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- seven5, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4This is lame, you sooooo have the story wrong. They did this to show windows itunes users how to get their music into itunes. And uhhh its a pretty obvious hack.
They then go on to get all their fans to lobby apple to support WMA DRM. If they REALLY didn't want DRM, they'd get their fans to lobby their label to not have DRM'd cds, not for apple to include a new format. Lame... - archer75, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Thier method introduces quality loss to the songs. Just use jhymn to strip the copy protection from iTunes music with no quality loss. Or better yet, just use allofmp3.com
- uglyredhonda, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2DMB has a label, but their music is distributed by Sony/BMG. The copy protection scheme was Sony's idea. One of the Foo Fighters claims that they weren't consulted before Sony put copy protection on their latest album.
The description for this story is inaccurate. DMB posting the workaround was SONY'S idea. Yes, Sony's idea. Sony's been getting complaints out the ass about people not being able to export the copy protected discs into iTunes. Initially, they blamed Apple for not "working with them" to make their copy protection compatible (which is a smokescreen - Apple has no obligation to support someone else's copy protection), then they relented and issued the workaround. - B111, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2seven5 is right, the title is misleading, DMB is encouraging fans to ask Apple to support the DRM on the CD, not taking a stand against DRM. DMB is advocating easier DRM (talk about an oxymoron), not no-DRM.
Apple doesn't want you to buy the CD, they want you to buy the album on iTMS, with their DRM. There's no incentive to support this DRM. Utlimately, all this DRM fighting will kill it off (or least one would hope). - Polaris, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Wait, wait, wait I thought the record industry just did some fancy astroturfing last week and ASSURED everyone that *no one* had a problem with copy restricted CD's and sales of the discs were going along great. So, why is DMB weakening the industry line--this makes things appear positively shaky.
***** all. - AdamCo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Grip ripped the DMB album fine.
- Otto, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2This is lame as hell. Their stupid method involves:
1) Let CD Install crappy DRM
2) Take Protected WMA's, connect to internet, download license to play them
3) Burn them to an Audio CD
4) Rip the Audio CD using iTunes
If you want to import your DMB CD's into iTunes, all you have to do is to NOT allow the CD to autorun and thus install the lame-ass DRM. Then iTunes can rip it just fine.
In other words, HOLD SHIFT WHEN INSERTING CD.
Or better yet, tell DMB to not include the ***** DRM software on their CD in the first place. Dave, nobody wants ***** sounding WMA copies of the same tracks which are already on the CD in a perfectly good audio format!
Dumb, dumb, dumb. - krakelohm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The problem is not apple and protected cd's. The problem is protected cd's are not true music cd's. Blame the record company not Apple.
- goosedotnu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1er, hold Shift
- ripper632, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'm really glad they recognize the problem instead of ignoring it.
- mu-sly, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Further to what derekknight is saying above - I don't believe illegally downloading the music really helps the situation, since it gives them all the ammo to go "see, we told you people are rampantly pirating our stuff".
What we *really* need to demonstrate is that the independent labels who don't DRM their output are making absolutely shedloads of cash, while the major labels with their stupid restrictive DRM are the only ones losing out. Take that money you were going to spend on some mainstream CD, and for the same amount of dough, buy two independent CDs direct from the labels, or even direct from the artists.
Try not to pirate stuff too much - although really, making a copy of a CD for a friend is fair use in my book, just as it always was with tapes in the past. Moreover though, just get more explorative with your tastes in music and support the independent labels, because there's a helluva lot of good independent music (of all genres) out there, just waiting to be listened too.
What could be cooler than listening to loads of great music that none of your friends have even heard of, and being the one to introducing them to it? Get them to do the same (listen to loads of stuff you haven't heard of, introducing you to it) and suddenly everybody's musical experience gets a whole lot more diverse and rewarding.
F#ck the mainstream - what did they ever give us anyway!? (OK, I'm gonna shut up now!) - gronne, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Good point seven.
- uglyredhonda, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1RCA is owned by Sony/BMG.
- Hexxagonal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I actually have that Foo Fighters Cd, I inserted it into my computer and it crashed it. I was pissed, I thought I bought a defective cd initially.
- mu-sly, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The correct answer is: don't buy the stupid "protected" CD in the first place.
Or, if you do buy it, take it back and get a refund, because it's not a proper audio CD. Don't mention your computer, just say you have an older CD player that won't play it... the store isn't going to call you a liar, or if they do, stick to your guns and ask to see the manager.
The only way we can stop this "protected" CD ***** is to not buy it, or in the very least, to buy it and return it as defective product.
Personally, I still buy CDs, but only from artists I *really* like, and direct if possible. I don't own any DRM CDs, and will never own any. If it gets to the point where I can't buy any non-DRM music, then it's very simple, I won't buy any. I don't download it illegally either - these days about 80% of the stuff I listen to is independent netlabel music.
But then one of my longterm projects (as a musician myself) is to establish a netlabel anyway, because the mainstream is so full of crap deals for artists that it's lost all appeal anyway. I wouldn't sign a deal with a major label for *ANY* amount of money, because they just f#ck you in the ass repeatedly. - JeffS, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I used iTunes on my PC to rip the DualDisc version of his last CD. Hold the shift key or disable autoplay completely and you get around this crap.
- galfridus73, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yeah... you got this wrong. DMB is basically saying that they want to be in iTunes and on your iPod and, to do that, these are the steps you have to go through. However, they go on to say, it would be much easier if Apple would support DRM'd WMA tracks. That is, of course, utter *****. DMB should be making a stand against all DRM, not encouraging the proliferation of MS's solution (arguably the worst out there).
Otto hit the nail on the head: Don't even let the CD autorun and rip the tracks from the full-length tracks, not the WMA copies. - EPeters, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"They then go on to get all their fans to lobby apple to support WMA DRM"
That's not what the article says at all!! What they want is for apple to update itunes to fix the ripping of CDs with DRM. I don't know IF that's possible, but that's what they want. - trex, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I've yet to see a single commenter get the story right.
In a nutshell, the music industry is mad at Apple for not liscencing FairPlay DRM so that users can convert their music into a protected form that will play on iTunes.
Apple either wants to drive more people to iTunes or they are opposed to DRMed CDs. But, Sony et want DRM on cds. So they went ahead, hoping any complaints about iPod compatibility would go to Apple. The message on DMB's site was composed by suncomm, the DRM company. Take a look at comment #19 here: http://www.tuaw.com/2005/06/14/on-buying-the-new-foo-fighters-album-from-the-itms/
Personally, if a CD doesn't work on my iPod, I would refrain from buying CDs and blame the record label. I mean, all these other CDs worked right? So it can't be my iPod... - funderbolt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1gregd, according to Amazon.com "Stand Up" was published by RCA
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0008D5HMK/qid=1124223970/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-1138831-2698416?v=glance&s=music&n=507846
They could be liable under the DMCA for publishing how to circumvent copy protection. - chuckf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0" Once the application has been launched and the End User License Agreement has been accepted"
Well first of all, what are you agreeing to in this license? Since I refuse to purchase this or any other album with DRM I don't know what's in it. From my understanding, it installs a program to your computer controlling the playback and usage of the disc on your computer.
Second of all, again from my understanding, Sony has been giving out this info to any who have asked, but not encouraging the quesions. Now it seems that they are blaming Apple for not providing a means via iTunes or the iPod software to play the WMA protected files.
I don't think that DMB is encouraging or particularly cares about this issue unless it is affecting thier CD sales. And for me, this is the first CD I have not purchased of thiers, only due to the DRM. The tracks that I have heard I've liked. But I will not buy the album.
The record labels have every right to take whatever action they deem fit to protect thier copyrights. But when I feel that they are treating me, thier customer, as a potential criminal just because I buy thier item, I'm not going to purchase thier item.
@gregd I believe they do own thier label, but it's Sony that that ultimately owns and distributes the CDs and adds on the DRM. - Tweekster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Dave didnt have a choice in the matter if he wants to be allowed to sell his CD's.
sucks for the artist doesnt it.
atleast he supports p2p (through his live music which he does control) - Darth_tater, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0if you like DRM then buy the cd but you wont be able to rip the tracks! so when you put the CD in the CD ROM just hold SHIFT while the CD is put in the CD ROM drive and the drm becomes useless...it works by installing a driver that garbles the track if you try to rip it using music riping software...
the solution to this driver is to look in the hardware manager and disable it if you have already let it install (if the EULA pops up then its been installed!) or just hold shift while the Cd is inserted into the computer and uses winamp or what ever to rip the tracks...
this is if you buy the CD to support your favorite bands
or you could just use p2p or sharazaa or bit torrent as the files on those networks are already free of DRM!!! but then there is the whole piracry thing that you might want to avoid - rmaz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I believe RCA owns DMB.
- jdryyz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1"dave mattews what? only old people listen to that *****."
So your idea of "old" must be anyone over 12. - briang, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0if the band didn't want DRM they wouldn't have it on their CDs.
this Digg title is awfully misleading.
Some a lot of people [myself included] pre-ordered the "CD" form DMB without knowing that it would infect RCAs virus of DRM onto windows computers.
in response to some things written here..
DMB does NOT support trading their live music _electronicly_. Read their taping policy. It strictly forbids it.
the DRM used on their latest CD installs a file just by inserting the disc, not even running the DRM installation.
Once the DRM is "uninstalled" files remain on the computer preventing some hardware from working properly. - briang, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0and additionally there is no CD audio logo on the Album in Question
- stilesja, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2This story is all wrong. DMB *LOVES* DRM so much that they put their ***** music on ***** copy protected CD's. But then they realized *OOPS* all our fans write us saying "Dear DMB, I cannot put your song on my iPod. You are stupid hosers." DMB thinks for a moment and realized they have picked the wrong "DRM horse" because now their crappy music won't play on the ipods of people who use a ***** Operating System (windows). So they put this lame burn-cd and re-import instruction on their website in an attempt by the retard who has to read email to the DMB website.
Long story short. DMB *loves* DRM. DMB *hates* people bitching about their ipod to them. DMB is *lame*. - linuxbox, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I love Linux. Have I said that before?
- goosedotnu, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0We need to spread the word about holding when inserting the CD so that Windows Autoplay doesn't start up the DRM executable. If you do that, you can treat it as a normal CD.
- Brightside, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Apparently DMB isn't familiar with the work of DVD Jon.
- shade73, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Didn't the guy get sued for saying hold the shift key down?? what ever happened with that?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0allofmp3.com
is ILLEGAL, DUMBASS - davidd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0allofmp3.com isn't illegal...
- heavyness, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0first off, do bands make more money when their cds are sold online [as opposed to off the shelf]? last i remember, the average bands makes pennies off a cd purchase. thats why most people don't mind dl music off the internet. why support the suits when i'm going to go to their concert, buy a shirt, and spend $30+ on a ticket. and you best believe i'm not going along. DMB sells out 4 nights in a row here in Seattle [and thats an outdoor event...$$$]
and secondly, bands that help their fans trade live albums seem to make more money and stay around much longer then others. Greatful Dead, Phish, DMB, Pearl Jam... - hadees, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1I wouldn't mind DRM to keep Dave Matthews out of my itunes
- Gregd, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1I'm confused. Doesn't DMB own their own record label? They allow recordings of their live shows. If they own their own label and if they don't want DRM on their cd's, then why the hell is it on there?
As an aside, when Metallica really jumped on this bandwagon, I lost all respect for them as artists. There was a day (when Metallica wasn't so popular) that they encouraged sharing their music. Little did I know that it was to crap on their early fans. Now that they've "made it", ***** the fans. Metallica can just kiss my ass. Any, and I do many any, cd that has DRM attached to it, will NEVER make it into my record collection.
Until these record/movie companies get it through their thick ***** skulls (that their business models need to change) people should stop buying this DRM'd crap. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1That's because no one would ever WANT to pirate dave matthews
I wont even download they're music!! - Otto, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0mu-sly said: "Or, if you do buy it, take it back and get a refund, because it's not a proper audio CD."
Reply by Otto:
Actually, these are proper audio CD's. There's nothing "broken" about them, they will play in every audio CD player everywhere. They adhere to the Blue Book standard, and can even display the CD Audio logo. The only "DRM" on these CD's is a malware product on the data track. If you install this malware, then it will prevent your computer from properly ripping the CD by messing up the data as the rip occurs.
All the modern CD Protetions work this way. Older protections did have issues with older audio cd players, but this is no longer the case as they found that this sort of damaging of the standard was unnecessary. Also, Philips got huffy and was going to sue the hell of several companies for breaking the CD standards (as Philips *owns* the format and could easily claim a hell of a lot of damages).
In any case, the SHIFT key trick or disabling AutoRun works on all CD protections nowadays. Just do that and problem goes away. The protection relies on your ignorance to install the malware. - digit9, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0@donwilson the band didn't dump ***** on people, the bus driver did.
"dave mattews what? only old people listen to that *****." - Yea, some of us still enjoy listening to music performed my REAL musicians.
The last DMB CD was a huge let down. Not only for the DRM, but for the music. - Magnum2066, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Use Jhymn. No more wasted CDs! :D
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0This is sooooo easy. Don't buy the album. Screw Sony, and SCREW DMB for allowing it to happen.
Economic forces will make the lame bastards rethink their strategy.
/I don't listen to their crap anyway. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0I wish other "artists" (sorry I love when musicians refer to themselves as such) had the spine to do the same. Sadly, who needs a record company nowadays with so much home studio technology and easy (cheap) distribution online you really don't need record companies (gasp) -- could they possibly not want anyone to know they are extinct???
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Alternatively, you can illegally download their music and not pay them a dime. If they are going to take a DUMP on paying customers, I suggest you DONT PAY.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0Who gives a ***** what the band, who dumped human feces on other people, says.
- snatchedlaus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0Huh?
- abeerge30, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0It's DMB ... Who cares!
- nymphetamine, on 10/12/2007, -4/+0dave mattews what? only old people listen to that *****.
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