0stik, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10What needs to change? Are you actually saying that Kanye has more Clout than trent reznor? He has no pop culture value. NIN music/logo/references have been featured in video games, movies, television, and they've sold way more albums, They are a phenom. What has Kanye done? Clubs are lame.
- Hosalabad, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10Um yeah, Trent.
- buff01, on 10/10/2007, -4/+13People like Kanye West set the black race back every time they pull garbage like that. Keep believing the white man is holding you back, and you will create a self-fulfilling prophecy.
- zaii7, on 10/10/2007, -5/+14Trent Reznor is the Chuck Norris of he music industry!
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9I was with you until I realized you completely ignored the "reply" button of the commenting system.
- Torpov, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8Year Zero was 24, but I think there's a remix album that's Halo 25.
- Phasmorphage, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8The 240 people who dugg this thread, the millions who bought his music, and the millions more than downloaded or just listened to it.
I'd say quite a lot more people than those who care about Kanye - CAD420, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9***** WORDPRESS!
- Synn, on 10/10/2007, -4/+12She sounds thirteen? Yet you have Pika in your username.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -13/+21Buried for the use of "oh puh-LEEZ". You sound like a 13-year old valley girl. Like omg, gag me with a spoon.
- versapak, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7Linking to wordpress articles should be an friggin bannable offense. :|
- LabThug, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6It's Trent Reznor, he doesn't need a reason to win by default.
- thedragon4453, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6Talent?
- hmac, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8Because he has taste?
- bobbknight, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6Wow that article is pretty much an unreadable rant.
But I like any guy that has the ***** to wear leather pants for 40 years. - Skanadian, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Yes, Reznor is going to get extremely pissy when you steal his music. It's not like at a live concert he encouraged fans to steal his music.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -3/+8Cause Kanye is colored.
Diggers do not care about black people. - Zeonix, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6Stop ***** responding to every goddamn post with "WHITE PEOPLE DONT KNOW WHAT HIP HOP IS WTF REZNOR WINS CAUSE HES WHITE YOUR RACIST AND IGNORANT!!" You're a ***** tool and a moron. We know who Kanye West is, most of us have heard his songs whether we wanted to or not, and if most people believe Trent is the better musician/performer/song-writer/everything that Kanye yearns to be, who are you to judge them/us? Stop turning this into a race issue.
- thedragon4453, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Talent?
- sobe86, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6...what? So many moronic sentences in one post, I'm not going to pick it apart.
- antitab, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7"Go ahead and digg me down!"
lolk - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -3/+7hah yeah i was about to say, Trent has been known to throw his arrogance around. It's his arrogance that got him through the downward spiral while his peers were yelling that it would be career suicide to make the album. He gave them all the big ***** You, secluded himself in the Sharon Tate Murder house, Did lots of drugs, and arguably made the best album of the 20th century
- nexus, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4How come no one mentioned how Kanye believes he is the 2nd comming of Jesus Christ?
- rootstyle, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4"Kanye is a HARD WORKER, and he's pissed because he's constantly missing out on awards to white pop tarts. "
Yeah cause black music is SO under represented in America. - BlackRayne, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4The majority of the NIN fan base is over 15....
- smithpg1002, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3@wrzhydr
Easy, people have ***** taste in music. They don't (err, maybe they do these days) give out awards for most sales. Only a gold or platinum from the RIAA. - buff01, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3True. And Imus is a douche, just like Kanye.
- dmpapwor, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3All Kanye does is whine, he gets to do what he loves for a living and make millions of ***** dollars in the process. He should just be satisfied with that.
- mediaphile, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Producing a hip-hop or rap album is both easier and cheaper than producing a rock album. Straight from the mouths recording engineers that works in both arenas.
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