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Copying CDs could be made legal
news.bbc.co.uk — Copying music from a CD to a home computer could be made legal under new proposals from the UK government.
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- PaulPinfield, on 01/08/2008, -2/+63You mean storing my music in iTunes is currently a criminal offence?
Asinine...- Myonosken, on 01/08/2008, -4/+8It means to clarify it. As has been shown by wankers like the RIAA, it isn't clarified well enough.
- t3rmv3locity, on 01/08/2008, -0/+2Dugg for the genuine british term such as 'wanker'.
- Volkerball, on 01/08/2008, -0/+8Obviously the law is just a vague copyright law that you cant copy and reproduce stuff that is copyrighted. What this article is saying is that the law should be rewrote to keep up with electronic media and the ease and ability to copy it.
- Philluminati, on 01/08/2008, -1/+2If you ripped it from a CD then technically yes. It's legal of course to have music brought off iTunes in your iTunes library. I'm glad this amendment has happened
- Twoodge, on 01/08/2008, -0/+8Does anyone actually worry about the legality of this sort of thing any more though?
- snatchmstr, on 01/08/2008, -0/+6Nope
- chedabob, on 01/08/2008, -4/+3***** THE BPI!!
- ninsei, on 01/08/2008, -0/+4Don't know about the States but in Canada we can make as many copies as we like and alter it in any way, it's the distribution that is illegal.
- spyrochaete, on 01/08/2008, -0/+3Uploading, not downloading, is illegal in Canada. For now.
- ninsei, on 01/08/2008, -2/+1Actually downloading is illegal too but it's impossible to prove (w/out raiding a house while the DL is in process) and since you can prosecute the people providing the material, since they are not actively doing anything wrong, we all sort of get a pass.
- tehknotte, on 01/08/2008, -0/+1No I'm pretty sure downloading is not illegal in Canada.
- RogerStrong, on 01/08/2008, -0/+6Sharing with family and friends is also legal in Canada. In exchange we pay a tariff on recordable media. It's *public* distribution that's illegal.
- graemee, on 01/08/2008, -0/+1As long as you give someone an original and THEY make the copy, it's legal in Canuckistan. You just can't make a copy for them. That way it's "sharing" and not copying.
- spyrochaete, on 01/08/2008, -0/+3Uploading, not downloading, is illegal in Canada. For now.
- KyleGoetz, on 01/08/2008, -0/+4I know this article is about the UK, but since ninsei talked about Canada in response, I'll clarify the US's law: Chapter 17 of the United States Code states that making unauthorized copies of copyrighted information is copyright infringement.
However, Section 107 of the same Chapter incorporates the doctrine of Fair Use as an affirmative defense (basically, with an affirmative defense--e.g., self-defense or insanity--you don't deny that you broke the law, but instead say your actions were justified or have an excuse).
The Supreme Court (and to the best of my knowledge, no Appellate Courts) has never ruled whether ripping CDs for iPods and such is fair use. So the issue is technically unsettled, but pretty much everyone (except the RIAA) agrees that ripping music for personal use is fair use. If this sort of law were to be passed in the US, it would only be to clarify an already widely-accepted belief about the law. - bingobongony, on 01/08/2008, -1/+1No it isn't. More ***** from the idiotic Digg crowd. The RIAA has always said there is nothing wrong with making YOURSELF a backup copy of a CD.
You just can't place that copy into a shared folder.- jonshipman, on 01/08/2008, -0/+2This is a UK law, the RIAA is AMERICA...
They don't have the same copyright laws.- bingobongony, on 01/08/2008, -2/+199% of the people in this thread that are bitching right now are bitching about hte RIAA.
- JoeVet, on 01/09/2008, -0/+1The RIAA said you are PROBABLY safe if you copy your own CD's ("transferring a copy onto your computer hard drive or your portable music player, won’t USUALLY raise concerns"). In court they have said that copying a CD to another format onto your computer is illegal. You can decide weather you trust what they tell the customer or what they tell the court.
- jonshipman, on 01/08/2008, -0/+2This is a UK law, the RIAA is AMERICA...
- Myonosken, on 01/08/2008, -4/+8It means to clarify it. As has been shown by wankers like the RIAA, it isn't clarified well enough.
- AriaGloris, on 01/08/2008, -17/+4Lord Triesman said the law should be changed so it "keeps up with the times because I'm a strait out pimp".
Why are you looking at me like that? meh.. it would have been better that way. - SSUK, on 01/08/2008, -1/+33About bloody time too. How am I breaking copyright if I'm moving music I'VE ALREADY PAID FOR over to devices I use for myself? Does this mean that moving a CD around with me to play in my portable CD player is against copyright? Because it's more or less the same damn thing.
- cbrunet, on 01/08/2008, -1/+12You only paid to listen to the CD, the copyright holder should be compensated every time you try to listen to it on another device. You are cheating the system by listening to your purchased product different ways. It would be buying food from McDonalds but eating it in a Wendy's. Then the floodgates would really open... Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together - mass hysteria!
- bjs3171, on 01/08/2008, -0/+6funny. that's a good one.
and ***** you for making me want Wendy's now.- cbrunet, on 01/08/2008, -0/+3Oh man... I could SO go for a Baconator right about now....
- MasteRR, on 01/08/2008, -4/+3*****. That restaurant analogy is like saying that is like saying that the RIAA owns all of your devices and has a say over how you use them. I'll be damned if that is the case.
Now as for what you can actually do with that CD you bought, I don't remember signing a contract when I bought a CD. They sold it to me, I should be able to do with it what I want. If they copyright law doesn't let me do it, then something is damn morally wrong and you and I both know it needs to be changed. Hence these new proposals.- dnields, on 01/08/2008, -0/+0The RIAA has no say about how you use them, the U.S. Copyright laws do. Keep in mind, though that this article deals with the United Kingdom, so bringing up the RIAA or US Copyright laws are a moot point.
- cbrunet, on 01/08/2008, -0/+3You realize it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for a reason, right? Did my sarcasm get lost among the tubes of the internet?
- pauleric, on 01/08/2008, -0/+1cbrunet: You might think that "Human sacrifice...mass hysteria" would be enough to indicate your intent, but you would be wrong to think that. Some people will just never get it, even if you actually use 'sarcasm' tags.
Look on the bright side: Not only was your initial comment funny, it also turned into an unintentional troll, eliciting a funny response. I think I'll digg him up! And I don't mean 'troll' in a bad way, just the closest word I can think of.
- bjs3171, on 01/08/2008, -0/+6funny. that's a good one.
- SmpleJohn, on 01/08/2008, -0/+4You still have a portable CD player?
- KyleGoetz, on 01/08/2008, -0/+1Technically speaking, when you bought the CD, you bought the physical media (CD) and a license to listen to that music (under some RIAA arguments and probably BPI arguments, too, the license is only to PRIVATELY LISTEN TO THE MUSIC WHILE ITS ON THE CD--sorry about using all caps, I'm not yelling).
Thus, you can do whatever you want to the CD, provided that it doesn't violate the license (e.g., burning a copy for your friend would be a legal use of the CD since you own it, but would violate the "no unauthorized reproductions" area of the Berne Convention and presumably, therefore, UK law).
That being said, in the US, fair use would permit this use. I'm not very familiar with UK law, but I think your equivalent is called the "fair dealing" doctrine, and presumably would apply in a similar way in this circumstance.
- cbrunet, on 01/08/2008, -1/+12You only paid to listen to the CD, the copyright holder should be compensated every time you try to listen to it on another device. You are cheating the system by listening to your purchased product different ways. It would be buying food from McDonalds but eating it in a Wendy's. Then the floodgates would really open... Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together - mass hysteria!
- Gorvan, on 01/08/2008, -1/+43"the law should be changed so it keeps up with the times", he said ironically, 10 years late.
- widgetmaker, on 01/08/2008, -0/+9heh about 20-30 years to late (home taping etc)
- borez, on 01/08/2008, -5/+7Oh... is it illegal?
/sarcastic/ - Myonosken, on 01/08/2008, -14/+5The title is incorrect. At the minute copying CDs to a home PC is a gray area, but not outright illegal. RIAA have shown the law isn't clear enough.
- cbrunet, on 01/08/2008, -0/+7I'm pretty sure its illegal in the UK, but not so much in NA.
- widgetmaker, on 01/08/2008, -0/+12Remember this is the UK it is against the law here.
- bjs3171, on 01/08/2008, -1/+1is the fine copyright print on a CD really different on UK releases?
- widgetmaker, on 01/08/2008, -0/+2I don't know but I trust the beeb enough to take their word for it that copying is illegal and I have heard it other places as well.
- MSP1, on 01/09/2008, -0/+1Did you want to hide your location or do you assume that everyone else in the world will be ale to guess where "here" is?
- bjs3171, on 01/08/2008, -1/+1is the fine copyright print on a CD really different on UK releases?
- Urusai, on 01/08/2008, -1/+1Making an "archival" copy has been legal for decades in the US (court decisions and all). I just happen to play my archives and keep the original CD as the backup.
- bryano, on 01/08/2008, -3/+19***** the BPI !
- andyakadum, on 01/08/2008, -0/+4Yeah! ***** everyone!
- veriix, on 01/08/2008, -0/+2Hey, ***** you
- andyakadum, on 01/08/2008, -0/+4Yeah! ***** everyone!
- ruyn, on 01/08/2008, -2/+3This isn't the first time this has been talked about, and once again it will never happen. Also if it does I would love to see how they would attempt to stop it from happening.
- stillrealvicz, on 01/08/2008, -1/+2Some CDs already have DRM to (try to) prevent them being ripped.
- Philluminati, on 01/08/2008, -1/+1Some? I thought it was "most" these days
- drlha, on 01/08/2008, -0/+3I have personally never encountered a CD with DRM (and buy probably 10-20 CDs per year), so I doubt it is "most".
- roebeet, on 01/08/2008, -0/+1I also don't think it was very prevalent. I've never owned one, and every time DRM was attempted, there was usually a backlash (the Sony rootkit, comes to mind).
- Philluminati, on 01/08/2008, -1/+1Some? I thought it was "most" these days
- stillrealvicz, on 01/08/2008, -1/+2Some CDs already have DRM to (try to) prevent them being ripped.
- cbrunet, on 01/08/2008, -0/+18Sweet, Englishmen everywhere will be happy that they will be able to use the other 75GB of their 80GB iPod's finally.
- neiltc13, on 01/08/2008, -5/+13United Kingdom is a lot more than England.
- cbrunet, on 01/08/2008, -0/+5United Kingdomers then? Sorry, I don't know the lingo, my bad.
- AgarwaenUmarth, on 01/08/2008, -0/+1I think you can get away with saying 'Brits,' but that excludes Ireland.
- neiltc13, on 01/08/2008, -0/+1Ireland is an island comprised of two countries - the United Kingdom and the Republic of Ireland. Saying "Brits" is normally taken to include all residents of the United Kingdom.
- neiltc13, on 01/08/2008, -0/+1Ireland is an island comprised of two countries - the United Kingdom and the Republic of Ireland. Saying "Brits" is normally taken to include all residents of the United Kingdom.
- AgarwaenUmarth, on 01/08/2008, -0/+1I think you can get away with saying 'Brits,' but that excludes Ireland.
- cbrunet, on 01/08/2008, -0/+5United Kingdomers then? Sorry, I don't know the lingo, my bad.
- bosssmiley, on 01/09/2008, -1/+1UK = England + parsley-like Celtic garnish. ;-)
As for the article - it's just (slowly evolving) English law trying to keep up with (rapidly changing) technology and customary usages. Much more civilized than slapping people with punitive lawsuits based on outmoded laws hijacked by a self-interest group (BPI, RIAA, etc) though, eh?
- neiltc13, on 01/08/2008, -5/+13United Kingdom is a lot more than England.
- mailthev, on 01/08/2008, -11/+4***** THE RIAA!
- actorboy, on 01/08/2008, -3/+1Why is this guy being reddited down?!
- TheDiceMan, on 01/08/2008, -0/+1Because it's already been said before in this thread?
- tehknotte, on 01/08/2008, -0/+2Because this is about the U.K. and not America?
- actorboy, on 01/08/2008, -2/+1And this is Digg not reddit. See what I did there?
- MSP1, on 01/09/2008, -0/+2"Because this is about the U.K. and not America?"
What has that got to do with anything and where is this "America" you prattle about? Never heard of it.
- actorboy, on 01/08/2008, -3/+1Why is this guy being reddited down?!
- KineticShampoo, on 01/08/2008, -2/+17You bet your ***** ass it should be legal! I ***** payed for this!
- Stuart750, on 01/08/2008, -6/+3This is a lot like saying 'J-Walking will no longer be punishable by law'
- floatingpoints, on 01/08/2008, -11/+4It's already legal. It's called "Fair Use".
- Volkerball, on 01/08/2008, -0/+6I'm not sure it would fall under Fair Use here in the UK.
http://copyrightservice.co.uk/copyright/p09_fair_u ...- Volkerball, on 01/08/2008, -0/+4http://copyrightservice.co.uk/copyright/p09_fair_u ...
- yaryarhumphump, on 01/08/2008, -0/+6Of course according to the industry Fair Use = listening to the disk in a sound proof room, so no one can hear it, in the dark so you cant see the lyrics or art work, without singing along or humming, and upon exiting the room having a RIAA goon inject you with chemicals to make you forget the song so you cant transport the song in your memory to another location and think about the song or reproduce it in your mind.....
- widgetmaker, on 01/08/2008, -1/+1This is the UK it's different here.
- MasteRR, on 01/08/2008, -0/+1Unfortunately as time goes on it gets closer and closer to being true.
- dnields, on 01/08/2008, -2/+0Guess again...
http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html
- Volkerball, on 01/08/2008, -0/+6I'm not sure it would fall under Fair Use here in the UK.
- winmywii, on 01/08/2008, -1/+8This is fair use in the US, right?
- dnields, on 01/08/2008, -1/+3Nope...
http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html- catalysis, on 01/08/2008, -0/+3I don't see how that makes it illegal to copy a CD to your computer. Care to explain?
- dcshiderly, on 01/08/2008, -0/+1It doesn't. See my post that got dugg down because some people here hate me for some of the ideas I hold.
- dnields, on 01/08/2008, -0/+1It says nothing about making copies of CD's or audio at all... that's the point.
For the laws on copying CD's/audio recordings you have to refer to the Audio Home Recording Act (AHRA), not Fair Use. Fair Use only permits a small amount of a copyrighted work to be used in very specific situations. It has nothing to do with personal use. The AHRA is what technically should be followed for copying audio in the U.S. - JoeVet, on 01/09/2008, -0/+1Your taking their copyrighted work and illegally changing the format and creating a separate copy. The RIAA has said in court that is not authorized. In public they have always hedged giving themselves plenty of wiggle room.
- catalysis, on 01/08/2008, -0/+3I don't see how that makes it illegal to copy a CD to your computer. Care to explain?
- secrity, on 01/08/2008, -0/+1"Fair use" is a dangerous gray area to be in. It just takes one ***** judge that has been bought and paid for to totally ***** someone over.
- roebeet, on 01/08/2008, -0/+1The jury's still out on this, in the US (pardon the word play on that). No one seems to make up their mind on whether or not it's actually legal to make a backup, for personal use, of your purchased CD's.
- bingobongony, on 01/08/2008, -0/+1WEll, onsidering millions of people have done it and ZERO people have been sued for it, I think it is safe to consider it legal.
- dnields, on 01/08/2008, -0/+0Actually, U.S. Copyright Law is very clear about copying digital media. Read the Audio Home Recording Act (1992). It isn't illegal in the U.S. to copy digital media... only some methods of doing it aren't allowed by the act.
- dcshiderly, on 01/08/2008, -0/+2Copies made for personal use are allowed under Fair Use. Just because the RIAA wants you to buy additional copies of the CD to put in your car, home player, and PC doesn't mean they can make you. People say the jury's still out, but the Sony Betamax case put this to rest in the '70s.
- bingobongony, on 01/08/2008, -0/+1It is legal, but the Sony Betamax case had NOTHING to do with it. Two completely different things. The Sony Betamax case did not allow you to copy movies to play on other devices.
- dnields, on 01/08/2008, -1/+3Nope...
- breezytrees, on 01/08/2008, -1/+10wait so this is illegal in uk? wtf?
- rohanch, on 01/08/2008, -0/+7It's technically illegal, but accepted as legal by everyone anyway, even by the BPI (our equivalent of the RIAA). They just want to rewrite the law so it specifically makes ripping CDs an acceptable use.
- dsmx, on 01/08/2008, -0/+1It is illegal however the record industry in the UK have said they will not prosecute anyone who copies there cd's for personal use.
- bjs3171, on 01/08/2008, -5/+4uh, it is legal. the small print on any CD says so.
- JoeVet, on 01/09/2008, -0/+1NOt according to the RIAA. Perhaps your CD is from an indie label?
- TimeShifter23, on 01/08/2008, -8/+7***** the RIAA, they don't own *****. I can do what I want, when I want, with whoever I want. If I want to share, then I will.
Sharing is good. :-)- fowleryo, on 01/08/2008, -0/+4*cartman* I'll do what I want
- cbrunet, on 01/08/2008, -0/+1I eat babies, whatever!
- jonshipman, on 01/08/2008, -0/+1Where is the RIAA come to play in the article?
- fowleryo, on 01/08/2008, -0/+4*cartman* I'll do what I want
- BradMajors, on 01/08/2008, -2/+5Bad news. It is already legal. What this law would implicitly do is to make other fair use copying implicitly illegal.
- localzuk, on 01/08/2008, -0/+4It is *not* already legal, as the law is vague. What we have at the moment is a sort of legal immunity, as no court would hear such a case, the CPS would not bring a case, and the police would not send a case for the CPS to look at. However, if there was a change in the judiciary, there could be prosecutions for it. The change in the law, whilst making some things implicitly illegal, also makes this aspect of copying implicitly legal.
- atgmac, on 01/08/2008, -1/+0You do know we don't have "fair use" in the UK, right? Obviously not
- localzuk, on 01/08/2008, -0/+1Huh? I don't mention fair use at all... We have fair dealing - which is very restrictive in it's remit.
- atgmac, on 01/08/2008, -1/+0You do know we don't have "fair use" in the UK, right? Obviously not
- bingobongony, on 01/08/2008, -1/+1Your definition of "fair use" is not the legal one.
- localzuk, on 01/08/2008, -0/+4It is *not* already legal, as the law is vague. What we have at the moment is a sort of legal immunity, as no court would hear such a case, the CPS would not bring a case, and the police would not send a case for the CPS to look at. However, if there was a change in the judiciary, there could be prosecutions for it. The change in the law, whilst making some things implicitly illegal, also makes this aspect of copying implicitly legal.
- chestertonb, on 01/08/2008, -0/+8Just by reading these few comments its obvious that people are unsure as to what the law is in the UK. Thus surely it makes sense for the UK government to clarify the laws on the statute book and make them relevant for new technologies. If they piss off a some record comopanies because they cant take our trousers down and do us dry anymore, well that just a bonus.
- lewhich, on 01/08/2008, -1/+7So I've been a criminal all this time using my iTunes
- dnields, on 01/08/2008, -2/+0In the U.S.?.... technically, yes
- stillrealvicz, on 01/08/2008, -2/+5My CD my choice what I do with it whatever the pigopolists say. If you don't like it, don't sell 'em. Simple.
- cowsgonemadd3, on 01/08/2008, -2/+2Like they are going to search your computer anyways.
- kevdotbadger, on 01/08/2008, -2/+4OFFTOPIC:
See the stupid thing is, back in the 90's when VHS recorders where in, noone had any problems with recording programs off the TV. Now can someone tell me how recording music off the internet is any different?- wyrdness, on 01/08/2008, -0/+2Not true. There were major lawsuits over VHS. Perhaps you don't remember them?
- SmpleJohn, on 01/08/2008, -0/+1It was published on the internet illegally.
- dnields, on 01/08/2008, -1/+1Actually, they did. Could they possibly prosecute every single person in the U.S. doing it? Of course not. The simple facts are just because we do something because we don't understand/agree with the laws as they are written, doesn't make it any less 'illegal' because we aren't being sought out for doing it.
- kevdotbadger, on 01/08/2008, -0/+1Welp, that's news to me.
KNOWLEDGE IS POWER. - bingobongony, on 01/08/2008, -1/+1TV paid for the right to air the programs. The internet sites that you ate getting the music did not. So if you must have the obvious reason dumbed down for you to understnad it, think of it like buying a watch in a store versus buying a watch off a guy on the street with a bunch of suitcases filed with merchandise that "fell off the truck". Yes, he is hte bigger criminal, but yo know damn well the watch you are buying is stolen, and hence, you are committing a crime too.
- jonshipman, on 01/08/2008, -0/+1And people aren't being sued FOR downloading, they're being sued for sharing.
- mattr12345, on 01/08/2008, -1/+8Hah, the law. This is the internet. Wake up.
- mtwhitneyclimb, on 01/08/2008, -6/+1*****, it is legal to copy to your computer. Don't believe this stupid article. Its reverse psychology.
- secrity, on 01/08/2008, -0/+2It should be legal and it probably is legal under "fair use", the problem is that it is not explicitly legal.
- localzuk, on 01/08/2008, -0/+2Nope, even if you read the fair dealing laws very liberally, it would be difficult to mount a defense if prosecuted for this.
- AgarwaenUmarth, on 01/08/2008, -1/+1It would have to be explicitly illegal for there to be an issue, really. I mean, if the law is silent on an issue, then it is implicitly and logically legal.
- secrity, on 01/08/2008, -0/+1The problem is that the law is not silent on it being illegal, however there is a very vague "fair use" exception.
- secrity, on 01/08/2008, -0/+2It should be legal and it probably is legal under "fair use", the problem is that it is not explicitly legal.
- em11488, on 01/08/2008, -2/+1are they going to "digg" themselves deeper. Nobody is going to buy a cd that owns an ipod/zune if this goes through. the only reason i buy or keep cds is knowing I have a hard backup copy.
their committing suicide. - ryrysofly, on 01/08/2008, -2/+2who the hell still uses CDs to carry music? O_o
- andyakadum, on 01/08/2008, -1/+2Everyone
- jonshipman, on 01/08/2008, -1/+1Over 70
- andyakadum, on 01/08/2008, -1/+2Everyone
- MattB123, on 01/08/2008, -0/+8If it becomes illegal I'm sure everyone will stop doing it.
- speedyrev, on 01/08/2008, -2/+15It's funny how many Americans assume that they are the only ones on the internet. This is an article about the UK and how they are trying to update copyright law.
- roebeet, on 01/08/2008, -0/+5Exactly on the mark! Even if this becomes law in the UK, it means absolutely nothing to other countries (including the US).
- localzuk, on 01/08/2008, -0/+4True. What's with the links to Fair Use documents? And mentions of the RIAA? We don't have either over here. We do have 'fair dealing' common law though - but this still doesn't cover this issue.
- DangerDaz, on 01/08/2008, -0/+1Unfortunately there are some sadly mis-informed Americans that think America is the world, not the majority luckily. I know an Australian that went to the USA and some woman asked "Isn't Australia one of those states in America?"
- kevyn, on 01/08/2008, -1/+1hahahahahhahahahahahahahahaha yeah right.
- coleki, on 01/08/2008, -1/+7Hey, you! Yeah, you-- the one talking about how the RIAA is evil. Guess what?
This article is referring entirely to the UK.
Ugh. Am I the only American who doesn't think everything on the internet takes place in America? (even when specifically stated otherwise!)
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Now that I have refreshed my session, my post is redundant. Oh well.
P.S. - Am I the only one with that problem? Sometimes I'll login, immediately try to make a post, and receive the "Sorry, your session has expired" message...- localzuk, on 01/08/2008, -0/+2I get that problem all the time. Irritating as hell sometimes.
- piesforyou, on 01/08/2008, -0/+2me too.
- Oetzi, on 01/08/2008, -1/+2Do the RIAA have any jurisdiction outside of the USA? Honest question...just wondering
- shredswithpiks, on 01/08/2008, -1/+3US corporations do what they want where they want (the RIAA has no "jurisdiction" *inside* the USA, they are not a government or law enforcement entity)
- AgarwaenUmarth, on 01/08/2008, -0/+1They are an American organization of American recording companies with American lawyers.
So your answer is "No, not really."- BDOUG, on 01/08/2008, -0/+1Sony and the others are not American corporations. Most of the companies represented by the RIAA are multi-nationals. They create factories wherever the labor and raw materials are the cheapest, and sell wherever profits are highest. Which is a 100% fine business model for the most part. I just wish all the countries would tax the bejeebers out of them since they are in fact not loyal to ANY flag anywhere. We're so dumb and arrogant in the USA we do think of them as American corporations and give them a pass on a lot of taxes and tarriffs.
- AgarwaenUmarth, on 01/08/2008, -0/+1They are an American organization of American recording companies with American lawyers.
- JoeVet, on 01/09/2008, -0/+1No the RIAA has no jurisdiction outside the US but there are similar organizations in other countries. The IFPI represents the labels worldwide.
- shredswithpiks, on 01/08/2008, -1/+3US corporations do what they want where they want (the RIAA has no "jurisdiction" *inside* the USA, they are not a government or law enforcement entity)
- knobtwiddler, on 01/08/2008, -1/+2you mean its illegal now?
- mm911, on 01/08/2008, -2/+1UK = FALE
- andyakadum, on 01/08/2008, -1/+1obvious comment is obvious
- Badtastic, on 01/08/2008, -1/+1Do you mean "FAIL" ?
- AgarwaenUmarth, on 01/08/2008, -0/+3No. The law in the UK is vague.
Besides, it's unenforcible even if it is illegal.
- mm911, on 01/08/2008, -2/+1UK = FALE
- CookieCutter, on 01/08/2008, -2/+1i drive around in new jersey... a CD lasts all of about 2 weeks before it starts skipping. i'm not paying 15 bucks every 2 weeks for the same cd. wendys. mmm.
- Badtastic, on 01/08/2008, -2/+1If this proposal comes into force, it will warrant yet another reason to NOT purchase CD's (who's sales figures are plummeting as we speak) As a consumer, its starting to make more sense to shun the (non eco-friendly) CD-format altogether and instead adopt the habit of purchasing down-loadable music instead.
Seriously, if the recording industry wants to shoot themselves in the foot like this, lets sit back and enjoy the spectacle. Lets bring out the popcorn and watch them squirm in their own stupidity. - imakeart4u, on 01/08/2008, -2/+1say goodbye to cd's.
- Zabuza2478, on 01/08/2008, -2/+0"Not bloody likely"
- WombleSlayer, on 01/08/2008, -1/+0What's the point of even making this legal? The law concerning it is pretty much unenforced.
- pigfister, on 01/08/2008, -0/+1Circumventing DRM to make copies for personal use will remain illegal for consumers so this is a pathetic show law!
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/01/08/copyright_ ... - brickbat, on 01/08/2008, -0/+1Don't be naive. This is a scam. They always add a meaningless clause like this while the really serious part of the "reform" is not even discussed. I will bet money that the law also increases penalties, reduces the threshold for a conviction, and criminalises behaviour that used to be a civil matter.
- RoloTomasie, on 01/08/2008, -1/+1The current legislation in the US (relevant to me) about CD ripping does annoy me rather, but much less than it would if this were an enforced law. I can imagine that perhaps such violations could be added to a list of charges for piracy, but it doesn't seem to have been the problem that some regular users seemed to portend.
- leefnaspleaf, on 01/08/2008, -1/+2Dear music industry *****:
***** you. Nobody likes you anymore. Nobody is concerned about the morality of it all anymore. You wanted to play dirty by abusing the legal system, so now we, the internet, are playing dirty by completely subverting all of the money grubbing, boy's club ***** that you so arrogantly believed was entrenched in our culture.
We're smarter than you. And while we once had ethical issues regarding music piracy, it has become obvious that you are no better than common criminals yourselves. We will continue to laugh our asses off as your antiquated "CD" format suffers the slow death it deserves and people figure out that we don't need some low-life middle-man cramming his cash-cow, teeniebopper ***** down our throats. Everyone can see what you did. Everyone can see what you're trying to do. We're taking our Art BACK. - invisiblehat, on 01/08/2008, -0/+1Seriously, who here has ever been deterred by something silly like legality when dealing with CD's, MP3's, software, or DVD's?
- TheIguana, on 01/08/2008, -0/+1No no no, you get paid once when I pay for it. Then you suck it up let me do whatever I want with the content I have bought until you come out with something else I want and then the process repeats itself. Gosh these music lables just do not understand the very simple concept of fair use.
- Morienus, on 01/08/2008, -0/+0What? Copying CDs is illegal? XD
- clearzen, on 01/08/2008, -0/+1Who really cares if they make it illegal, how often do you think someone would stop copying a personal cd because it is intellectual property and deemed "illegal". File sharing is also "illegal" in quite a few countries and we've seen what a huge impact that has had.
- m0tbaillie, on 01/09/2008, -0/+1Not that anybody really gives a ***** or anything... The legal aspect of pirating music sure isn't stopping the vast majority of people from doing it, so why cares if it is made legal to copy/rip one's OWN legitimately purchased music collection? Asisnine, indeed.
- gsensel, on 01/09/2008, -1/+1Buried because no one RTFA... This is about the UK not the US our laws are different as people who RTFA have pointed out..
- MSP1, on 01/09/2008, -1/+1I detect yet another insular american moron. Bet you voted for Bush retard.
- MadceltUK, on 01/09/2008, -0/+1Since when was DIGG an American only site? Bury the comments not the article, idiot.
- Scheissen, on 01/09/2008, -0/+1haha britain!
- Firedino, on 01/09/2008, -0/+0Yea it's illegal. What are they gonna do? I've been pirating for years and nothing and nobody has ever said one word about it.
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