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- HCviolence, on 08/24/2008, -6/+68Jim Morrison understood the value in not selling out. In that sense he was more of a artistic musician then a corporate rock star. It's a shame that more musicians today don't share the commitment towards their craft.
- Chairboy, on 08/24/2008, -1/+29I would like to discuss the concept of 'selling out'. At what threshold do you transition from 'receiving some recognition and money for your work' to 'selling out'? I've been in conversations on this subject where it seems like if the musician receives anything more than the bare minimum to cover their studio apartment and 50% of their bills, they're a "sell out".
- mjf7419, on 08/24/2008, -1/+27How can we have The Doors without Jim?
- duczduczducz, on 08/24/2008, -0/+25Selling out implies they are doing something they didn't want to do, either overtly or covertly, for publicity or money. So for a band that was built around being so anti-establishment, not exactly dark, but not "Hey hey we're the Monkees" good times all the time...for those band members to A) Sell the rights to a song such as Light My Fire to a car company for a quick buck, or B) To play on the road with a new front man, and still call themselves The Doors (which they KNOW cannot happen without the Lizard King himself, legally and realistically)...that would be considered selling out. They were attempting to do pretty much the opposite of what the band's foundation was about, just for money. That is what selling out is. It's like if Green Day were to write an acoustic ballad just to "change things up"...oh wait....
- MrZaiko, on 08/24/2008, -3/+28They did managed to have riders on the storm Remix by snoop Dog, what a Disgrace to an awesome song.
- GJBlizzard, on 08/24/2008, -1/+26Get Val Kilmer?
- SRSco, on 08/24/2008, -1/+21So when can Mike Love quit calling himself "The Beach Boys?" If the Wilson brothers aren't playing with you...you're not even close.
- 68024, on 08/24/2008, -0/+17I was at Jim Morrison's grave last July in Paris and it looks in terrible shape. It's fenced off, it's bare, and there's a guard watching people's every move. A guy tried to climb the fence to put flowers on his grave, and was told off by the guard. I couldn't believe it, it was one of the biggest disappointments of my trip out there, a slap in the face for any Doors fan or Jim Morrison for that matter.
- LagerAndCrisps, on 08/24/2008, -0/+15You can't.
- Connormac44, on 08/24/2008, -5/+18This is good news. Jim Morrison may have been a huge *****, but he was no sellout.
- inactive, on 08/24/2008, -0/+13Here's what selling out looks like:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skBlEbsM0jM - Wreckage, on 08/24/2008, -2/+15It's good to see that at least one band member (John Densmore) is willing stand by his fallen band mate.
- KingHarvest00, on 08/24/2008, -6/+17Sorry but this is retarded. John Densmore stayed with The Doors after Jim died just like the other guys; continued using the name just like the other guys; helped put out two crappy albums, and toured just like the other guys. Why should he get any money from this? Because the other two started using the name without HIM? What a hypocritical douche.
- saggyb, on 08/24/2008, -0/+11Obviously you can never come close to replacing Morrison, but having said that... Ian Astbury is a good vocalist and does just about the best job I think anyone could to emulate Morrison. I saw them on the 21st century tour in 2003 and it was a great show. I don't think it's an insult to Morrison, I see it as more of a tribute, and a chance for fans who were too young to ever see Morrison live get a taste of the experience.
- sggrissom, on 08/24/2008, -0/+10It's Queen + Paul Rodgers. They haven't, and won't, replace Freddie.
- LagerAndCrisps, on 08/24/2008, -1/+10I like to think I wouldn't be a sell out.
But hell, I love money too much. - inactive, on 08/24/2008, -2/+10Densmore didn't even get a long with Morrison that well but he is sticking to his guns which is good to see!
Let the Doors rest in peace a long with Jim Morrison and not let Krieger or Manzarek sell them out. - kinseyincanada, on 08/24/2008, -1/+8well Robby Krieger did write the first verse of Light My Fire and Jim Morrison wrote the second, although Jim Morrison was the spirit behind the band, you cannot deny the talent that Krieger and Manzarek brought to the band.
- AdInventive, on 08/24/2008, -0/+7Actually he kinda does..all he has to go off is history and JM wanted to keep the integrity of the music in tact. The precedent had already been set when he rejected any commercial interests back then.
If JM was still alive today (which would have been a miracle in its own right) he would still be the legend. He would be capable of making music with whomever.
The remaining members failed at that. JM was The Doors. - kingp, on 08/24/2008, -3/+9This is exactly why he needs to come out of hiding (along with Tupac, Biggie, Elvis and Kurt) and re-unite the band. MUSIC NEEDS YOU!
- MrWhite7, on 08/24/2008, -0/+6What the band "wants to do," of course, being dictated by the fans.
- DGAR, on 08/24/2008, -0/+6Yeah, I was there 10 years ago. Guard, no fence. There were a ton of complaints about the graffiti and whatnot. I saw it again in '04 and it was all fenced in. What a shame. Got a rubbing from the first time though...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v500/DGAR4fark/b ...
No Jim, no Doors. - solid12345, on 08/24/2008, -0/+5AchaIemoipas, as a graphic designer I do "whore out" my talents for commercial purposes. But guess what, I have to. It is not my fault that American culture is apathetic and gutter trash. I could paint pretty pictures all I want but nobody gives a *****, art isn't respected by society anymore like it was in the past.
And besides, most "great art" has always been commercial. The Vatican commissioned the majority of Michelangelo's and Leonardo's art, do you call them sell outs?
Also early primitive caveart was graphic design, not personal expression art. They painted pictures of wild animals to show what they hunted and to worship them. - AdInventive, on 08/24/2008, -1/+6Wow...I spent a summer in paris when i was 15...which was 11 years ago and when I visited his grave it was pretty bad..guard yeah...no fence though.
I also saw a 3 hour concert with the 3 remaining doors playing. It was pretty sweet...best I could get seeing as he was dead long before my time = - solid12345, on 08/24/2008, -0/+5What I want to know is when did it become "evil" to want to be rich and famous playing music. Wasn't the point of starting a band for most teenage boys is dreams of getting chicks and trashing hotel rooms? Now if you aspire for financial success you are called a sell out or a RIAA tool.
- marc54, on 08/24/2008, -0/+5DUGG! Excellent decision!
- leamanc, on 08/24/2008, -2/+7It's funny that now Densmore is now arguing that there is no Doors without Morrison, but he (along with the rest of the band) was perfectly content to continue on as The Doors for two albums after Morrison died.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Other_Voices_(1971_al ... for more info on the first of the post-Morrison albums. - RoccoMcTaco, on 08/24/2008, -1/+6Lee, please take you're 30 second itunes jingles and shove them up your robotic ass.
- sfrench, on 08/24/2008, -0/+5I don't care what they call themselves, as long as it sounds like this...
Break on Through
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bztmdF5Px0
RoadHouse Blues
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MJDELjoqYE
Light My Fire
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCZVao-uJiQ - LeeSoong, on 08/24/2008, -0/+4Then he died.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Morrison#Death
Too young. So Sad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slvPMU-7OyI - RoccoMcTaco, on 08/24/2008, -0/+4More likely to agree with terra on this one. Even though Densmore may have been more of a crybaby, he was the one that maintained the integrity.
As much as Manzarek tried maintainting the spirit of Jim through books and such and used to seem like the closest to Jim, he and Robby were the ones who sold out.
So it's Kudos to Densmore and ***** all for Manzarek. - RoccoMcTaco, on 08/24/2008, -1/+5Suck balls, Lee. You're a robot.
- gitrplaya4u, on 08/24/2008, -3/+7Beatles?
- inactive, on 08/24/2008, -1/+5It's not about the fans MrWhite.
Pick your favourite artist.
Now, imagine if that person wrote and composed commercial jingles for Mcdonald's instead of making the music they make.
It's about integrity. The whole point of art is personnal expression. If you make commercial art (meaning you make art based on what your client wants), you are no longer a true artist because it's not yourself you are expressing, you are using your talent to sell mindless crap in exchange of money.
You become the artistic equivalent of any PR guy. - Tooch07, on 08/25/2008, -0/+4Mike Love is the biggest douche in the universe.
- SqlByte, on 08/24/2008, -3/+7I never liked other band members, they didn't share the same spirit like Jim.
- loudintl, on 08/24/2008, -2/+6***** you.
- andreo, on 08/24/2008, -0/+4Is the song a master copy or a cover band? I'm gonna guess a cover band.
- terracottapai, on 08/24/2008, -0/+4Ray Manzarek is a worthless liar who treats his fans like *****.
He fired their longtime manager days before he died of cancer.
That's the kind of guy he is. - esskayexx, on 08/24/2008, -0/+3As a songwriter and professional musician, I feel that if I were to die, and the music I helped create and bring to the world was able to be enjoyed by thousands of new people, brought to them by the people that helped create the music as well, that would be noble, and not selling out. Had Jim been around today but not able to tour with these guys, I'm sure he'd feel the same way.
As long as things are respectfully done and Jim's estate sees proper royalties and such, I don't see this as bad. The point was brought up elsewhere--for those that weren't around in the Doors' hayday, newer generations have nothing to go off of besides a movie and some pretty raw old recordings. Seeing a live show performed with the original guys and someone who has no doubt spent thousands of hours emulating Jim should be flattering, not selling out. - inactive, on 08/24/2008, -1/+4His concerts became boring , "look at me", listen to how miserable I am, depression fests.
- kinseyincanada, on 08/24/2008, -1/+4its because the grave site has had graffiti written all over it and things were stolen from the gravesite, they are just trying to protect the site is all.
- hackiavelli, on 08/25/2008, -0/+3To my knowledge there's nothing a band can do to stop a remix or cover from being made as long as the royalties are paid.
- pinchduck, on 08/24/2008, -4/+7No problem, just tour as srooD ehT
- stormywest, on 08/24/2008, -1/+4Bravo for Densmore. Principle over corporate money.
- inactive, on 08/24/2008, -0/+3@nosamesame
you were actually at one of his concerts ? his last concert was in new orleans december 1970
if you were mid teens you would be 50+ - cmjM67, on 08/24/2008, -1/+4You just can't replace Jim Morrison. The man is just irreplaceable. As much as John disliked, or even hated Jim back when they were together he still has a lot of respect for him.
I'd rather see The Doors just let the band go rather than go on trying to replace the front men over and over because it will never be the same, nor will anyone ever come close to the original. Yeah, it's time to turn out the lights... - JinnRikki, on 08/24/2008, -1/+4Or if you play it on a half-way decent system instead of an I-Plod, you don't have to listen all that closely. Man I hate digital music.
- sg7791, on 08/24/2008, -0/+3He walked off the stage once when introduced as Jim Morrison and the Doors. He never wanted to be that important.
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