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- SparQy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5
Sent to info@nettwerk.com:
Re: Lawsuits and the RIAA
It is with great pleasure that I read today about Mr. McBride and Nettwerk's involvement in the case of RIAA v Gruebel. I wish to pass along my congratulations for this refreshing action in the music industry. I'm now on my way to my local record shop to buy a copy of Sarah McLachlan's and Avril Lavigne's latest CDs.
With sincere regards,
Jordan B - WESMAN, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Its things like that that make me proud Im Canadian.
- Guspaz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The Canadian music industry association (CRIA) is just as bad as the RIAA. They tried the sue-all-customers route, which failed (IIRC courts ruled ISPs didn't have to give up ID). They tried to tax consumer products ($40 hard-drive tax on iPods for the longest time, blank CD tax, etc), though the hard-drive tax was overturned in court (Something about legitimate uses for iPods involving purchased music CDs).
Just because they're failing, and just because one company doesn't work like that, doesn't mean that the Canadian music industry in general isn't bad.
Take a look at their propaganda-laden site:
http://www.cria.ca/
For example, did you know that "Two-thirds of Canadians want commitment from parties for stronger laws protecting Canadian musicians from unauthorized downloading"? I mean, personally I call *****, but that is the point of propaganda. - JackDoyle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2title is misleading as they aren't suing anyone.
- cannuck, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Interesting documentary on PBS last week on 100,000 of thousands of "open source folks" (politically called socialists) who left the USA and migrated to the Canadian West and started Canada's first Socialist Party the CCF - which brought universal medical coverage to all Canadians - amongst other advances.
What the PBS didn't cover was the second wave from the USA during the Vietnam Craziness (war) that kick started the film, theatre and music industry in Canada. Ironically there are now 100,000 Canadians living and working in the USA now - in Hollywood - providing prime creative people for the film industry - in writing, directing, acting - especially in the comedy field.
So "open source culture" does work! - meatbites, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I'm not a Canadian, but I just have to say this; Nettwerk Music Group, thanks for skipping over the hyperbole and supporting your audience. You rock.
This publisher guys at least understand its audience. If the industry was operating according to the unrealistic current ideologies of the RIAA, it would always find another large chunk of its remaining audience to attack.
Instead of embracing the power of the internet, the RIAA is inevitably chasing its market away. This is almost ironic, because, all thanks to the internet, we as the listeners and creators of music can far more easily create our own methods for distribution. The internet cannot be stopped.
Take Magnatune (magnatune.com) for example. Its current selection of music could do with a little more, albeit it's only new and is fast growing. Its policy regarding music copying is as follows: "When you buy an album (whether a download or CD) you can pass the download URL and password we've given you, to up to 3 friends. Pass the download information on by email, instant messenger or telepathy: whatever works for you." Why isn't Magnatune afraid of mass-piracy? Because it understands that we as the listeners like to support our artists. And try this on for size: "If you abuse our generosity, we're not going to break down your door and throw you in jail. We just want you to feel a little guilty about it ."
The keyword here is trust. If you openly trust your audience as opposed to suing them, this leads to customer satisfaction, repeat business and the strongest form of marketing -- word of mouth.
When the time comes, it will be a good riddance to RIAA. - cannuck, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1By the way, another Canadian artist, Neil Young , posted his entire new album on National Public Radio in the USA. The program is Fresh Air - which focuses on art, music, theatre, film and sometimes on politics. Terry Gross is likely the best interviewer in North America whether its radio, Tv or in print. She even laughs now and then.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4850911 - Rajio, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Dear Canada, on behalf of all Americans, I would now like to apologize for burning town Toronto during the war of 1812."
Oh that's alright America, we won that war in the end anyway. Besides; While you were doing that, we burnt down the whitehouse, so lets just call it even shall we? ...cheers :) - DCstewieG, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Find more articles here: http://news.google.com/news?q=nettwerk+riaa
- celticeric, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Nettwerk is quite an important player in Canada. They've brought out acts as diverse as Sarah McLaughlin and Skinny Puppy.
- wickedsun, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I cannot help but laugh. This is proof that the RIAA's techniques are not approved by ALL the media companies. Go Nettwerk. What I really like about this story is that Nettwerk *KNOWS* (I repeat, *_*KNOWS*_*) the lady they are defending had the songs on her hard drive. I guess if a Canadian company can PAY to defend someone that HAS downloaded (read, STOLEN) their songs, the RIAA business model is SERIOUSLY flawed.
Real artists, real art. - kdingo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'm surprised no one here has read the article. Nettwerk isn't suing the RIAA at all. They are picking up the tab if the family being sued loses.
Slashdot got it right. http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/06/01/27/0540233.shtml
A bunch of lemmings we are. - deathpasser, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0As much as I hate Avril Lavinge, I'm actually going to go out and buy a CD of hers just for this.
- tawker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0
Guess what. I'm going to walk down the street a bit, give Nettwerk a visit and congratulate them for allowing me to enjoy the music of their artists without DRM and for helping defend against the all mighty RIAA which claims to represent all of the music. - gODfall, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Downloading music is still illegal.........what that person did was still a crime in US law."
-solarwinds.
True it's is a law in the u.s, but hey i thought america was land of the free??
this is either a very smart move for nettwerk or an incredibly dumb one. Hopefully other music giants in the u.s will join nettwerk in their battle.
and solarwinds Canada aint the u.s, we don't need American laws pushed on us and he/she has no right to be sued. The u.s does not own the internet. so the riaa should stay home. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Downloading music is still illegal.........what that person did was still a crime in US law. He/she has a right to be sued.
(Sorry, someone had to say something like that, lol) - alceria, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0kickass.
- j0c1f3r, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Now we need to support Nettwerk in this fight ....send an email, a donation, anything to show em we are behind them....then maybe we can finally put an end to this madness......and as far as you guys who are saying its illegal in the US......that law needs a change.....
- BionicAntboy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Give'r boy!
- HighDecibel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0There's actually a giant in the mountains who plays music...Trust me :D
Anyway, I'm glad about this. I'm still not comfortable buying Cd's of artists unless I know they are getting a fair cut. Would be nice if labels released these figures, because in many ways its our right to know. If I knew the artists were getting a 50/50 cut from album sales, then I would spend money left, right and center. Until that die though, I'm treading lightly. - nuxx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0yay!! now i don't feel so bad for buying Tiesto and BT's new albums!!
- hordak, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This is awesome.
- sirplus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0bout time :) Really Idiotic ***** Aggregation? Right Imbecilic Anti-fun Association? Rather Inconsequential Also-ran Ant-brains! hehe heh. They are such a great villain. So many artists have figured out that they LOVE to give away free mp3s of their BEST material, not the outtakes, duh, not 30 second samples, duh, not lo-fi crap mono versions w/ click-to-buy, duh duh duh. while those silly models still show up here and there, what you see more of is real high quality mp3s from recording artists that really rock. they see it as airplay now. give it away, so people can know about you. duh. then they might buy a ticket, a CD, a t-shirt, etc. so, try and get your song on Clear Channel! or post an mp3 on your site or myspace, or your label's site. hmm. lets see, try and get an RIAA deal so they can pay millions to try and market you in competition with all the great free stuff coming out, for which you have a snowball's chance in hell for ever getting royalties anyway, or share your music on the web for next to nothing. mm, tough call! duh, duh.. it's 2006! this was obvious to a 12 year old when Napster was Napster.
- rijet0711, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Canada Canada Canada!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Oh Canada!
- ericscampbell, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Why does Canada rock so much?
...and more to the point, when did America stop? Was it a certain event in America's history? or has it just been gradually becoming more oppressive? - seeSharp, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1This just in....
Today, the RIAA has announced that it has filed a lawsuit against a Mr. Gessolsplat and his coworker, Mr. Blatsendorpher, seeking damages in excess of $9,000 each. The RIAA filed the lawsuit after obtaining "hard" evidence that Mr. Blatsendorpher was listening to the music Mr. Gessolsplat was playing on his computer, and since Mr. Blatsendorpher had not payed a royalty to do so, he violated the law.
Although officials from the RIAA were not available for comment, Mr. Blatsendorpher said "I'm moving to Canada!" - GreenStop, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Here is their email info@nettwerk.com if anyone wants to say Hi.
yay for canada boo to riaa - jnareb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Other links:
MarketWire: http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release_html_b1?release_id=107623
Michael Geist: http://www.michaelgeist.ca/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1088&Itemid=113&nsub=
MTV: http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1522669/20060127/index.jhtml?headlines=true
Canada.com: http://www.canada.com/topics/technology/story.html?id=28f6a01c-084c-4fc4-9594-a5d3dd1ff02e&k=13592
globeandmail: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20060130.wnettwerk0130/BNStory/Technology/
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20060206.gtmcbride06/BNStory/Technology/home - dimatt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0i noticed that too diot3d :p
- jimthetaff, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Where are all the "downloading music is stealing!" people right now? I don't see any comments from them. Usually they are pretty vocal when these sorts of stories come up.
Hello over there?
Seems like there's a bit of an echo over on their side.
totally agree I hate those dumb *****!
I'm so proud to be British! (We own Canada) - CdnPhoto, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Add one more proud Canadian.
This kind of bullying has to stop. Glad to see we've got the people to start the changes. - aonaran, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"How did they get the family's personal information? At this point, in Canada, ISPs do NOT have to respond to supoenas (sp?) asking to convert IPs to user info. How did this happen? Does the family have a US ISP?"
Uh, Nettwerk is Canadian, but the family is Texan. Unless Texas finally did separate from the USA and decided to join Canada those rules don't apply down there. - DCstewieG, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0kdingo: You're right. I named this the same as The Register did...they changed their article title.
- trickmcsneak, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0legends.
- meatbites, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0My bad, "This publisher guys" should read "This publisher".
- Zorn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0W00T-O-RAMA!!!!
- xaviel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Amen.
- Illidan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Emailed info@nettwerk.com. Thanked em.
I'll be buying a BNL cd. I hope you guys pop off a message and support them for this. - joebus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Yea, they are not suing them, but they are paying the bill for the defense.
"it says, because the songs downloaded by the Gruebel family include Avril Lavigne, a Nettwerk management client. Nettwerk will fund the Gruebel's defense."
So they will help the fight with payments for a good lawyer, and if they happen to lose, then they will also foot the bill. - dramatools, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Don't buy Avril and Sarah's US releases... they're released by Sony BMG. Support Nettwerk by buying direct: http://www.werkshop.com
- lemon404, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0w00t!
- andellmoon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This is awesome!
- phunlee, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1So the RIAA doesn't even align itself w/artists it's suing on behalf? That's stupid.Where would the money go if it won? This is getting beyond ridiculous.
- mistshadow2k4, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1""Heh, the RIAA's own labels are starting to turn on them."
Um, a Canadian label isn't the "RIAA's own"
Hmmm... yes and no. A Canadian music label isn't a part of the RIAA per se, but fromw hat I've been observing over the past few years most of the equivalent organizations in other countries, includingCanada, have either following the RIAA's lead or just doing much the same thing. So a music label standing up to the RIAA (or similar association) is only one step removed from one of their own turning on them. That's my take, anyhow.
If I only had some champagne right now..... - darkwolfbc, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Its about time. Hopefully other record labels will do the same and sue the RIAA for everything that they are worth.
- idesign, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Another very proud Canadian... except for this whole Stephen Harper thing.
Nettwork is a fantastic label that has always been 'artist first', cutting through the corporate BS and allowing artists to fully explore their musical inspiration and creativity. I've personally spent a good chunk of change supporting Nettwork artists, and now that i've just found this https://www.werkshop.com/nettmusic/faqs.jsp i think i'll spend more.
Support labels like this! - compu73rg33k, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Finally someone is figuring out that the RIAA sueing it's customers isn't going to make people say "Hey, even though the RIAA sued me, I think I'll go buy some CDs adn give them some more money."
- IHaveIssues, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0How did they get the family's personal information? At this point, in Canada, ISPs do NOT have to respond to supoenas (sp?) asking to convert IPs to user info. How did this happen? Does the family have a US ISP?
- masterdebater, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Send em a letter of support (http://www.nettwerk.com/about.jsp) - Contact links in the page.
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