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- Kyrgizion, on 12/06/2007, -13/+65What are you guys talking about? Good idea? This is *****! You guys going to pay a (hefty, no doubt) fee to your ISP for legally downloading Linux distros?
- Woofcat, on 12/06/2007, -3/+33American mind set again. The concept is if everyone pays $5, if they steal ***** or don't. This has no bearing on what you do with your internet connection. Grandma on her 56k Modem will pay $5. It allows everyone to commit piracy, more legally. We already have a similar system, we pay tax on all blank recordable media. Why? because that tax money goes to the music artists etc and thus no-one in Canada has been sued for Thousands of Dollars for downloading a single mp3.
- inactive, on 12/06/2007, -5/+31Sounds like BS to me. Apparently everyone using P2P is stealing something. Guilty until proven innocent.
Hmm, I think I would just tunnel the traffic differently or use a computer at the library. Problem solved. - swab, on 12/06/2007, -1/+24Who decides how the money is split up? What about artists not on a record label, how will they get their cut?
To me, this does not solve the real problem which is the fact that we have a gang of thugs controlling the music industry. This proposal would only maintain the status quo.
Plus of course this is grossly unfair to those who do not use p2p, or do not use it to download pirated content. - IndigoMoss, on 12/06/2007, -3/+17That actually sounds pretty awesome to me.
- ausfahrt, on 12/06/2007, -1/+15Although this is to stop people from stealing their art ... p2p is in no way their technology, nor is it the ISP's, so how can they charge us for it. We already pay them for the connection. It's like charging a dev firm rent on their office, and then expecting to profit off the software they create inside of it. The piraters are getting pirated!?!?!?
- dusanmal, on 12/06/2007, -0/+11Why? P2P is completely legal on its own. You shouldn't download anything illegal without the risk of lawsuit. Limits are between you and your Int.Prov. company, change them if they interfere (I just did so). P2P shouldn't be "taxed" like this...
- Elderon, on 12/06/2007, -1/+12there are so many holes in this idea its just stupid. how do they know im downloading music? Nowadays most game demos are in the 1-3 Gb range so they are best distributed with BT. Also what about linux distros and game patches? Wow uses bt to spread their patches. Even if I was downloading music what about what the previous commenter said, what about non lable artsists? also It would have to be one hell of a fee to make up their supposed lost income from p2p so whats the point?
- JESUSREAM, on 12/06/2007, -4/+15I would be willing to pay a decent fee to use p2p each month without fear of download limits and lawsuits.
- joel.smith, on 12/06/2007, -3/+12I wouldn't mind a $1 to $5/mo. charge on my cable bill to use p2p freely.
But, this was suggested years ago... This is just evidence to me that the recording industry, while hesitant, is trying to make, at least, some stride to a decent win/win situation. - Anaerin, on 12/06/2007, -2/+11But but but... We Canadians already pay a levy to the Music industry for MP3 Players and CD-Rs. They want a second bite of the apple?
- scrag10, on 12/06/2007, -1/+10I'd still rather steal wireless and steal music
- Qeveren, on 12/07/2007, -1/+9Of course they do. They'd charge you for every time you listened to the song in your head, if they could.
- gage006, on 12/07/2007, -5/+13Health care is treated like a luxury item in the US. Your example is broken.
- niallabrown, on 12/06/2007, -1/+9This is all fine and well for big labels and those on labels at all but how does some poor little known artist in Dunville Canada get paid by this system? Yet it sounds like people could legally download her music. Secondly I don't like the implication that I download music illegally. I buy mine on CD.
- Riker, on 12/07/2007, -1/+8I've got a better idea: How about I go and buy the albums of the 3 Canadian artists that I actually like (and I'm Canadian). Those artists can get this money, meanwhile Celine Dion and Anne Murray can piss off because no one gives a ***** about their music anyway, let alone wants to pay 5 bucks a month to justify their existence.
- zombiedepot, on 12/06/2007, -3/+10Somewhat unrelated, but I thought Jamendo had the right idea. They split advertising revenue with their artists as well as allow for donations from the listeners.
- merreborn, on 12/07/2007, -0/+7The EFF has been proposing something like this for over a decade.
http://www.eff.org/wp/better-way-forward-voluntary ... - Murdats, on 12/07/2007, -0/+7yes, but what about when the movie industry, the games industry, the software industry, the porn industry and the book industry all want to jump in on this, after all they are all pirated aswell, why should only music artists get this special tax?
- blapierre, on 12/06/2007, -5/+10So under their plan I, who doesnt share music, would have to foot the bill for emo loving teenagers to get free music because they dont want to pay for it themselves?
- Saoirse72, on 12/06/2007, -1/+6This is a dumb idea. A. P2P activity is not just music, it also includes movies, software, and etc. Does that mean other companies or groups will start asking for such fees! B. So the recording industry wants us to keep feeding into the crap they have been producing in the last decade. Can we say SYNDACATE! Who will regulate this. To me this seems like a very scary idea, because not only does it limit creativity, but it maintains that the any said SYNDACATE will dictate, by means of monitary power, who gets the funds from these fees. C. Not everyone downloads things off the internet. How about some of the older people on the internet that just log on to keep in touch with their kids or far away friends. This does not curb pirating but rather hurts aging consumers. This is so dumb.
- JoelBakan01, on 12/07/2007, -0/+5Damn right it's *****! We already pay a tax on CDs that goes to musicians through SLOCAN. Why the hell should we have to pay twice!
- Elderon, on 12/06/2007, -2/+6@Woofcat,
about your tax on music cd's. I don't see why I should have to pay a flat tax on music cd's to pay artists when I most likely won't even be putting music on any cd's I buy. I'm not paying artists ***** for cd's that are only going to have my homework and computer backups on. - swab, on 12/07/2007, -1/+5No, I'm saying we should pay for our healthcare collectively, and our music individually. I'm not from the US and I don't particularly care what they do there.
- technoredneck, on 12/07/2007, -2/+6This is a really ***** stupid idea, but that doesn't automatically mean it's socialism, sorry bud. The record industry is not owned by the Canadian government, and the 'wealth' from this tax would hardly be distributed equally--there's no way it could be feasibly possible.
- WolfDV, on 12/07/2007, -1/+5WTF ... music piracy = p2p ?!??!
no.. p2p is used for many things besides music, and I am not paying any "extra fees" to use a certain protocol on my Internet connection. - Jadey, on 12/07/2007, -0/+3Not in Canada. The RCMP no longer pursues personal use file sharers.
- actorboy, on 12/07/2007, -0/+3I'm sure the taxes paid by the multi-billion dollar entertainment industry cover that nicely.
- swab, on 12/07/2007, -1/+4Arts programs can be enjoyed by the general population, but if I download a song it's only for my benefit. We shouldn't all have to subsidise that in my opinion.
- Tyr7BE, on 12/06/2007, -0/+3Absolutely. The problem is that many parts of the world don't feel this way. If this was implemented and P2P was essentially made legal in Canada, that's great because we don't have to fear reprisal for downloading. But where would we download from? Oink is gone, because the UK doesn't feel the same. P2P services in the US are under assault. If a safe haven was opened up in Canada you'd bet the feds would come crashing down on it because of pressure from the US.
- stoanhart, on 12/07/2007, -0/+3No kidding. While I would personally be willing to pay a flat rate for the media I download, I don't think every single Internet user should be charged. I'm pretty sure most people would be willing to pay a reasonable fee if they do in fact download *****.
I think it's hilarious that the RI / MPAA are ignoring the willingness of people to pay and driving them to piracy. This has to be the first time in corporate history where there is a high-value demand that content holders are actually _unwilling_ to fill/profit from. - bogdanglushak, on 12/06/2007, -1/+4Just another try to regulate the world wide web. You should remember they recently have tried to forbidden e-mule and arrested some servers. And what? Nothing. The servers are up and working like nothing has happened.
- ZigVicious, on 12/06/2007, -0/+3Syndicate.
- barius, on 12/07/2007, -1/+3Socialism is when government controls business, usually in order to provide some service at a lower cost to society (e.g. Universal Healthcare in Canada). Excessive socialism is bad because it ruins business and hence the economy.
Fascism is when business controls government. The American DMCA is an example of a law that was enacted largely due to RIAA/MPAA lobbying and which is notably detrimental to society, while protecting certain business interests.
In this case it is clearly fascism as the CRIA is pressuring the government to enact changes to the Copyright Act that are purely in their own interest. - Jangles, on 12/06/2007, -1/+3What if you don't pirate music? what if you buy CD's? what if you buy your music legally through iTunes already? can opt out of it then?
This is a much better proposal that our buddies south but there still are some issues I have. $5 minimum a month is a lot. - Allik, on 12/07/2007, -0/+2And you are OK with paying the levy for CD-R's right now?
- BESTenemy, on 12/07/2007, -1/+3It's called: "We can't make people pay for the content. We can't catch people that don't pay for the content, so we're going to punish everyone we can catch, regardless whether they're downloading the content of interest or not."
- Nayamina, on 12/07/2007, -0/+2As someone who does download music, I can see the plus side to this. I already pay the artists through CDs (though I never use the CDs for music. That's what I have an mp3 player for). When reading this I'm not sure where people are getting the idea that it's paying for just p2p. Maybe I'm missing something but to me it just looks like a way to legally distribute music by opting in and it's just added to your ISP's bill. I specifically remember reading in the article that there was an opt-out that would be monitored under the rules of the MPAA. The feeling I get from it is that it would be a $5 a month subscription to all you can download music. Though I do agree that they need to regulate distrobuting the music to the indepent labels as well.
My only major concern is how many other people are going to jump on this bandwagon if it picks up. Next you'll have movie makers and software developers demanding money from it as well and they really jack up the price.
The only way I would pay for this service though would be if they added to the law that if we are paying the fee to download legally, take away the torrent throttling (yes I'm looking at you rogers). I would happily pay the 5 dollar fee if it meant I wasn't getting throttled! If the bastards charge us more to torrent music, then keep throttling it, they can take their service and shove it up their ass. - mr5150, on 12/07/2007, -0/+2Another instance where big business is dictating tax policy to the government. Like the greedy ***** that every western country are, they will enact the policy as a revenue raiser.
Fascism is alive and well in every western democracy. Government pandering to business wants and enacting them in law for revenue gain whilst touting the line of fairness. Watch this ***** spread worldwide once the ***** banners of success start to fly from the government *****. - Saoirse72, on 12/06/2007, -2/+4Not to mention now we will have to pay for free software...from http://sourceforge.net/ which is meant to be a open source website. I am sorry but look at the history of piracy it created macintosh and microsoft.
I do not think all piracy is good....it does economic damage no doubt. There needs to be a better solution1 - geekee, on 12/07/2007, -0/+2Why do you think you have the right to force others who don't use p2p to pay for your habit? They're not your slaves.
- microbefox, on 12/07/2007, -0/+2It is possible us Canadians will have this implemented. I mean we have an extra tax on memory cards just for the song writers anyway as well. They should also note that Films are being distributed over P2P, but that market is largely American. Our music is our livelihood apparently.
- oogee, on 12/07/2007, -0/+2Actually, I would be willing to pay $30 a month for unlimited access to all of those things. I would cancel my cable to pay for it and it would be well worth it.
- MalDON, on 12/07/2007, -0/+2I doubt it would be 5 dollars in America though. Cell carriers charge like 50 cents a text message now. Come on, these companies just want to rape the public.
- Nayamina, on 12/07/2007, -0/+2"Content filtering plans like the one proposed by MPAA head Dan Glickman could police consumers who opt out of the subscription model, keeping the system balanced"
If you don't download anything, opt out. The MPAA is watching you then, but hey, if you don't download anything it won't be a problem will it? - Myztry, on 12/07/2007, -1/+3What about the massive amounts of porn that is downloaded. Porn is a commercial IP property as much as music is. And mean volume would be very similar. Both are media content. What makes the music industry so deserving of sole reimbursement?
- geekee, on 12/07/2007, -1/+3Socialists. Why should I pay for other people's music habits? Why should the govt. regulate the price of music? No surprise given Canada's track record.
- Francky, on 12/07/2007, -0/+2Not with bell your not, they throttle P2P now. All you get is 30 kb/s :| Thats why finding a solution to stop this nonsense would be good
- sroske, on 12/07/2007, -0/+1Perhaps it should be any media connected to the MPAA or RIAA?
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