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- Phyltre, on 10/12/2007, -0/+34What in those questions is justifying piracy?
And who gave your your current definition of what "piracy" is?
Who is the RIAA, really, and why are they doing what they are doing?
You might want to answer these for yourself. - EiderDuck, on 10/12/2007, -0/+28Unfortunately you can't embarrass those people. Any entertainment industry representive who's asked one of those questions will simply shrug it off or reply with canned talking points, just like politicians.
- Eeqmcsq, on 10/12/2007, -0/+24I would like to see a 10th question about their removing YouTube videos of people dancing to their music in the background. Are they really afraid people are going to watch the amateur video instead of buying an actual CD?
- MicrowavedH2o, on 10/12/2007, -2/+24My Favorite:
"Is it legal for me to skip the commercials when I play back time-shifted TV recordings on my TiVo or other PVR? How is this different than getting up and going to the bathroom?"
... or just changing the channel... - threepio, on 10/12/2007, -6/+22The official RIAA/MPAA answer:
"Er... um... well, you see... I... LOOK OVER THERE, A THREE HEADED MONKEY!!"
The folks at the RIAA/MPAA are the second largest bunch of nitwits I've ever seen. - p1mpjuice, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13All the scenarios he EFF provided were completely legitamate uses, unless you truly believe Congress knows whats best for you and how to handle technology.
- saifatlast, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12"Businesses exist to make money. They will do whatever they can to increase their profits - period. This is to be expected and it's the right thing for them to do in our society."
You are absolutely right. The problem is, the government is supposed to step in and protect our personal freedom when businesses overstep their bounds. This doesn't work too well when the government is in the hands of business. - jo42, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Answers to all of the above:
"We're a bunch of money grubbing Olde White Men. How dare you stop us from sucking as much money from the rest of the world as we can?" - Dosquatch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I don't often, but when I do, it's to see if something is worth spending money on. I'll hear a song that's pretty decent, so I'll grab a few other tracks by the same artist to see if they're really worth my $20 or if the track is just a fluke. If they're worth it, I'll drop my cash. If they're not, I'll drop the tracks. I don't see this as infringement, I see it as being an informed consumer.
I mean, I can rent a movie to see if it's decent. I can test-drive a car. I can play with demo units in a store before I buy an appliance. I can sit on the sofa before I buy it. But if I buy a CD and it sucks, I have no recourse. I cannot return it, all I can do is exchange it as defective for another copy of the same album, or sell it for $2 to a used record store, neither of which really appeals to me. - IHaveIssues, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7And if we had an option to bypass them we would probably do that too.
Next question.... - masamunecyrus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Rather, I think the official RIAA repsonse will be,
"Cease and desist!" - Wildthing, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8It'd be even better if before every question you said "ARRRRRR, MATEY!"
- Noelix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Truly well thought out questions. Truly worth a read everyone who enjoys digital entertainment.
- astrotrain, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Now need to get Stuttering John to ask these at the next MPAA or RIAA convention.
These should be asked actually by anyone who attends movie openings or record releases.
And if you really got the ... then ask any music artists if they have received the
money yet which the RIAA collected from the fans. - vhtrading, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5This is the best, straight-to-the-jugular piece that covers piracy, the RIAA, and the MPAA that I've read in months. It's also the best thing I've seen on Digg in quite a while. Every U.S. politician and everyone employed by the **AA's should be given a copy of these questions. If I could give this 100 diggs, I would. Bravo!
- invader, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7i thought their universal response was:
"piracy is going to destroy the [insert you industry here] industry!" - SubFuze, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Until recently there weren't legitimate options, but as of May 1st, you can go to Napster.com and listen to any song you want for free (ad supported) up to 5 times. You need to sign up for an account, but they don't require a credit card or any form of payment (unless you decide to subscribe). Granted the audio quality isn't what you would get on a P2P network but is more than sufficient for previewing songs/checking out new artists.
(Disclosure- I was recently hired by Napster though I have yet to start my employment with them) - afrazkhan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4
Okay I'll have a go;
"You can increase your gross profit by doing this instead.....": Stop being anti-fair use. Track sharing sells CDs. If you doubt it, look at profits before and after P2P. The majority of P2P users download a song on recommendation, then if they like it they go out and buy the album it came from.
To be honest I don't think that's what we need to convince them of though. It's not to do with profits, as any executive (no matter how much of an executive i.e. stupid, they are can see) P2P has helped sell more CDs, and therefore increased profit. What they are actually worried about is losing power, and that's something I can't convince them won't happen.
On a slightly off note, here's my spin on one of their inaccurate ads in the UK; buying legitimately procured music, funds the R.I.A. of America ;) - Eeqmcsq, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@gregharmon
I understand your point, but one could say that a manager shouldn't expect to care for his employees, only that their job gets done. So theoretically, the employees should be understandable if the manager acts like an ass to them, as long as their job is done. But in reality, that makes for more grumpy employees who won't hesitate to steal from the company, or say bad things about their manager, or quit. Replace manager with RIAA/MPAA and employees with customers.
In the end, what the RIAA/MPAA is definitely dumb. - SubFuze, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Sounds like you need to read up on First-sale doctrine:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine - borninda818, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3one and two are very good
- philz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2threepio
+1 for monkey island reference :-) - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Will a music group hate you if you download a cd from them and mail them a check for $10 and a letter saying that you loved their music?
I think that $10 would be a good price, because you don't get the pressed cd or the case or the liners with the download. - winampman2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2A lot of those questions are heavily biased and won't be taken seriously. (e.g., "Why is your industry so hostile to new technologies?") If you want them to take you seriously, make the questions more neutral. Just pointing that out. I do not support the RIAA in any way.
- ReaperUnreal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I vote that these questions be asked by Jon Stewart to the chairman of the RIAA or MPAA or some senator that sides with them. Now that would be the most entertaining couple of minutes since... well since the same show a few days ago.
Seriously though, I like the question about going to the bathroom, and also the one about the lawsuit money. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3The RIAA represents businesses. Businesses exist to make money. They will do whatever they can to increase their profits - period. This is to be expected and it's the right thing for them to do in our society.
If you want them to stop what they're doing then come up with an argument that goes like this:
"You can increase your gross profit by doing this instead....."
Everyone can complain all they want but nothing will change until it's blatantly less profitable for the RIAA to change it's ways.
This is life in America. Is it perfect? No. Is it better than the majority of other places in the world? I don't know because I've never been there but from what I've heard; I think it is and so I'm not moving out of the contry anytime soon.
That's my 2 cents. - notfaded1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The main question from the article I want answered is why all this lawsuit money gained from individuals with little resources are being kept by the RIAA. I thought they were doing all this because the musicians and artists weren't getting paid. The fact that money won in these lawsuits isn't even being given back to the artists after railroading a few individuals is an absolute travesty! I guess we all know now that none of this was really about paying the artists and more about power and control.
- CellBlock, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It's quite refreshing to see something that's pro-fair use and/or anti-DRM that doesn't just spout off about how awesome it is to steal content and how totally cool you are because you don't and won't pay for anything, ever.
This, here, is what needs to be done. The labels/studios need to see that their methods to reduce piracy are also reducing sales, or at least, reducing satisfaction.
Support the EFF, not piracy. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3I'm not defending them but they're doing what 99.9 percent of anyone else would do which is lookng out for their best interest; not ours. They're not a part of government so I don't see why we should expect them to care about us. We should expect them to care about the money in our wallets and bank accounts and nothing else. The same as we should expect from any other business.
I don't think expecting anything different is wrong. It's just dumb. - dgendreau, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1siobudcire:
You mean the way copyrights and patents were originally designed?
The time limits on these things were only recently pushed back virtually indefinitely by big business. Its a slap in the face of the public domain but few people seem to care. - Twango, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1There's something happening, but Mr. Jones don't know what it is.
- Lynx1234567890, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I think the RIAA/MPAA needs to define what they are selling.
Is my copy of a song a CD only a License to listen to it on CD player?
I think the RIAA/MPAA needs to state they are only selling you a limited License. Part of that License is that you only listen to the CD on a CD player - not ripe it and listen to it as a MP3. Although you could buy a MP3 License.
Instead of trying to sell you ownership (of a CD) they should be saying they are selling you License. Not much difference in the end but the distinction would go along way in supporting the business model they are trying to impose. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I will never EVER buying any music or movies until they treat their consumer better. That's my point of view and I am sticking to it.
- BWhaler, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1These people are a joke.
Gotta love how they fought the remote control for TV's with tooth and nail. - chrisbachmann, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I rather like number 2 on the list
The RIAA has sued over 20,000 music fans for file sharing, who have on average paid a $3,750 settlement. That's over $75,000,000. Has any money collected from your lawsuits gone to pay actual artists? Where's all that money going?
The others aren't my style of questioning. But this is fairly good. It gets at the heart of the typical RIAA argument that piracy is hurting the artists. - siobudcire, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The problem with The RIAA is that when they talk about copyrighted material. They don’t care about "artists royalties" they are thinking "market share".
The main problem with copyrighted material is that the copyright goes on forever ( or can be renewed endlessly) Maybe they should be copyrighted for a maximum of 30 years and then it becomes public domain. - jeet404, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1How dare you say that just because you pirate majority of the people on digg do? That's the sturdiest thing I ever heard. Sorry buddy but your comment is just bunch of *****.
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- rasterbator, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1EFF: Your unbelieveable. Oohhhhh!
- lukeev, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1@Phyltre
good points. - titlesaysitall, on 10/12/2007, -7/+2Whoa
- rasterbator, on 10/12/2007, -12/+5The RIAA has much in common with the American Criminal Liberties Union.
- kmh1000, on 10/12/2007, -15/+4Tough questions... but here's another one:
why are you downloading music/movies if you know it's illegal?
As evil as the RIAA is, what's your justification? The answers - music is overpriced, movies are overpriced, the artists doesn't see the money, etc. Well here's news for you - a lot of things are overpriced, and the people who make the stuff never see the cash. Ask the people in SouthEast Asia who make the crap you buy at Walmart. - missflibbles, on 10/12/2007, -17/+2threepio, nice job. No, the scaaaary mansion.
Who are the biggest nitwits? - BigHeadOne, on 10/12/2007, -45/+6The EFF always try to justify piracy. I use BT and pirate stuff like most DIGG users, but I am aware it is wrong and illegal. Its not really defensible. I can see how the music and movie industries will be forced to change the way they deliver media, because of people who steal, like myself. But I don't think trying to take some moral high ground is the answer.
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