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- zeldafan, on 10/12/2007, -10/+216No, the RIAA has declared ripping CDs for an iPod or any other reason is illegal and improper use.
Thanks diggnation! - soogy, on 10/12/2007, -27/+132Oh, FINALLY! A reason to impeach Bush!
... No, but seriously, who cares? We all do it, and it's still fair use, the RIAA doesn't make laws. - zeldafan, on 10/12/2007, -6/+83http://digg.com/apple/RIAA_Says_Ripping_CDs_to_Your_iPod_is_NOT_Fair_Use
Under normal circumstances I'd say it's ***** and something that wouldn't be enforced, but with the RIAA, George Dubbya will probably be fined a few thousand. Tis the world we life in. - dandyhighwayman, on 10/12/2007, -12/+36Somebody really needs to find out if he owns all of those CDs. Then we got him for sure!
- soogy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+25ImTheDarkSyde "i was under the impression it was copyright infringement, not against the law at all, just sue-able"
No, copyright infringement is a different story all-together. Copying a CD you legally purchased to MP3 format for listening to on your iPod is protected by Fair Use. - p9s50W5k4GUD2c6, on 10/12/2007, -5/+26Questionable music downloads, Mr. President. The RIAA is setting their sites on you?
...... First thing you've done right in quite a while!
PR suggestion to get your ratings up in the polls: "President of United States Sues RIAA!" - plnegative1, on 10/12/2007, -6/+27Thank you EVERYONE for pulling "facts" to back up your arguments straight out of your asses, but this is what the RIAA says on their website about ripping music that you own for yourself. DIRECT QUOTE:
"If you choose to take your own CDs and make copies for yourself on your computer or portable music player, that's great. It's your music and we want you to enjoy it at home, at work, in the car and on the jogging trail. "
REFERENCE TO BACK THIS UP:
http://www.riaa.com/issues/ask/default.asp#stand - Pottersquash, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21This isnt about being Anti-Bush, its about being anti-RIAA's inane rules for fair use. If the President can not even enjoy and use the music he has paid for how can anyone? And according to the RIAA Bush is breakingthe law by doing these. OF COURSE he ripped a CD (or had a staffer or daughter do it) and OF COURSE he uses iTunes (although it be hilarous if he uses allofmp3.com). And OF COURSE he should not be bothered by the whiny voice of the RIAA who see falling music sales and think its due to illegal downloads AND NOT cause the fact that it takes me 10 min of radio surfing to find a decent song to listen to followed by another 10 min search.
- p9s50W5k4GUD2c6, on 10/12/2007, -6/+24Terrorists >< RIAA
Is there a diff? - msaeger, on 10/12/2007, -4/+21The RIAA saying ripping CDs is not fair use doesn't make it illegal. They can say anything they want.
- zeldafan, on 10/12/2007, -10/+27@Nathan
True, but they'll still call it illegal and sue for it.
Off topic:
"Bush: And if you don't like it, you have got your little advance button. It's pretty high-tech stuff."
There's our president at work folks. - SP33DFR34K, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17Its funny that the RIAA still has NOT updated their stance saying that ripping music from your CDs is illegal. Check out their stance on MP3, on their *OFFICAL* website.
"This is one of those urban myths like alligators in the toilet. MP3 is just a technology and the technology itself never did anything wrong! There are lots of legal MP3s from great artists on many, many online sites. The problem is that some people use MP3 to take one copy of an album and make that copy available on the Internet for hundreds of thousands of people. That's not fair. If you choose to take your own CDs and make copies for yourself on your computer or portable music player, that's great. It's your music and we want you to enjoy it at home, at work, in the car and on the jogging trail. But the fact that technology exists to enable unlimited Internet distribution of music copies doesn't make it right. "
http://www.riaa.com/issues/ask/default.asp#stand
Now if their site says that is their stand on it, I'm going by it. Until the RIAA says otherwise, I mean offically like in a press release or other formal ways, ripping your own CDs is perfectly legal. - kazsymonds, on 10/12/2007, -9/+25I thought u were allowed to rip songs, its only sharing the songs that is illegal?
When i buy a song ill make 1000000 copies if i like, as long as i dont share them with someone who hasnt bought the song, thats how the law should be.
I am really hating RIAA right now. - Monkeman, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17uh, you people are dumb
the RIAA is not going to sue Bush, the whole reason they've made so many lawsuits is that they're fairly skilled at targeting people without the income to support themselves in a court battle - Urusai, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18He'd just get Gonzales to issue a brief stating that the President has war-time CD-ripping authority.
- dbpigeon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12...and by the RIAAs interpratation of fair use, Microsoft, and tons of others with different products, should be sued for encouraging illegal activities by providing CD ripping using Windows Media Player, and on the Xbox 360.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13"OMFG... WHO ***** CARES!?"
Whoa there, settle down. The story isn't about "looking for ***** to case bush on". You're looking at this the wrong way. He's the goddamn *president*. He's supposed to set the example for us to follow. If even *he* can't help but break this little law, how can the RIAA possibly expect the average citizen to do so? - Vryz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Some people seem to be taking this as an attack on President Bush, and you're totally missing the point. The idea is that even the President is casually breaking the laws as defined by the RIAA, therefore, there must be something wrong with the laws.
- Enendar, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13Maybe this could open the eyes of the President and other people in high political standings to how insane some of this stuff is.
- aplusplus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13We all know who's really behind this...
Terrorists. - jer2eydevil88, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gb7iOvS7Akc
Since every other mirror is dead or slow try this to view it. - Vryz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Is ripping a CD illegal? The RIAA is arguing that space-shifting content, or format shifting, are not considered non-infringing uses, even when you are talking about making copies of your own CDs. To the extent that ripping a CD is one of those actions, it would be considered infringing. As this is part of the DMCA however, I believe that the CD would need to be copy-protected for ripping it to be illegal, but I'm not sure. In any case, even if holding down shift is all it takes to defeat the copyprotection, that action is considered to be against the law (it doesn't matter if you own the CD or even have the rights to the material on the CD, that's why the DMCA is a stupid law).
"Nor does the fact that permission to make a copy in particular circumstances is often or even routinely granted, necessarily establish that the copying is a fair use when the copyright owner withholds that authorization. In this regard, the statement attributed to counsel for copyright owners in the MGM v. Grokster case is simply a statement about authorization, not about fair use." - richardyork, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12So it's automatic anti-Bush zealotry, or is the submitter challenging some dribble spewed by the RIAA months ago? Turn off your partisan reality distortion field and consider the story from the latter angle for a moment.
You can't download the Beatles' music legallly from any music service, and even if you could, the iPod doesn't support Microsoft's plays for sure DRM'd WMA format, the format used by all services not iTunes. Despite this, I am absolutely confident Fair Use rights would hold up in any RIAA dispute against ripping a CD for use in an iPod or other music player. - highwebl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7pinegative
Actully I remember at the time everyone thought it was funny for the RIAA to say that specifically because their website contradicted it.
If my memory is right. - Pottersquash, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8No, but if we can get some pub going about this, could make people see how insane the current situation is and halt the RIAA's fear tactics.
- fatalfury, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8The RIAA is stupid. There basically saying with the no ripping cds thing: "you can buy this shirt, but you have to wear it exactly as we tell you."
- AJRiddle, on 10/12/2007, -6/+12Hey, I hate Bush just as much as the next liberal, but hey, thumbs up to him for liking the Beatles. :)
- Handcannons, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6************
the RIAA is not going to sue Bush, the whole reason they've made so many lawsuits is that they're fairly skilled at targeting people without the income to support themselves in a court battle
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That is such a sad but true statement. Not that Bush won't get sued, but that giant corps are most likely to target those least able to defend themselves. I wonder how many school yard bullies grow up to be corporate lawyers? - Ayavaron, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8@Soogie
Actually, I think the point of this Digging is to underscore the silliness of the RIAA's policies by showing that even the president does it.
Also, in the president's defense, he may have purchased them from AllOfMP3 which is sorta-kinda-quasi-legal to the RIAA I think... - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8" ...thumbs up to him for liking the Beatles."
If only he had listened to the lyrics. Especially when they talk about war and peace. - Yndisfagur, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I wish someone would go burn the mother ***** down (the RIAA HQ). It pisses me off.
- Micrll, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Just imagine, if holding shift is against the DMCA what about people who turn off auto-play completly wouldn't that make the liable for multiple offiences.
I completly agree the DMCA needs to go away. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Whatever the case, he's fine, because RIAA only likes to sue young kids and single mothers.
- stark23x, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6"He's supposed to set the example for us to follow. If even *he* can't help but break this little law"
IT'S. NOT. A. LAW. The RIAA has simply declared, absent of ANY law or legal precedent, that ripping CDs you own to your own iPod is illegal behavior.
THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT TRUE. - p9s50W5k4GUD2c6, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9"Wubbie"? Ohh there's got to be a story on THAT name!
Can we say CAPS OFF?
As for Bush-bashing, I think the RIAA is the main Digg prey this evening. - screensnot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Why don't you just NOT buy the shirt?
I realize that some of you think that you absolutely NEED to have the latest cool song.
But, to get that song legally, means that you either have to pay much more than you think its worth, then pay again each time you want it in a different format (or on a different player). Or, you can choose to get the song illegally, and leave yourself open to lawsuits and prosecution.
Why is it that no one seems to recognize the third option; DON'T GET THE SONG! If everyone would get together on this option, it would not be long before the music industry would have to give in to the consumer.
In nearly every other industry the consumer sets the rules. But, in the Music and Film industry, the major consumers are young people. Apparently, young people are not wise enough yet to know that it's their money that funds the RIAA and MPAA. If you want them to shut down, stop handing them money. And stop downloading illegally, so they can't come take your money either. - Bootes, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Can that many of you not understand the point of this? The point is not that the president if breaking the law. The point is that the RIAA sucks. The RIAA says that cd ripping is illegal and the only way the president could have gotten the Beatles on his iPod is by ripping a CD.
- IcanFLY, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Also, those sources use DRM that wont play on Ipod's because Apple is stubborn.
- Micrll, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7ummm did you bother to click purchase for any of them they are all unavailable form mp3.com
Beatles are not legal to download from anysite, except mabye allofmp3.com - Herc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4to pinegative:
Here you go, a link to an EFF article "RIAA Says Ripping CDs to Your iPod is NOT Fair Use":
http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/archives/004409.php
They even comment on the hypocrisy of the statement on their website. - p9s50W5k4GUD2c6, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4"you can buy this shirt, but you have to wear it exactly as we tell you"
That's a good analogy. X'cept you forgot to add:
- you have to wear it exactly WHEN we tell you
- and you have to wear it exactly WHERE we tell you
- and, technically, don't EVER forget you really didn't "buy" it at all.
Fail to abide by OUR terms, and we'll sue the shirt off your backs!
Yup - that's a damn good analogy!
Every day we tolerate their hegemony over law-abiding consumers is one day too many. DRM related statutes need to be re-written and/or judicially challenged REDUNDANTLY until the RIAA is dissolved. - tavisjohn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3If it was you, me, or average joe public then the RIAA would have started the legal stuff RIGHT AWAY!
However if you are famious/the president, then they will not do a damn thing. If I were to talk agenst the RIAA who cares, however if you go after the pres, then he may not sign anything that the RIAA wants, he may also work tward making fair use a part of the copyright code.. (I doubt that he would do it...)
If a famous person speaks about the evil's of the RIAA then MANY MANY MANY people will listen and can rally behind that.
So the pres is going to be safe. - DiggerTheDog, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4The stench of weenies trolling is strong today.
- aekdbbop, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3well.. he can navigate that ipod better than my parents.. or anyone else i know that age... so good for him at least trying to keep up....
- ErrandboyOfDoom, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Technically, he could have had the songs ripped in a country with obligatory licensing, subsidized file sharing, or clearer fair use rules. Then he could have imported them for personal use.
So if they're not illegal, Bush just uses allofmp3.com. :) - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Where the hell is an article that talks about the RIAA sueing bush, all I get is a page that has nothing and mirrors a video of him on fox news. Can someone post the article where it talks about the RIAA going after him.
- Killerah, on 10/12/2007, -9/+12"RIAA is trying to take my music away, therefore, they are also in the axis of evil"
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5"...updated their stance saying that ripping music from your CDs is illegal."
What about ripping the music from a CD that has an anti-copy protection (or protections) in place? So it's ok to cicrumvent that technology? But isn't that against the DMCA? So if the RIAA willfully forces you to break the law in order to do something which they (now) say is legal......
isn't that entrapment? ;p - Vryz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2>>IT IS NOT COPY RIGHT INFRINGEMENT TO MAKE COPIES OF MUSIC YOU OWN TO YOUR OWN CDS/PLAYERS
Correct. It's NOT copyright infringement. It's not illegal to copy the content on a CD, it's illegal to CIRCUMVENT THE COPY PROTECTION (ie, push 'shift' while installing) in order to copy the content on a CD. This is an important distinction! - Salva, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2completly of topic, but this is where i go when bush gets on my nerves
http://www.planetdan.net/pics/misc/georgie.htm -
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