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- crazyman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2You know that music today sucks when a 5th grader walked up to me tellin gme that the new band Guns and Roses rocks. Honestly you guys are right British rock is the same and it's hard to find good music. The reason that the music store earsn so much money is because you can buy the single tracks in which only one song is good on the whole goddamn CD.
- CaughtThinking, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Music is TERRIBLE. All of this cry-baby girly "guy" ***** that's popular.
Where are the Springsteens/Madonnas/Michael Jacksons of this generation?
We're getting fed a constant supply of ***** and the music industry is balking at us vomiting?
Come the ***** on, the RIAA needs to be more self-aware than that. - ByteGuerilla, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The Velvet Revolver album in 2004 was the last album I bought. Music just sucks these day. Especially here in England. We have a new phase in British 'Rock' music where all the bands are the ***** same. They're just one big band that we refer to as the Franz Kaiserlight's Futuremonkeys (an amalgam of the guilty bands' names, for those who don't know them).
- rmdl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It's evident there's a problem alone when people say things like "Don't steal music, then." or "I don't steal music."
You can't steal music. That idea is simply absurd. It's like saying... don't steal my catch phrase. This "IP" ***** that people are throwing around lately is one thing that's going to stifle innovation in this country, whether it's music, technology, or science. Everyone thinks it's all about $$ and who can claim it first.
The fact that they have somehow turned this into what people think is a business model is a problem in itself. Because I want to hear a song or listen to an album does NOT mean I have to buy it. Agree or disagree, doesn't matter. If I download music, if a million people download music... doesn't matter. It does NOT make or break the system and numerous studies have proven this.
Let's just be crazy and say 400 million people download the album and don't pay for it... guess who's getting maximum exposure? Guess who's gonna rake in tons of cash, beyond their wildest dreams, when they go on tour? So the RIAA is the *only* loser here. Boo hoo. They'll get over it, and their loss shouldn't bother you any.
Music is music, and people, even those who hate the RIAA, are doing some part in bastardizing the whole concept of it. - jayf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I don't get it.
We're at war with the RIAA right?
Why are we giving them advise on how to get out of their rut?
It's like handing a knife to your enemy or at least telling them the location of your secret base.
Good independent music is out there and it just involves looking for it. Give THEM your money.
Any money going to the RIAA should be to pay some moles to jam the photocopiers/printers so
the stream of lawsuits will slow to a crawl. - temed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I can't count how many times I've read a story about the MPAA or RIAA releasing some profit report saying they've lost $XX billion dollars due to piracy. Aside from the fact that people aren't buying stuff because it sucks, they neglect to take into consideration the fact that if I download something, that doesn't necessarily mean that I was going to buy it. For whatever reason they think that 1 download is equal to 1 lost sale. However, there are people that download something, like it, then go buy the album (which would negate the estimated loss). There are also people who download something, like it, but would have never bought the album in the first place. The idea that download = lost profit is obviously not true and should be considered when conducting these profit studies, and while interpreting them.
- mwales, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Here are my issues with the RIAA and music sales in general.
1. Compare the prices of Movie DVDs to Music CDs. I'm guessing a typical movie would cost 100x the cost of a CD to produce. I'm not talking about the physical production of the media. I'm referring to the fact that hundreds (maybe thousands) of cast members had to participate and spend time putting a movie together. A music CD production isn't even on the same scale. So why do DVDs only cost at most 2x as much as a CD?
2. CDs have been out for over 10 years now, and where is the music format progressing? How is there new technology. In that same span we went from VHS->DVD and soon to HD-DVD/BR. CDs have only advanced by becoming worse (less compatible, rootkits, DRM, etc). If you are gonna violate the red book standard, atleast improve on it. Add in .mp3/.wma files so I don't even have to waste time ripping. How about some pics, maybe a movie or two crammed in.
The music industry is not a free market, thus the RIAA has been able to fix prices for years higher than they should be. I can't believe a court of law could have convicted them of price fixing, yet they haven't dissolved the RIAA monopoly on music. Actually, I'm not surprised, many of the politicians in this country are as crooked as the RIAA lobbyists they are taking their money from. - unitedstatians, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1its not because of quality more like quality content diversity
- jrhass, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Piracy isn't why music sales are down"
They're right, this is:
http://www.thesuperficial.com/archives/2006/01/24/kevin_federline_jams_to_popoza.html - jav1231, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yeah Metallica brought us: "The Creeping Thing cometh and he wants me to kill you" (the basic theme of EVERY Metallica song). Today it's "Why Have I become the Creeping Thing and why do I want to kill you...Yo?" Metal is infused with Hip-Hop Hip-Hip and RAP are indistinguishable, everyone's either pissed or self-loathed (though self-loathing seems to be the winner here). "Why is everything always so bad for me? CHA-CHING!). It's disgusting. Now if there's no rap in your alternative-metal-semiGoth-euro-selfLoathing DRM'd popHit, you're just not cool!
- func, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Quite a coincidence... A buddy and I were talking about the fact that there really hasn't been a new rock "sound" to come out since the 80's. Metal, techno/dance/disco, psychedelic, shoe gazer, punk, rockabilly, rap, blues/fusion, etc.... You name it. All of rock's new directions and sounds are at least twenty years old and we've now entered an endless cycle of rehashes and crappy mash-ups.
- Jmog123, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Newsflash
Emo music is bad, and the RIAA/MPAA/Grandma Supeona league are bastards - anthony1124, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1There is a ton of good music out there, not on the radio or tv though. Of all the music I download, if I like it enough I usually end up buying the vinyl version of the album anyway... and even though vinyl costs more to make, more to ship, and is bought by stores in lesser quantities, it's much cheaper. It's about 10.99-12.99 for a vinyl ablum record- brand new. The packaging is much better too.
- firehydra2k, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1True that. I don't give a ***** about corporately backed rap and gay hip hop, even if they are available for download right on front of me. I've listened to better local music. ***** the big recording companies!
- cyberfelon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Sure, mainstream music sucks, but there's plenty of good stuff out there that doesn't get a lot of promotion. There are bands that are carrying the torch of good music, but the problem is that nobody is listening.
I'm 20 and most people my age either listen to everything they hear on the radio, or they try to become the pop antithesis by listening to anything that's pointlessly loud and obnoxious. Led Zeppelin were loud, but they weren't an angry bunch of overgrown teenagers screaming like they were being stabbed and swearing just to be edgy. They made solid rock music.
CaughtThinking said "Where are the Springsteens/Madonnas/Michael Jacksons of this generation?" If there was any artist with mass market appeal and artistic integrity like the artists you mentioned, I'd have to say it's Ben Folds. Who do you know that bought Songs For Silverman? The problem isn't just the fat cats deciding what to play on the radio, the bigger problem is that most people are complete ***** who don't realise that the internet frees us from being told what to listen to. Go out and find some interesting music!
Seriously, this is Digg. You all know how to use the internet. If your idea of what modern music has to offer is what you hear on popular radio then you need to go to Metacritic and check out the albums with the highest ratings (listen to samples of the albums on Amazon, download it on BitTorrent, whatever). It will paint a completely different picture. Then if you like it, BUY IT. - pongx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Ok, music has sucked since the late 90's. Music sales have been down since the late 90's. Piracy is just the consumer response to overpriced crap. Consumers will ALWAYS pay for quality at a fair price. Period. People still buy music by Elvis, The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, etc... because they put out quality.
Let's face it. The Rolling Stones are in their 60's and they are selling out arena's because they put out quality music. Not because they are the sexiest men alive or anything. The music biz needs to stop selling cheap sex and start selling good music. - ShaneApex, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Name the last ugly new face in the music industry to make it and you have the last true talent in the industry to get a contract from the music industry. Name the last popular cd that was in the top ten within the last 5 years that you listen to still. I bet you can't
- techlinks, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Heh. While I do agree that the genral quality of music is down. That doesn't stop the 12-15 year old generation or whatever from downloading like crazy all their favorite crappy songs they hear on the crappy radio which always plays crappy bands.
- docxxvi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0about bloody time!!! we need some great new bands - bout time these execs started hiring people who actually enjoy music and we need more content online, i agree we need more music available from the past on itunes etc
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Music has been "used up". It isn't necessarily anyone's fault.
People need to wake up, and go back to the 60's and 70's. - AzBaja, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I can see the problem, I'm no niga with the bling a bling grill. Your selling to only 20% or less of the population. I'm no gang banger so, how da fuka dat get mi no respect so I cap da muda fuka.
I do not know how people enjoy emulating a bunch of ganbangers and crooks with poor dentl work. A kid in the school busted out his own teeth. Thinking his mom would by him so bling bling grill work. You know what he got some white caps and his mom got one hell of a bill.
Pull in some artist that might be ugly but re artist or lets just go bck to the 80's and 90's that was about the best time for music ever. ou also can be too old to make music to now try to get on merican idel if your over 25 or 28. - Tweekster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Since when are sales down?
I could have sworn they were making more per year (and releasing less)
so they are making more money all while reducing their available product.... interesting - Kemo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Sales are down because most of the new music sux! All style, no substance!
- ElectricGrandpa, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0If you say "all music is crap" or even "all popular music is crap" that's just plain stupid. It has to be at least pretty good, or else nobody would buy it. Music hasn't become and worse, nor has it even become more expensive.
- Scottamus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Yea that's too bad music sales are down. Oh wait, they ***** aren't. On-line music sales have tripled in the last 2 years. They are crying all the way to the bank.
http://news.ft.com/cms/s/f12c307a-88f0-11da-94a6-0000779e2340.html - 0Troy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0It's an obvious problem... They need to charge more to pay for the lawsuits they keep filing! The more they charge, and fewer people buy, so they file more lawsuits against the people who aren't buying because if they're not buying music then they must be downloading it. Lather. Rinse. Repeat!
- teck0brain, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Amen 'bros. I don't pirate music, simply because of quality. I love my lossless *.wav encoded music. Better yet, I love listening to the music straight from the CD. I can't stand people with drm'ed 96kb/sec wma music libraries. -_-
Sure, there isn't much in good music, but there's some good artists.... Lee Soo Young, Pat Metheny, Mozart.... - davidjunit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I'm gonna have to go with a couple others on the 'lack of talent/originality' as the reason music sales are down. Young adults with money don't like the newer music because they think it sucks and kids that like it are pirating it because they just don't have the money to throw around and it's FREE! I wouldn't wanna pay for it either. I don't understand how pop-rap music makes money, I'm guessing either rich white kids or ghetto youth that don't have access to computers are buying it.
- iFindout, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Yes music execs, just give us better music and go back to bathing in gold and buying 6k shower curtains!
- Noah0504, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Music sales aren't down. They keep rising and the RIAA keeps suing.
- hiddenmidget, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0In this world today, nobody has values. They just want to make a quick buck. That's why there are so many lawsuits.
- twollamalove, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0A quote from the Forum linked under "Discuss:"
"Why the music industry is exempt from dealing with a free market I'll never know."
I am completely on this guy's wavelength. What is more baffling to me is the fact that rarely is this sentiment ever expressed. Can we (by we I mean America, sorry to exclude other citizens in this statement) really consider ourselves a free market? - Mattwbr5, on 09/24/2008, -0/+0This all goes back to pyschology. 80/20 rule. 10% of people will never buy recorded music as long as its available for free on the internet because of varied reasons like sticking it to the man or the artist, they don't like the idea of copyright, or what have you. 10% of people will continue to buy recorded music either online or physically because they feel supporting their artists that they love is is the right thing to do and its good for the business. Then you have 80% of the people who fall in the category of really just follow whatever is easiest and makes the most sense.
Right now what makes the most sense is to download on P2P file sharing networks for free because its easier to do than inputting a credit card to iTunes or Amazon and seeing a 99 cent reduction on your accounting statement. However the reason people steal music in comparison to maybe stealing a car or going to burglarize someone's house is the risk involved. Most of you download because you are under the impression its incredibly difficult to get caught which is true. If you steal a car or break into someone's house you have to be really passionate about that because you know your ass is getting sent to jail immediately if you get caught. Instead of complaining about this and that...
I dont know how old many of you are but I remember 10 years ago when I was 13, taking all the money I got for allowance and buying as many CD's as I could which normally meant like 1-3 albums a month and I would be so picky to buy those albums cuz I liked tons of music but only could afford so much. Now if everyone wants to still be picky its fine and you can buy so much for so much less!!!!!! - Lar5P, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I have a hard time believing that music quality coincidentally took a nose dive just at the same time that widespread file sharing became possible.
People over 20-25 have always thought the music current kids listen to isn't nearly as cool as it was when they were 15. It's just some hormonal/maturity thing. You can't blame the RIAA for that.
Now, if there is some kind of objective measure of music quality going down, I'd be interested in seeing it, but I suspect it's next to impossible to measure such a thing. - geeke, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Sorry to say this put 99% of music that comes out this day n age is *****! PURE *****!!
I will take Mozart or Chopin any damn day over the ***** they call music today. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Awesome, lets all make this a widely dugg article, if for the title alone.
- geeke, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0but* damn it typos
- Offill, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I pray to god every day that my generation will not be remembered for EMO music.
This is the worst generation of children yet. - mistshadow2k4, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Oh yeah, bman001 and all the others who think the RIAA should be able to screw people over however they want - read the ***** RICO Act! That law, which was written to combat the Mafia, is fully applicable to what the RIAA is doing today. The difference is that the RIAA has the politicians on their side, whereas the Mafia did not.
- MrMan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The fact that there is no good music out today is shown by the fact that half of music listeners prefer classics to new age.
- mistshadow2k4, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I wonder how true this "sales are down" stuff we keep hearing from the music industry really is. Some loss of sales? Likely. As bad as they claim? Doubt it. I think it's more of a case that they're not making as much money as they want and are looking for targets to blame.
Case in point: Leon Hendrix is suing his sister, Janie Hendrix, to gain half of Jimi's estate. Questions of who is right or wrong aside (none of my business, really), the reason Leon is suing Janie is because of how much money the estate is still making from the sales of cds (including my Christmas present last year)! Now, I know good and well that there is plenty of Hendrix on the p2p networks to download, so if piracy is such a blight upon the industry's income, why is Jimi's estate still making so much money from cd sales?
"Guess what you stupid *****. Music is NOT a necessity. If you want it, you pay what the sellers ask for. If you don't like it, then you don't get to have it. Period."
Guess what you stupid *****? People are sick of getting screwed over. Just because you feel that you're entitled to screw over everybody you can doesn't mean that they're going to put up with it! Now you run along; I'm sure you need to bend over a bit for an RIAA representative soon. - twinklyJesus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I like the guy who likes to "stick it to the man" and only go to concerts. Last time I checked, "the man" runs TicketMaster, and charges a butt-load of money for tickets!
And I agree, Emo SUCKS! I am tired of emasculated male singers whining because their girlfriend left them when he ran out of man-make up and girlie-man perfume. "Mommy doesn't love me 'cause my nail polish came off!" WAAAAAAAAAAUGH My nephew dyes his hair a different color and shops at the ear and toe ring department at the mall all week-end ... what a fag! - maczocalo, on 12/04/2007, -0/+0The other catch is the fact the many albums suck for the exception of one song or two (if your lucky). Some really good bands don't receive the kind of publicity they deserve. Instead we get nitwits like Britney Spears shoved down our throat. In same cases, downloading music has served as a double edged sword. Why pay $10-15 on a whole album, when you can pay $.99 for the one song you like.
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- natemc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0uhm gee i said this back in 2002 and it was Duh obvious back then.
http://www.natemc.com/news/?p=180 - Rossye, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Info longs to be free. Share everything. Any true rocker should not care if you share music. Its not like your breaking into concerts.
- Mattwbr5, on 09/24/2008, -0/+0WOW! After reading all these comments about people and their views on piracy and downloading music for free, its now very obvious that everybody giving their opinion here does NOT work in the music industry (and I dont mean occasional music maker). How many you are artists, producers, engineers, marketing rep, A&R, manager, work @ radio station, work for Viacom, etc??? Everyone here is saying that downloading a few songs on P2P networks doesnt hurt the record business. Over 78,000 people have lost jobs annually because of a large group of people downloading only a few songs instead of paying for them online or physical CD's. We've witnessed the entire consolidation of the music business much like what is going in the banking system today! Say goodbye to Virgin Records, MCA Records, A&M Records, Columbia Records, Elektra Records, Capitol/EMI had to be sold to a private equity firm to even stay afloat and that was after they fired 15,000 employees! Many of these label's artists have folded back into the larger company umbrella like Interscope or Sony or Universal but all of the employees these companies had are now gone. Thats fine though right because your friends the artists are still living "lavishly" because you see rappers in music videos wearing gold chains. Maybe you might know that most of them LEASED those chains from a jeweler using money they received from the record label as an ADVANCE (if you dont know what that is look it up!) which means the artist will not see any more $$$ from the label until they recoup every last dime they spent on developing, recording, and marketing his project.
And you want to tell everyone about how much it costs to make a record? 25 cents huhhhh? lol... 25 cents is the amount it costs to press the record up onto CD yes but that in no way shape or form includes paying the artist's recording costs. Do you REALLY know how much it costs to hire a producer or multiple producers, hire musicians, pay for studio time (studios arent owned by the record labels anymore, sorry!), pay engineers, pay someone to master the album? Thats just recording costs, lets not even get started on marketing costs (advertising to radio, internet, TV, billboards, paying for promo tours to get your artist/band to play or interview on radio and TV appearances in NYC or LA, etc)... But hey you know it all right? 25 cents hahahahaha
This is not the RIAA's fault music sales or down or they are coming after people. I know people are bitter about what the business was like before where you had to pay $14-18 for an album that had really only like 3-4 songs you liked. Let it go! The business has changed and is now based towards pleasing you the consumer. You can buy whatever song you want at 99 cents! Pick and choose now, its easy. Or ***** that, go to Amie St and pay like 10 cents or whatever the price of the record is there depending on the demand.
Last point, everybody wants better music and great music and I 10000000% agree! There is too much ***** music out there (eg: all the 1000 Soulja Boy impersonation dances) but you want to know something that many of you overlooked...there is tons of great music out there, support it! It is also funny everyone wants to "purchase" better quality music but for some reason all they want to hear is low-budget rap with choreographed dances...its not the record label's fault. STOP REQUESTING BAD MUSIC TO RADIO, TV, & in CLUBS! yes Soulja Boy sold 1,000,000 records (US alone) + 4 million ringtones. More people invested in his ***** ringtone music than artists like the White Stripes, Justice, Nas, Cut Copy, Feist, Bloc Party, Jack Johnson, MSTRKRFT, etc.... -
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