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- Dipster, on 01/14/2008, -1/+27My library makes CDs and DVDs available. Does this mean my local library is actually a criminal distribution offender?
- undetected, on 01/14/2008, -0/+21Best of luck to EFF, I hope they succeed. However, with the way things are going, I don't know how successful they'll be. Most of the reports I see (also on ars) say that lawmakers are thinking of making things even more in favor of copyright holders, such as removing the safe harbor provision of DMCA (http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071213-time ...
- codyman, on 01/14/2008, -0/+20I leave some CDs in my car (which are also on my computer). If someone breaks in and takes them, does that mean that since I made them available to the thief, I am liable as well?
Sane Answer: No
RIAA Answer: May Ye Burn at The Stake - gl77, on 03/31/2008, -3/+16***** the RIAA, support the Pirate Bay!
- nonsequitor, on 01/14/2008, -1/+11Yes
- nonsequitor, on 01/14/2008, -0/+10For some reason the RIAA believes that they have a right to our money. This is insane. I have never supported the music industry nor the artists, having only bought a couple dozens CDs total in my lifetime.
Did the RIAA think they could keep up the profits forever? When they switched from cassettes to CDs and charged the consumer for the R&D promising lower future prices, they must have gotten used to those insane profits.
Why am I going to pay $13 for a CD that cost 13 cents to press? I don't. You shouldn't either.
Why the hell are people letting them prop up a failed business model with legal action? Do not buy RIAA music, ever. They just might go away and stop throwing around all the special interests money creating new laws we do not need nor want. - pigfister, on 01/14/2008, -0/+7The BPI Are: SONY, UNIVERSAL, WARNER GROUP, EMI.
The RIAA Soundexchange Are: SONY, UNIVERSAL, WARNER GROUP, EMI.
The MPAA Are: SONY, UNIVERSAL, WARNER GROUP, DISNEY, PARAMOUNT, FOX. - Firehed, on 01/14/2008, -1/+8Well to be fair, a more accurate comparison would be you leaving your windows open and a thief burns a copy then returns the original.
- jhuebel, on 01/14/2008, -0/+6It rhymes and I agree wholeheartedly. Kudos.
- Twinked, on 01/14/2008, -1/+6Also since you are now not in possession of the original CDs you need to delete the files off your computer.
- chicoer2001, on 01/14/2008, -1/+6Although attempted copyright infringement isn't yet illegal, it could be in the future. Rep. Steve Chabot (R-OH) introduced the Intellectual Property Enhanced Criminal Enforcement Act of 2007 last summer. The bill, which was backed by the Justice Department, would allow some prosecutions for "attempted infringement." That bill, fortunately, has gone nowhere. Yet.
You'd think the Justice Department would have better things to care about. Like terrorism. - leefnaspleaf, on 01/14/2008, -0/+4I wish I had a list of every politician who receives funding from the RIAA, Clearchannel, or a major label.
- LuckyASN, on 01/14/2008, -0/+4If only all thiefs were that considerate.
- Travelsonic, on 01/14/2008, -0/+4What is the point of backing up CDs legally under fair use if you can't even use it when the time comes?
- Dipster, on 01/14/2008, -0/+4Libraries also provide photocopy machines. While it doesn't do any good to photocopy a cd or dvd, you still get to make copies of other kinds of content.
When copier machines first came into existence, book publishers were all up in arms the same way that media publishers are in now. But nobody seems to make a fuss about copiers at the library. - ArthurSucks, on 01/14/2008, -0/+3But the library is attempting to allow you to copy said discs.
- EntropyFan, on 01/14/2008, -1/+4We really need to stop this. The library has several licensed and paid for copies. When you check 1 out, you are denying immediate access to the content to the other patrons. When you return it, you no longer have immediate access, and may have to wait to access the content while another patron has immediate access.
That is the way a lending system works. It is legal. It is nothing like making copies. It is nothing like what we are talking about here. - enri, on 01/14/2008, -0/+3What if you make a fair-use copy of the CD for playing in your car and the copy is stolen? If both you and the thief coinsidentally listen to the CD/copy at the same time who is the copyright infringer?
- yuriko474, on 01/14/2008, -0/+2um didn't the RIAA infringe copyright by downloading the songs illegally from Kazaar? They should be punished too.. that's like having the police steal something from your house only to have them sue you for having them steal it cos you left your door open. are they going to sue themselves next?
- Dragular, on 01/14/2008, -0/+2It's not even $13. I stopped in an FYE Saturday and they're charging $18-21. I could understand paying more now than previously if the technology had improved but, unless I'm missing something entirely, it hasn't and should be cheaper to buy a CD now than it was in the 90's.
Hell, they had some old discs in there that were probably produced, manufactured, and sent to the warehouses during the 90's, but were still selling them at the $18-21 rate. If they could explain that one to me in a manner that made sense, I might consider it. Otherwise, it's just raping my wallet, and I'll gladly continue torrenting. - bdbr, on 01/14/2008, -0/+1Don't just say it, do it. Don't buy RIAA music, don't share RIAA music, don't listen to RIAA music. If you really want to stick it to them, deny them the thing that keeps them in existence - your money. They can't make a dime from suing you if you don't share their music.
- bdbr, on 01/14/2008, -0/+1I wish the EFF the best of luck, but this has already been tested in court - the Jaimee Thomas lawsuit last fall - so there is a legal precedence that must now be overruled. It was cited in the legal brief for this case.
What people have to understand when taking these to court is that the RIAA can't lose. If their case isn't going well, they simply drop the case (as they've done with the ludicrous cases like suing dead people and grandmothers). If your case is truly cut-and-dried like that, by all means challenge it. But going to trial when the you really did share music is stupid and financially dangerous, and only serves to whittle away at everyone's rights by setting bad legal precedences. - enri, on 01/14/2008, -0/+1Would you accuse a store owner of theft if someone steals something from a table sitting outside the store's front door? They enabled the thief by "making available" the merchandise in an public space (even though it was still on their private property).
I know stealing is not copyright infringement (despite the RIAA's efforts to suggest otherwise) but their argument is misplaced and trite. - EntropyFan, on 01/17/2008, -0/+1because it costs you money to get an inferior copy.
Just like recording to VHS or tape.
This is really different then perfect, digital reproductions at no cost to the person doing the copying... - magus_melchior, on 01/15/2008, -0/+1Well, according to the content distributors, yes.
- obliviousfool, on 01/15/2008, -0/+1The library should allow patrons to view discs only while being supervised by a RIAA trained librarian wearing those little white gloves. CDs and DVDs should be locked away from public view where they won't trigger unauthorized thoughts and memories about their content.
- AngryChris, on 01/15/2008, -0/+1Actually, his library is making available copyrighted works to be used in private performances without compensating content creators. While I support the library doing this, I can't imagine it's legal.
- sophiaperennis, on 01/14/2008, -0/+1The 'making available' rhetoric is a cop-out, so they don't actually have to prove that actual downloads of, and the frequency of the download, have taken place. And than they come up with some great $9250 a song number. I think they consult the Wizard of Oz.
- pigfister, on 01/14/2008, -0/+1The BPI Are: SONY, UNIVERSAL, WARNER GROUP, EMI.
The RIAA Soundexchange Are: SONY, UNIVERSAL, WARNER GROUP, EMI.
The MPAA Are: SONY, UNIVERSAL, WARNER GROUP, DISNEY, PARAMOUNT, FOX. - DeliveryGuy, on 01/14/2008, -0/+0If the making available claim were to hold up...that would mean every library in the country would be guilty of copyright infringement. This would apply to both written works as well as audio works. The Library makes all sorts of copy-written material available to "borrow", just like a peer to peer network.
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