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- Azimuth1, on 10/11/2007, -47/+999"Ever Feel Guilty About Pirating Music?"
Nope. - Flavicon, on 10/11/2007, -55/+358Kinda funny, but not practical. What about all the folks who help in recording the music you're downloading?
- 0xbaadf00d, on 10/11/2007, -7/+304If you download a lot of music from an artist, go to their show or buy a shirt from their website. They will get much more money in their pocket from that than buying their whole discography.
- tidu, on 10/11/2007, -10/+230I think "sending money" could also include going to concerts and buying merch. (from them, not Hot Topic)
- Fluxx, on 10/11/2007, -7/+191That's not really the problem. The problem is that the music industry is record label and business focused, not artist and quality focused. In a future, more perfect world, artists will be in control on their own careers. All the functionality of a record company: startup capital, professional recording staff & equipment, marketing, manufacturing - all these competitive advantages record companies have are slowly being eroded away by technology and human will power. All the recording engineers, sound guys, CD label designers, etc. - they'll all be there, they'll just be working for the artist and not the record label.
Artists will still need help to make and sell their music, they just won't have to use a record company anymore. Or there are other alternatives like TuneShout (http://www.tuneshout.com) or AimeStreet (http://www.aimestreet.com) where artists who have recorded their songs can sell them and offer them up in a democratized promotional marketplace. As Digg is to news, those sites are to music. They're still in their infancy, but they'll grow. Just need some tender love and some time... - speaker219, on 10/11/2007, -16/+154Mirror-
http://charlie.untitled1.ca/mirrors/consciencecleared.jpg - zyl0x, on 10/11/2007, -12/+113With programs like Garageband and things like the Internet, who the ***** needs recording companies? They're a dying breed.
- xJudahx, on 10/11/2007, -5/+95Send it to me and I'll take care of it for you.
- DarQraven, on 10/11/2007, -9/+81"As Digg is to news, those sites are to music"
You mean that only tracks that were mixed using linux, have a go at Bush, or feature the word 'iPhone' make the top ten? - tearor, on 10/11/2007, -5/+71To relieve my guilt, I kill a kitten every time I download illegal music.
- libertao, on 10/11/2007, -4/+67Therefore buying Beatles music = supporting child molestation. You're not pro-child-molestation ARE YOU?
- juicebag, on 10/11/2007, -9/+72Oooh! You have a crystal ball! Can I see it?
- Nysul, on 10/11/2007, -7/+66"Kinda funny, but not practical. What about all the folks who help in recording the music you're downloading?"
They are not payed royalties anyways so it doesn't matter. - alexf, on 10/11/2007, -11/+58Will this hold up in a court of law?
Defendant: But I sent him money!
Judge: Oh, okay. - spyrochaete, on 10/11/2007, -3/+45Music execs don't have a conscience.
- skyfire1, on 10/11/2007, -2/+36It's not sad.
- RadicalEdward, on 10/11/2007, -4/+37um genious the people who are recording the ***** and all that are paid before they even record it. and guess who has to pay the studio to record the band? THE ARTIST DOES. the artists deserve as much of a cut as they can get.
- spyrochaete, on 10/11/2007, -3/+36A few weeks ago I bought a CD from DJ Amber in San Francisco. I'd visited her site (http://iamthedj.com/) previously, downloaded some free full-length mixes, and totally fell in love with the mix "Live With Friends and Family" so I bought the CD for $10 including shipping. Here's what arrived in the mail less than a week later:
http://www.demodulated.com/crap/djamber.jpg
I was friggin ecstatic when I saw this. Her passion for her art so obviously exceeds her desire to profit from her work. This was evident since she also gives the same music away for free, but she gave me a little bonus to reward me for choosing to support her monetarily.
This is the future of the music biz. Nothing will stop the sharing of music on the internet, and thus music is now completely worthless. The only choice is to embrace it by giving your music away for free and offering a compelling supporting product for purchase.
For $10 this musician has won my respect and word-of-mouth advertising forever. I'm going to blog about her and show off her CD to everyone I know. Unlike 99.9% of music being sold, I am PROUD to own this album.
p.s., name the games on my posters and win a cookie :D - pifko1987, on 10/11/2007, -4/+37Anyone know John Lennon's PO box #?
- helikopter, on 10/11/2007, -3/+35they don't deserve royalties. they deserve a one time fee for recording, producing, mixing, whatever their job is. look at steve albini, for example (if you know who he is). his stance as a producer is that he records bands. that's it. he doesn't even care if he's credited on the album. he charges a reasonable fee and is happy with it.
- darkened, on 10/11/2007, -1/+33That'd be a good thing because that means independent labels would step up to fill the gap and become a bigger part of the global music industry which is what needs to happen.
- gordonm, on 10/11/2007, -2/+32Oh, ***** you. Paying money for music I enjoy kills little children in Iraq?
That's really stretching, *****. - z3row0rm, on 10/11/2007, -7/+37@samsong
Merch?! That is the standard saying for "Merchandise" at any rock show. Have you not been to a show lately or do you have no idea what your talking about? - dcbrown07, on 10/11/2007, -2/+31Or go to a show since thats where artists make the most money
- Beaver6813, on 10/11/2007, -2/+30No,
Faithfully,
Beaver6813 - zengonzo, on 10/11/2007, -0/+27Just a court of conscience.
- berfmurret, on 10/11/2007, -8/+35most of the folks i listen to generally record their own music... so that solves that... well for some..
- Stegg, on 10/11/2007, -4/+30Just in case the server goes down: http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1124/553038108_1eeac247a8_o.jpg
- f4nt0m4s, on 10/11/2007, -5/+31I'm an avid supporter of bands with mailing lists to buy music directly of their site. A few months ago I discovered LA's Oedipus, a funky prog-rock group on a smaller label. I paid maybe 15 bucks through paypal, received the albums a few weeks later, and knew that I A) supported the band and B) got the music legit. Independent Labels and smaller bands generally have a system like that, and I try my best to support them.
As far as bands like the Beatles go? ***** paying for that *****. First off, my 51 year old dad has bought the Beatles collection twice, once in vinyl and once again in compact disc. I feel that the bloodline double-payment is sufficient enough. Second, the only Beatle I give a rats ass about anymore, Ringo, is probably happily retired with bajillions of dollars. McCartney is a douche nowadays. And...who is profiting from me buying Beatles' albums? Probably not the Beatles.
Major labels can eat it. - xJudahx, on 10/11/2007, -3/+27Michael Jackson owns the rights to a good portion of the Beatles catalogue.
- Wootery, on 10/11/2007, -2/+26@BM
Your comment is rather silly, as is your name.
Also, signing your comments is annoying,
wootery - Cerpin_Taxt, on 10/11/2007, -0/+22If only I could download money as well...
- elsJake, on 10/11/2007, -1/+22Find their website , ask for address , send.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -10/+29@sacherjj
Why would you even listen to music by artists who didn't write their own songs?
It's all terrible terrible terrible *****. If someone can't write their own songs, they shouldn't be playing music. - Radan, on 10/11/2007, -3/+20May I ask why speaker219 got buried for posting a working mirror?
- oriellylies, on 10/11/2007, -1/+17Sounds like you need to expand the avenues in which you discover music.
- RichOfTheJungle, on 10/11/2007, -0/+14@spyrochaete
Another World (Out Of This World in the US) and Full Throttle.
Keep your damn cookie. - djbelieve, on 10/11/2007, -4/+18@it5five:
"Why would you even listen to music by artists who didn't write their own songs?
It's all terrible terrible terrible *****. If someone can't write their own songs, they shouldn't be playing music."
What about jazz musicians? Or turntablists and DJs? They often don't play or write their own music, but that doesn't make the music terrible. - chrisc262, on 10/11/2007, -1/+15how about if you buy a used CD
then the artist makes $0 on that
feel guilty? - Disjunto, on 10/11/2007, -0/+13doesn't work with physical property very well :P
- Devrdander, on 10/11/2007, -1/+14This also doesn't take into consideration that most bands record contracts are actually a loan. The sales of their albums/tracks goes to the RIAA to pay for studio time etc, and if they don't pay back the debt it comes out of their pockets or negotiated into their next contract to be paid off with the next album and so forth and so on. They are more of a loan shark than a manager. When a local band I knew got signed to MGM they got a few million dollar contract, but that money went to instruments recording etc and they had to pay it back. Only the large name artists can demand payment and not a loan. Learn the industry before you try and stick it to the man, they aren't stupid they protect themselves one way or another.
The current business model goes as follows:
Find a local band with a good following and decent stage presence
Sign the band and produce an album, throw them on tour
Band succeeds? Use the legal mumbojumbo in the contract to tie them into more albums
Band fails? Drop them on their asses a year or two latter back where they use to be with nothing but failed dreams.
Repeat excessively till you find something people will listen to. - evilTak, on 10/11/2007, -0/+12*Everyone* should get more money than they do for their work. Except professional athletes, politicians, and douchebag executives.
- DiggerPlease, on 10/11/2007, -2/+13Record producers are a greedy breed. I support musicians by going to their shows if I really want to support them.
- xJudahx, on 10/11/2007, -2/+13Where is the logic? I didn't see it! Was that the part where you called him a *****?
- evilTak, on 10/11/2007, -0/+11First you're going to have to explain to them how you're downloading the CD.
- Wootery, on 10/11/2007, -1/+12@oderdigg
"Have you ever stopped to think "what if he's black and a muslim" .. wtf is silly about that?"
Using BlackMuslim as a name feels somewhat "look at me, I'm a minority". I'm not bothered about his religion or skin colour, and he doesn't need to advertise it in his name.
@BM
Seriously dude, lose the signature. - LogicBomB, on 10/11/2007, -10/+20The RIAA is evil, and not everything is perfect but regardless of what you guys say, the profit chain needs to be maintained.
The difference between a great garage band you've never heard of and a great popular band that everyone knows is about a few million dollars that was ante'd up by the middle men for marketing, printing, distribution, organizing the tours, processing the music, etc...
Yes, by the time it makes it back to the band it seems like they made the least and all the lawsuits by the middle men seem entirely evil but it's a simple fact that very few bands would be where they are without that evil.
I'm not saying pirating is bad or not to do it. I'm not your mother. Just think before jumping on the anti-middle men bandwagon. - AnthonyC, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10I've resorted to purchasing directly from the artist at shows. The artist usually makes in the neighborhood of $5 on a $10 cd and the sales are still recorded. Purchasing the same album at a store would only put a buck in the artist's pocket, at most. iTunes is no different.
Merch is a killer way to support an artist. Buy a T-Shirt. The markup for them is usually 6 or 7 bucks minimum.
If you want to keep indie stores open, buy used CDs there. They make the most money off those.
People I know in the industry are split on the issue of downloading having a negative effect. There are good arguments for both sides. I have no quams with downloading something to try it out, but if I find myself compelled to listen to it more, then I will buy it the next time the artist comes through. illegal? probably. Immoral? I can live with myself. - Radionesiac, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10Seriously. Shut the ***** up.
- TheCosmicFool, on 10/11/2007, -2/+11I read Trent Reznor's commentary about it on digg a little while back.
http://digg.com/music/It_s_official_Nine_Inch_Nails_fans_are_the_music_industries_Milk_Cows
Very interesting stuff, he put his own money into the flashy packaging and they raised the price of the CD and blamed the fancy packaging.
I have been looking for an opportunity to send him and several other bands I like 15 each for the CDs I've DLed over the years.
Trent, if you can hear me, make a link on nin.com for this! -
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