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- oliveriarocks, on 02/27/2009, -5/+121The fact that I can record, mix and then also upload and host music is killing them. I can do all this from the kitchen here at the house. I would also think that so many things are eating their margins, that its not really one thing, but a big combo.
The band I am working with has lots of years in the can doing this, so it was fun to be around to see it go on, and engineer/tapeop a good portion of it too.
We recorded 22 songs - there are some backing vocals to be added, and maybe some parts fixed - but the bulk of the work is done. I do need to say that we are using pro gear, so the sound is a lot better than using a 4 track recorder, and we all have some or lots of studio/engineering/producing experience.
So, we took it easy (mostly) and had a good time doing this. In studio time alone (lets call it $50 an hour, not cheap and not expensive studio time at all) this amounts to at least $10,000. Add in a Macke 24x8 board, a Fostex d2424 digital recorder, lots of mics, cables..well, you get the picture. Is it perfect? Naw. But I like the sound and what we got out of it. This is all just archiving the songs by the band so we can write more stuff~
The band can have CDs made up for a couple of bucks each, and sell them for 7-10 bucks at shows. What would I need the industry for? For some additional promotion/distribution maybe.
I am honestly at a point where music IS being sent out for industry folks to give an ear to, but damn if I know what sort of deal I could cut with them AT ALL. Thats something I need to have a long, long talk with the band about.
Ok, now on to p2p > yah, its cool. Best ***** ever to distro your music, and I did that 5 years ago. Make some tunes, let folks hear it, then you can get your band booked and then you can make some coin. Then, if you have enough folks that like ya...hell yes, sell that CD.
Now....am I going to buy that particular box set thats $35? I dont know. I know I bought a King Crimson box set, that was nice. I bet everyone has at least one band they favor over everyone else, to spend a little bit on.
If anyone thats read all this and hasnt read Steve Albini's essay about the music biz, link over to google and read it. Its an eye opener about who really makes the money if a band gets signed. Unless a band can get out there and play night after night, record sales alone really wont earn them a dime. That includes if the sales in question reaches many hundreds of thousands of records (what I would consider 'making it').
To me, a record is really only to get your foot in the door, so you can get out and PLAY. My friends just want to get their asses out there and rock it!
/thx to anyone reading all this rantins'
ps, we offer free tunes too - we not stingy - Ebacherville, on 02/27/2009, -1/+97how to kill the music industry... sue all your customers
- bbliss17, on 02/27/2009, -2/+89The RIAA not embracing technology is killing the music industry.
- Infidelcastr0, on 02/27/2009, -1/+69Not to mention that fact that most of the "Music" they're pushing these days just plain sucks ass.
- oliveriarocks, on 02/27/2009, -2/+611) DRM
2) Some P2P (hey, lets be realistic about it - I am sure everyone could have kicked in $15-20 over the last 10 years and bought ONE CD. Only thing is, I didnt see too many to get. Ive been making music, so :P).
3) Concert tickets (and Ticketmaster) - those cost so much I can imagine some folks getting pissed off at everything and just playing Halo.
4) Album quality - 10+ songs and you only liked one? And it was how much?
5) Not only DRM, but the additional backlash with the Sony rootkit and anything else even remotely like that. Once folks get mad, especially if a CD screws your computer up, how would they forget?
6) Economy going to hell in a handbasket - who has all that extra cash if gas is $4.00? It really nearly was, right?
7) RIAAs assault on users - kids, dead folks and then of course...little old ladies who never used p2p and barely used the net (iirc).
8) Way too many things going on already: sports, TV, Movies, video games, PC games, books...those all eat into a persons CD budget.
9) bands giving away their own stuff - If I promote a band, and you buy a CD or a concert ticket, then yah...the big suits dont get any of that. They didnt earn it.
just some extra thoughts on what might have been factors...not complete by any means. add onto it if you think you have one that fits.. - Emachine, on 02/27/2009, -0/+47The music industry is killing the music industry.
- serif69, on 02/27/2009, -0/+33Dugg by this musician for truth. Playing in front of people is everything in music, including profit. Go out and support your local bands!
- x713, on 02/27/2009, -1/+29"I would have to add DRM in there. There has been such a backlash at DRM in music, movies, and games, that many people resort to their corresponding cracked counterparts. However people get them, whether direct download or file sharing, DRM I believe has put a dent in sales. Their full control of hard media before has really left many of these industries struggling to get that control back. That is how they push us into buying more for less."
- Mackofalltrades, on 02/27/2009, -0/+27with fire.
- Sean42, on 02/27/2009, -0/+27***** homogenized prepackaged crap.
ie britney/boy bands/and the resurgence of bon jovi. - inactive, on 02/27/2009, -0/+25I'd say the rape of radio goes a long way to explaining it. Mark my words - they've squeezed the life out of their greatest advertising medium, and they wonder why they can't sell *****. Doesn't take a ***** genius to figure out what their problem is.
- roxgod666, on 02/27/2009, -1/+23They actually wonder why albums are declining with all these ***** r&b singers who only appeal to teenage black girls? Then there are the pop divas like Katy Perry and Britney Spears who are queens for the sluts. Then there are the trashy rappers like Bow Wow and Soulja Boy who use rhymezone.com for their lyrics. It's not the people's fault for not buying all these ***** albums, it's the ***** artists' fault for producing the ***** albums.
- jjintheuk, on 02/27/2009, -1/+20Awesome article and very true.
Dying Business model
Internet streaming
Other Entertainment - Gaming or Online videos
Plus lots of other things mentioned in the article.
Music industry, the times of setting over inflated prices for music, with no compeition of other formats or means of listening is over - welcome to the 21st Century baby. - serif69, on 02/27/2009, -0/+18Check his username.
I actually found it quite gratifying that he wrote all of that without the intention of plugging anything. - ColPow11, on 02/27/2009, -2/+201) Free, homegrown bands that play at your local.
2) The rise and rise of podcasting. - pumpelly, on 02/27/2009, -1/+16Lack of talent?
- Scopitone, on 02/27/2009, -1/+15Lady Gaga
- DeathToaster, on 02/27/2009, -0/+14Think of everything that goes into making a feature film. Sometimes millions of dollars and hundreds of people might work on a single film. I can go out and buy one of these multi-million dollar films on DVD for about 15 bucks.
Now think of everything that goes into making a music CD. Millions of dollars? Hundreds of people? Probably not. How much does a CD cost these days? Almost as much as a DVD. - jayesanctus, on 02/27/2009, -0/+14***** music is killing the music industry.
- sergiorly, on 02/27/2009, -0/+14Auto-tune.
- ryan83189, on 02/27/2009, -0/+13Lack of quality and the one hit wonder phenomena are killing the music industry, and they created both. Instead of buying a quality album for 15 -20 bucks you buy one MP3 of a popular song from the "album". Today they make 99 cents if they are lucky, it used to be you had to buy the whole album or have someone to borrow it from to rip.
- emailowndme, on 02/27/2009, -0/+13I read all of that, watching and waiting for a name to be dropped...
How can you write all that and not tell me your bands name...I'd actually be interested in checking you out, especially after you mentioned king crimson... - DiggChainey, on 02/27/2009, -0/+13Well when I was 17 I bought by first Album "33". ACDC for those about to rock. I loved that album. I think I payed around 16 bucks for it back then which ment I had to mow miles of lawns. Then I got an 8 track for Christmas one year. I couldn't play records in my car so I bought the album again on 8 track.
When I received a tape deck for my car a few yers later I couldn't play the 8 track in it so I bought the same album again on cassette.
It was around this time that the music industry was screaming about "rights". meaning you had to buy the rights to listen to that album. I had already purchased the "rights" 3 times.
So when I bought the album again the 4th time on CD shouldn't I have only had to pay for the production of the CD and not the "rights" to listen to it again, since I already bought 3 lifetimes worth of "rights" to listen to that music? - PopcornDave, on 02/27/2009, -0/+12That and the facts that the only new talent they seem to be grooming is pre-packaged ***** from American Idol and they keep propping up the old fossil bands from the 70's.
Fleetwood Mac is going on tour again this year and if you're a Visa/Mastercard/American Express card holder you're eligible to get an early chance at getting seating. They've been relevant since when? Are The Stones touring this year? Jethro Tull? Simon and Garfunkel? Are the tours going to be sponsored by Viagra, Calais and Geritol?
The music industry seems to have pretty much given up on the younger generation and is now whining that the baby boomers aren't propping up their bloated corpses hanging on by feeding tubes. Good luck guys. - TalkGibberish, on 02/27/2009, -1/+12Stab it.
Stab it Hard.
With a knife - tekkitan, on 02/27/2009, -0/+10Sure P2P has done some damage to the music industry. I think ultimately things like iTunes and other pay-per-song or monthly fee services where you can download your music legally are putting a BIG hit in the music industry. Why go buy a CD when you can download one or a few songs you like from an album, or even the whole album? Sure some people still like to have the CD, but with mp3 players overtaking CD players (portable CD players were overtaken years ago) there is no reason for most people to buy a CD. I bet if the music industry solely focused on digital sales rather than manufacturing CDs, they would be a lot better off.
Technology is changing constantly and companies need to keep up and change with it, or they will start to die like the music industry. - juniorpadg, on 02/27/2009, -0/+10Lets see.. Back in the day music was promoted by videos shown on MTV. When did MTV quit airing music video's and start showing reality crap and when did music sales start to die??? It kind of goes hand in hand.
- 2Play, on 02/27/2009, -1/+11The RIAA spending more time on litigation against the consumers than trying to get new ideas for music and taking the industry forwards.
- moog, on 02/27/2009, -1/+10This started long before the decline of the global economy.
- juniorpadg, on 02/27/2009, -0/+9why don't they reduce the price of mp3's? why would I pay 15$ for an album on Itunes that I get no liner notes no packaging, they pay no overhead on etc... but 99cents per track on a 13 track album is still 13 dollars?? Get with the times folks... reduce the price of digital music and you would see alot more legal sales.
- oliveriarocks, on 02/27/2009, -0/+9Oh, I want to~ But I shouldn't.
Just listen to the show, its in my profile...it might not be to everyone liking, which is fine. I am just happy to hand this out, and later when I can I want to upload many other bands. I have about 50 more sets..
You guys remember how Pearl Jam would have sets/shows to sell sometimes hours after the concert was done? Thats not hard to do, you just need that big list of gear I mentioned before and the crew to do it. Lots of ways to skin a cat.. - EricAnderton, on 02/27/2009, -0/+9"The fact that I can record, mix and then also upload [...] from the kitchen here at the house."
Not to deflate your awesome and well-reasoned argument, but this is the very first thing I thought of when I read that:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7WNk14Wtcg
Still, it supports your point. This kind of stuff would have been published on some kind of novelty record/CD 15 years ago. Today, I can go out to youtube, search for it and share it with someone I don't even know.
"To me, a record is really only to get your foot in the door, so you can get out and PLAY"
I agree completely. *This* is the new model. Recorded music is for genuine lovers of the material and/or promotional purposes; making it the end-all-be-all is no longer a valid choice. - Mullinator, on 02/27/2009, -0/+9Other sources of entertainment to spend money on. Video games are the CD's and cassets of the 80's and early 90's.
- moog, on 02/27/2009, -0/+8Yes. Broadcast radio is terrible. Force feeding people the sort of ***** that's out there has driven me away from radio and to the internet. I will choose what I want to listen to, you will not decide that for me.
Promote talent and innovation instead of slutty whores and overproduced pop singles. - joshrobot, on 02/27/2009, -1/+9point 4 is very true.
i always buy records at shows and make it my business to buy from small labels in this country (australia).
last 2 recording i have done have been in a friends garage and at a very small studio.
the 4 major labels have nothing to do with supporting local scenes anywhere, which is where most fresh music is made. most people i know are happy to have it this way anyway. - Logrusmage, on 02/27/2009, -0/+8Don't forget T-pain, Akon, and the whole pack of horrible, talentless rappers. We went from Biggie and Black Moon to Lil Wayne and TI.
And no, I don't give a ***** if you like TI or Lil Wayne. Compared to what was being made 10 years ago, they suck rotten testicles. - dhg1848, on 02/27/2009, -0/+7The music industry did it to themselves. I remember the days when BestBuy sold every album (excluding double-disc, etc) for 9.99. That was a fair price. 18 dollars a CD anymore...they are out of their mind....especially when I'm spending over 100 dollars per seat at concert venues and 50 bucks on a shirt and beer. The music industry is nothing more than a marketing tool and when marketing is free on the internet......somebody is gonna' lose.
Has Piracy hurt the music industry...hell no...we have all found artists we never would have w/o it...and we didn't waste money on that POS Nickleback album Viacom/Clear Channel were paid to tell us to run out and buy(by the music industry BTW). We now have the option to judge what is good and what is rubbish.
- LilRabbitFooFoo, on 02/27/2009, -0/+7Precisely. The music industry wants to charge the same pricing model they have for 40 years, even though ALL of their hard costs have dropped through the floor and they're paying jack squat to the actual creators of the content.
They refuse to adapt to the future, to leverage their massive libraries for pennies per song, making up in gross volume what they use to make with a handful of studio project bands.
These studio mastodons are sinking into the tar pits of online distribution and all they can do is moan and thrash around...instead of learning their lesson and climbing out. - inactive, on 02/27/2009, -0/+7Sue all your customers...with fire.
- jjintheuk, on 02/27/2009, -0/+7Well put
- avatarpalin, on 02/27/2009, -0/+6I was looking for the words but sir you nailed it. Every now and then you get a break away group or artist but it will never get to be mainstream. From Radio to TV all they promote is POP and R&B that's bubblegum crap. You chew it for a while and then spit it out.
BTW, Pearl jam releasing an album this year without a record label. - N0DIGGITY, on 02/27/2009, -1/+7I think it hurts some sales of major labels, but also brings lesser known bands to the scene so it does balance out for the most part. The only thing it hurts is major label sales, but only a fraction of their trouble is due to file-sharing.
As can be read in the article, there are things that hurt music sales a lot more than sharing since most people wouldn't buy every cd that they download. I'm not trying to say that getting all your music for free is a good thing though. It is still important to support good bands, now you don't have to pay to support bad ones. - robmilmel, on 02/27/2009, -1/+7I'd have to agree...radio-as in terrestrial radio-has basically taken a dump and is now just an advertising medium first, then music second. I used to love radio, but now listen almost exclusively to online stations, shout/icecast, etc.
Funny thing is, I record shoutcast stations and put them on my mp3 players because there are no decent offline stations left. - Tbyrd073, on 02/27/2009, -0/+6I was going to say ***** music but these work too.
- Yage2006, on 02/27/2009, -1/+7I think the music industry never understood the backlash principle.
I and many people I know use to buy CD's have stopped now and will never buy accept from iND labels that have nothing to do with RIAA and friends.
Until they backoff, Stop trampling over peoples privacy rights, stop trying to censor the internet, Stop sending out ***** dmca takedown notices.
I could go on and on but I would be happy with just that. - jjones20, on 02/27/2009, -1/+6The only people that can say whether P2P is killing the music industry are Radiohead and Nine Inch Nails.
- fury420, on 02/27/2009, -0/+5piracy of course, those hijackings off the coast of Somalia have MASSIVE global impacts!
- Khast, on 02/27/2009, -1/+6Lack of Quality. I notice a lot of artists just throwing stuff out. (Of course the music industry mandates a certain number of albums in a given time frame.) Art isn't something you can put a timeline on, you need to let it happen at it's own pace...otherwise you get crap.
- Edge00, on 02/27/2009, -0/+5Isn't it possible that people just aren't interested in buying the goods they are selling? I used to buy at least one new cd a month, but now I have maybe bought 2 cd's over the course of the last 4 years.
When you make your product defective by design (DRM), you don't make music worth listening to, and you attack your own customers; these factors coupled with the rise of free/local music, video games and their reluctance to embrace new technology means they are going to lose revenue. End of Story.
I say this as someone who refused to just download what I wanted, and didn't want to pay for what they were selling, so I pretty much stopped listening to music. - CrazedLeper, on 02/27/2009, -0/+5'fraid I'm going to have to agree with the RIAA on where their profits are going--don't get me wrong, I don't give a damn. For decades the music industry ripped off more artists than they even signed and now they want someone to come to their aid? I laugh upon thee.
The plain fact is that the MP3 freed music from those little plastic discs that we had to buy to get the music. Then the internet solved all their distribution problems by perfectly matching supply and demand.
You'd think the record industry would be happy for their artists since they now have maximum exposure to their target market. -
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