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- musikman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Same as recording radio, right? or..uhh.. isn't the same as recording w/ a tivo? I mean, as long as you're not sharing it..
- nib0rd00h, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3larryni, WTF are you talking about? quality is just like the ripping internet station quality is. for example, chronix radio - 128kbps, xtc london - 160kbps.
- lukas88, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I've done some research previously, and this is absolutely legal. The RIAA did try unsuccessfully to make it illegal. Basically, it is the same thing as recording the radio onto a cassette tape. Or recording a TV show onto a TiVo.
It's legal, but is it useful? For some people, yes. The quality has everything to do with the stations. 128 and 160 kbps quality stations are easy to find, but are not enough quality for some people. Also, some stations use a delay in the "metadata" to make sure your mp3s will not be cut nicely. You will sometimes get bits and pieces of other songs on the intro or the outro. On some stations this doesn't occur, but that is very rare. Another complaint is that the ID3 tags are not complete, they only contain the artist and song title. So forget it if you wanna use it on a mp3 player.
So if the quality isn't pristine, and the intros/outros are messed up, what is it good for? Not for collecting mp3s. However, I use it for discovering new artists. I slap a couple stations in to download while I sleep, and when I get up in the morning I have thousands of neatly organized new music to browse. I like obscure indie rock, so I usually use SomaFM. Most of it I delete, but every once in a while I find a total gem of a song. If the song didn't cut right, or the quality sucks, I go about getting myself another copy of it. From legit or illegit sources, its up to you and your conscience. But I find station ripper and similer software to be extremely helpful in finding great music that I would not have found any other way. - jakejarvis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"What makes this 'legal'? Ripping from radio is just as illegal."
Ripping from radio is just as LEGAL as recording a cable show on your VCR, as long as it's for personal use and you don't share. - dBLiSS, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"What makes this 'legal'? Ripping from radio is just as illegal."
Actully, ripping from the radio is perfectly legal, just like copying a song from your friend is legal. It's all under fair use. If downloading music was illegal then the justice dept would be after a lot of people. But incase you haven't noticed, it's a civil matter, that's why people are getting sued. Unfortuntely you can be sued for perfectly legal (ie. not criminal) things. - bosmonster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2What makes this 'legal'? Ripping from radio is just as illegal.
- fohat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Home Audio Recording Act on Wikipedia
- Ignathius, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2i've never found any of these to be very reliable. they work great, sure. but there's some issues to deal with
1. finding a streaming station that streams higher than 96kbps
2. getting the entire song. they usually either start the recording early (picking up bits of the previous song) and then cut the song off short, or vice versa (starting the recording late, and picking up bits of the begening of the next song). - kstagg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2WOw. What a find - ok, so it may not be 100% perfect (songs running into each other from time to time), but 95% is damned good enough for me.
- tominator1983, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Sure. You can rip streams to mp3 using winamp. But can you rip 20 at the same time?
- ratajik, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2> I agree. The quality is crap
Just depends on the quality the station is broadcasting in - I never go below 128, and prefer 192.
> Slowly, this service disappears under the light of P2P networks and torrents
One of the reasons I like internet radio, and use a tool like StationRipper, is that it allows you to discover music. I listen to stuff to today that I would have never KNOW to go search for on a P2P network. Once I find stuff I really like, I usually buy it, to get a 100% clean copy.
> If you listen to dance music, you're screwed. Most house, techno, DnB stations play mixes which count as one long mp3...they don't get chopped into individual songs.
This latest version will record to one file (can record like 1 hour, save, record another hour, etc.)
> its old as hell
The info isn't - this was released this week. Like any other technology that people like, it keeps growing, changing, and (I would hope) improving.
> Beware of adware/spyware with this. Its why I stopped using it.
StationRipper never has, nor ever will have, Adware or Spyware. I HATE software that does it, and won't ever do it. My goal for making anything off of it is to be able to pay hosting costs (which just went up with the SQL back end the new version is using for searching and history), and enough to occasionally upgrade dev tools. I have no desire to drop to that level - bundling that cr*p is one of the nastiest things software makers do to their users. - FourDoor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I used streamripper as well in the past. Great program btw. :D
Anyone here have any recomendations on ripping direct streams from radio station websites? The ones that aren't listed on shoutcast... - blasphemer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1you should have the freedom to record what you want on what you want it on... The law should only come in if your trying to make a profit off of it like selling it or mass distributing it... Man the RIAA and MPAA are brainwashing everyone..
- MinnesotaTwins, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I have used something like this called Tunebite. http://www.tunebite.com
It sucks, and honestly i'd rather pay 99 cents for songs I want. - fohat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1For those people who are under the impression that recording audio off the Internet for personal use is "illegal", please do yourself a favor and read up on the Home Audio Recording Act. Here is a link to the Wiki for your perusal. Recording music for personal use is LEGAL. Don't let those RIAA bastards try to fool you.
- freonchill, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1how is this legal ?
i wonder how long till the RIAA comes after them and they disappear like dvd_decrypter did when the mpaa came a calling. - pipster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I Just downloaded it so i havnt really tried it yet, it sounds ok i guess, but i will see
- Charlotte_Web, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Unless you're listening to a classical station, there's always going to be overlap at the start and end of every song.
- spaceman0, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"That he not busy being born
Is busy dying." Bob dylan.
Looks like we try to come up with a way to kill something as soon as its born. The silver bullet is already in the making:
here's the digg post:
http://digg.com/technology/House_introduces_mandatory_radio-crippling_law
and the original article:
http://www.boingboing.net/2006/03/02/house_introduces_man.html
and for the really impatient and cant wait to get rid of The Man.
http://www.dumpmike.com/ - GingerDog, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1i'll answer my own question with : http://streamripper.sourceforge.net/
- schrags, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yeah i used this like over a year ago. Not bad
- chubbyduck, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1For the Mac:
RadioLover has been around for YEARS-
http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/19547 - cathode, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1bleah. the guy is a genious though... google ads, album purchasing with his id attached.... it's a money maker
- nattybohman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"You can download thousands of songs a day legally by...oh. PAYING FOR THEM...
... just a thought.... "
Apparently this guy does.
Personally, if I could buy songs legally for a decent price, I would. 99 cents per song is WAY too much. Especially when they include their DRM that limits what I can do with them.
I'd go for 20 - 25 cents with no drm. For now it's "allofmp3" for me. - llbbl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It is leagal to rip songs off internet radio. It is called time shifting. Just like you record shows with your DVR or making backup copies of your DVD's is okay too.
I find the quality to be acceptable. Usually when I have ripped songs off of storebought cd's I rarely went above 240 kbps and this quality is not much less than that. Frankly if you are doing to play back at work or in the car than the quality is just fine.
I think 128kbs is the equalvent of cd quality. I can't tell much difference at bitrates higher than that besides pitch and to solve that you just crank up the volume a bit. - jasqwerty, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yah guys, this one is actually completely legal. No different from recording a radio or tv station with a tape deck or VCR.
- garg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Recording Radio or TV Stations is illegal?
- recursive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I have been getting 99% of my music this way for years.
For all the complaints of low bitrates/incomplete files/advertising/blah blah blah, you just need to find a better station. There are stations out there broadcasting at 192 and up. Obviously, there are lower bit rate stations out there too, so it is up to you to choose which one to use.
> Stream rippers are selfish bastards. They take up slots that other people could be using to listen, and they also drive up our TLH, meaning we have to pay more for licensing.
@richardiscool: I am honestly curious about this. I stream rip, and it does take up a slot, but do you not consider me a listener? I consider myself more of a listener than non-rippers. A non-ripper can only listen to the broadcast track once at the time it is broadcast. Personally, I get much more use out of them by saving them to replay later. I don't understand the comment about taking up a slot, since everyone who is using a station is taking up a slot. (right?) I would think station operators would prefer streamrippers since per hour of music listened to, they require less bandwidth since they save songs for later listening. If I were streamripping and then just deleting the tracks without listening, I would understand, but I would argue I'm getting more use out of them this way. Is your sentiment widely shared among internet broadcasters? I don't want to piss anyone off, but it honestly makes zero sense to me. What if I listen while streamripping? How am I being selfish?
I hope you see this and get a chance to reply, because I am quite curious about this. - kapowaz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Great! Now the RIAA will have another target to line up in their legal crosshairs.... if this has repercussions for legal net radio stations that I listen to then I'll be most annoyed.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yes, this is quite awesome. When will the RIAA shut ShoutCast down?
I haven't ripped anything yet, but WOW, just WOW! - blasphemer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1For anybody complaining that this isn't illegal... not much difference between this and the old days when you could record radio to a tape cassette in your radio...
- sirmasterboy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Well its illegal to downlaod TV shows but not illegal to record them. So as it is illegal to download music why would itbe illegal to record. as some have stated. it isnt on demand. You can also just listen to http://www.pandora.com/ which is 128k and plug ur speaker into ur input and record it. You would have to split them manually tho but it would be easy looking at a waveform because thers silence between tracks. u could probably set it up to split at silences if u really wanted to.
and yes... streamripper for winamp is much better imo. it splits up files and fills in all the info and there are plenty of 192kbit and up stations with good music. - Eric4, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I agree. The quality is crap. I rip my CDs in WAV format, but if you don't mind the quality, it looks pretty cool.
- Falcorian, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Legal eh? Ummm, how so?
I mean, I love music as much as the next guy, but lets not kid ourselves. - JingJang, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I'm a Streamripper user also - I love it.
Here are a few ideas:
If you want higher quality streams go to www.shoutcast.com then sort by bitrate - you'll find quite a few choices in the 192k and up categories. You can use mp3Trim to fix any over lap (www.mp3trim.com), but honestly, I have found that most of the time it's not a big deal (I'm an in-the-car listener also). Mp3Trim will even crop the end of the mp3 with a fade in (or the beginning with a fade-in) for you if you want.
As a previous poster already commented, this IS legal under The Audio Home Recording Act. It has also been deemed Fair Use in two separate cases - but I'm sorry I have those links at home not here at work. (Might be able to look it up).
Also - a number of people are saying it's old technology - which is true - but it's still a fantastic way to add a bunch of music to your collection - and as another poster mentioned - find new music.
You can also do this with a soundcard that recognizes the metadata now being broadcast over the air on local stations (the same metadata used to display what artist is currently playing on you in dash receiver - if you have one like that).
For the record - I have bought 5 cd's in the last 6 months that I would have never known about had it not been from this technology. I bought them at used CD stores as well. Granted they were all cheap ($3-4) a piece but still I wouldn't have bought them otherwise. There are plenty of individual songs that I like well enough and I'd pay 20-25 cent for them - especially if better that 1/2 went to the ARTIST. Finally, that's another thing to like about online radio - not all of them are "owned" by the same folks producing the music so instead of the LABEL promoting new artists - the ARTIST'S promote themselves! Now - lets have some more internet radio that allows for feedback so we can hear more from the artists we like - then, have the same internet radio allow for instant 25 cent downloads of lossless recordings from those artists - of which 15 cents goes right back to the artist.
Where do I sign up? - blasphemer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0oops...meant complaining that this is illegal...
- t3hX, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0> Would this tool work with Last.fm ?
Yeah, if you get lastfmproxy (python script that proxies last.fm to a MP3 stream). - Hoogie7Dowser, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0How the heck do you search?
- mojaam, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Reading the headline got me all excited to find out it was this old program that I been using ages ago. The fact it gotten to the homepage means a higher chance RIAA will make it their duty to shut it down soon.
- snazzymaniac, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Nice application, but the songs still cut either at the beginning or end. However, it's free and I can record and sort songs. Digg+
- Keoll, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Ok first off.....technically this IS legal as long as it's for your own personal use.....There have already been a number of failed cases over VCR's and straight up tape recorders to back this up.....The second you take those recordings and start passing them around is when you hit "illegal" status......A radio station cannot just come out and condone your "taping" of their show because that violates the licensing of the station....Now....If you're STUPID enough to run around the internet blabbing how you just ripped 10 hours worth of music off some station and offer some of those songs to others......You're on your own when the feds come knocking on your door.
- ubermorph, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Pretty weak, keep it up and all of the internet radio stations will either disappear or begin to play tons of ads..
- 1821, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0http://www.iwebtool.com/tools/
- GRIMREAPER187, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0i like ripcast
- fohat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I haven't finished my coffee. It's Audio Home Recording Act, and this better work en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_Home_Recording_Act
- GLSmyth, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Who cares? Support independent artists by listening to podcasts.
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