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- nogami, on 10/12/2007, -3/+76Exactly. We pay about $0.20 on EVERY BLANK CD WE BUY. So as long as we're burning whatever we download on CD-Rs that we've paid the levy on, then the music industry doesn't have a leg to stand on.
You can't have it both ways folks, either we pay a levy and are in the clear, or we pay no levy and are evil, evil pirates.
N. - aliensoldier, on 10/12/2007, -6/+69It's not piracy in Canada. Canadian law allows us to LEGALLY download any and all music off of the Internet.
We pay a levy that is suppose to pay musicians for the music. - Robin110, on 11/07/2007, -8/+63It's hard work being #1
- sbasund, on 10/12/2007, -8/+60O Piracy,
We pay levys on CDs.
True music love in all thy sons command.
With growing P2P we see thee rise,
The True North strong and pirated!
From far and wide,
O Piracy, we share our music on P2P.
God keep our music glorious and free!
O Piracy, we share our music on P2P.
O Piracy, we share our music on P2P. - mightymouse, on 10/12/2007, -3/+54Thats cuz our government didn't deem it illegal :)
- puneypunk, on 10/12/2007, -3/+50"It's astonishing that a sophisticated nation like Canada has dragged its feet for so long while the rest of the world has adapted its copyright laws to the digital age," no their Copyright laws _are_ sophisticated, the rest of the world are the ones out of date. Piracy will always be there, so let it flourish!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -12/+54I love them!
- mglmouser, on 10/12/2007, -3/+44There's a lot of misconception about canadian laws. Like the pot thing. It's not legalized. It's decriminalized. This means that for simple possession, you get fines but no criminal records. Simple possession is described as carrying a small amount (not sure about that number) with no obvious intent of reselling.
This kind of misconception also applies for music. It's legal to make copies of CDs (even DVDs) because you've acquired the rights of the content for your *personal use* (aka, with no intent to resell). Such right is granted so you can make archive copies (backup) of your media or re-factor them in another format to avoid hardware dependance (aka, buy some movie format and it goes bust in 2 years and you have to buy same media again for new format--think Beta/VHS or upcoming Blue-Ray/HD-DVD).
Edit: so, to recap, it's not illegal to copy music, but it's illegal to hand copies (weither selling them or not) to someone else. You may, however, lend an original to someone but lending it indefinitely is interpreted as illegal distribution. - jull1234, on 11/07/2007, -15/+55Those Canadians... It seems like a utopia until you remember that their southern border is our northern border.
- babbling, on 10/12/2007, -3/+41Canada is such a sensible country. As an Australian who has just come back from a couple of months in Sweden, I noticed that Australia is becoming more or less as crazy as the US. Sweden is another country that pretty much has its head screwed on the right way. I would like to move to Canada or Sweden one day, if the situation doesn't improve in Australia.
Globally, people need to start doing a lot more research into politics, and start voting the right way, or else the world is going to spiral out of control. The loonies that are currently elected in the US, Britain, and Australia are ready to start a third world war, and they probably will unless they are voted out of power in the next elections.
Everyone needs to contribute to change things. Do some research into the most sane political party in your country, and vote for them. In Australia, The Greens seem to be the best option and will get my vote next year. - RickySan65, on 10/12/2007, -13/+49"When they're not growing weed, playing hockey, or having gay marriages"
Ok thats a stupid remark, we could say the same about Americans, something like "when they're not busy waging war, electing idiots into office, or in general just being clued out about the world around them".. - pudquick, on 10/12/2007, -2/+30This is the first salvo in the RIAA's war against Canadian laws. Borders mean nothing to them, they want our draconian laws in every country of the world. Since Canada is the closest and easiest to pressure, expect more 'shock' stories like this, followed by chatter in the parliament leading to 'a call to war against this outrage' and a need to 'fix Canada's world-image', etc etc.
I feel sorry for Canada having to live so close to us :( - tyson, on 10/12/2007, -15/+43who said that was a bad thing though :P im totally proud to be canadian, my country isnt controled by the media and some retard president that cant even read off of a god damn peice of paper infront of people. lol also most people in canada are not greedy and NEED A LOT OF $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. i feel bad for the yankee's that have to live in the country.
-Tyson - antipro, on 10/12/2007, -5/+31well what are you doing next weekend?
- JamesGolick, on 10/12/2007, -3/+28Oh gosh...we have so many people we'd like to thank.
We'd like to thank the academy, for presenting us with this very prestigious award. We'd like to thank our cast and crew... - sporkwitch, on 10/12/2007, -2/+27Speak for yourself greg. You are right, just because he's illiterate and an atrocious public speaker doesn't make him a poor president. Being a retard, picking fights, decimating an already poor global public oppinion of our country, and, oh yeah, turning the $400+ billion surplus Clinton left him with into an $800+ billion DEFICIT before the end of his first term.
He's also knocked us back decades in civil rights. Attempts to outlaw gay marriage (did he succeed? I can't remember, it got buried in the war news), outlawing late term abortions (with ZERO stipulations for exception in case of a mother being guaranteed to die as well if she carries the child to term, and no stipulation for rape cases), attempts to outlaw abortion outright. Those "warrant" thingies you're supposed to get if you want to tap your citizens' phone lines? Bah, what does he need those for, even though he's given THREE DAYS AFTER the tap takes place to acquire a warrant and, IIRC, a judge has only ONCE refused a request for one of these warrants.
Are you getting the point now? The guy's a retard and has been one of the worst things to happen to this country in decades. - jakethecake, on 10/12/2007, -2/+24Hah ;) Pirating anything (music, games, movies) was legal until a year ago in Sweden :D And Bittorrent is still very much legal, regardless of content. An IP'adress is considered a 'personal id' and protected by our privacy laws. weee,, and that's how we defeat the us backed WTO with TRIPS(Council and intellectual property in the WTO).
- mattclare, on 10/12/2007, -4/+25Go team!
- 3Den, on 10/12/2007, -3/+23Err, ,let's correct that.
Weed is not decriminalized in Canada... it's still quite illegal, on the books at least.
The fact that you wont' get more than a slap on the wrist for simple possession merely reflects two things:
1) Changing attitudes towards weed.... we just don't really care to make a big deal out of it
2) The police, courts, and government being more sensible and spending their time on more serious issues.
Non-commerical copying of music is okay in Canada. Distribution is not.
I can lend you a CD, and you can copy it, neither of us has broken the law.
If I make a copy and give it to you, I'm distributing copies without permission.
When this comes to downloading, the legal opinion, as silly as it sounds, is "Downloading is not illegal, uploading is"
IN the end, though, I think Canadians have better things to spend their time and effort on than criminalizing music copying.. it's made our society richer and more interesting, and coroprations often don't have the same amount of legal pull as they would in the US. - fireball74, on 10/12/2007, -1/+21Canada has a CD-R tax/levy that gets paid to the recording industry, so why call them pirates? The artists, et al. get paid even if the CD-R's aren't used for music.
In the US, we have no such tax, except for the few "music only" CD-R's (who really buys those anyway?). What we do have is the RIAA breathing down our necks and treating us like criminals, even though their music sales over all have been going up. Sure, CD sales are sliding, but that money is being shifted to iTunes, Rhapsody, et al.. Yet, the Recording cartel says they lose some huge and imaginary amount of money to piracy. The money isn't lost, it's reallocated to online music purchases, which makes more sense. Considering I can now legally download my favorite songs, and leave the rest of the crap normally on the CD out and not pay one cent for it.
Yes, I can see why the RIAA is so against online distribution of music. They can't charge you $15USD for maybe 2 good songs, otherwise known as screwing the consumer. - JAC34, on 10/12/2007, -1/+21And when the heck is the CRTC going to get off their Butt and make it so we can download video from itunes!!! They wonder why piracy is so rampid when they don't create the environment for us to do it legal..?? Duh!!
- Robin110, on 10/12/2007, -6/+23Damn, i scored a zero on the Canadian stereotypes listed. I'm not growing weed, playing hockey, or having gay marriages.
- datter, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16We are also the world leader in the manufacturing of Canadians. Per capita, Canada produces more Canadians than any other country *in the world*. It's true.
- MrZop, on 10/12/2007, -5/+21Thank you, Thank you. It takes alot of work and commitment to do all those things. we have to partition our time well.
ooh, My torrents done. - feeboo, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18i mother earth
our lady peace (the first album anyway)
sum 41
rush
gordon lightfoot
sloan
alanis morrisette
paul anka
bachman turner overdrive (get to the working overtime part!)
the guess who
gowan (classic, classic 80s music)
great big sea
ronnie hawkins
shania twain
colin james
andy kim (the voice of the archies)
anne murray
men without hats
moist (again, a first album thing but it was good)
steppenwolf
trooper
teenage head
barenaked ladies
that music won't be to everyone's taste. it isn't all to mine. but the majority of those bands have lots of fans in the states if you look hard enough and many are recognized world wide. canadian music rocks, you just have to remember our population is a 10th of yours so our output will follow suit.
and as an aside, canada got one less medal than the states with 10 times less the population. i guess us crazy canucks are good at some things besides piracy :) - yensed, on 10/12/2007, -5/+20Not Racist, But rude.. And I'm An American! But, Canada, ROCKON!
- ralphmalph, on 10/12/2007, -6/+19Canadians rock. I wish I was Canadian. There they are just a border away and they've got so much figured out that we do not. Michael Moore got it right in Bowling for Columbine. I'm gonna move to Vancouver, man. Nice thinking Canada - CD R tax - now that's simplicity itself. Nice.
- vlsi0n, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17i want to move to canada, i want to move to canada and not because of this article... Canada is clearly a better place to live than usa IMHO.
- philovivero, on 10/12/2007, -7/+20@Nogami: In the United states, the music cartel does have it both ways. We pay the blank media tax, AND get accused of stealing when we copy. Don't worry. Your government will also get bought out by the corps soon, and you'll get to join your southern neighbor's legal morass!
- gatessucks, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13The author in this brief, and albeit uniformed article completely distorts the truth. A point of clarification Canadians pay tax on CD-R's as well as any form of digital media... That's right, there are levies on Hard Drives, Flash memory and even iPod (I believe the iPod levy has been recently overturned in the courts... I would have to double check this).
In it decision a few years ago the supreme court of Canada heard arguments that sharing digital music was illegal, and a violation of copyright. They ruled that, although sharing digital media can be used in an illegal manner, they where not willing to circumvent our privacy laws to allow the recording industry to gain access to clients names. A persons privacy is more important that copyright. Further, the sharing of digital media is nothing more than an extension of the sharing of tapes, or other media which have persisted, up until now uncontested. The court ruled that it was not their place to make decisions regarding the digital use or non-use of copyrighted material.... they ruled that it was up to the industry to protect itself through technology, one it (the industry) proved it could protect itself, they could petition the courts for aid if this protection was being violated. - MrZop, on 10/12/2007, -5/+17Its more of a generization or a sterotype then being racist.
i'm used to it. and to be honest. its kinda true. - Fezzik, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10You just had to mention Celine, didn't you.
We finally got rid of her (sent her to Vegas) and now you dredge her up again.
Frankly, I'd rather we were assoiciated with "growing weed, playing hockey, or having gay marriages" - tecmec, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14I'm canadian and I dont do any of those things. But hows that racist? I mean comon.
- ThePhilomath, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9All nations with television are controlled by the media to a large extent - Don't kid yourself!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11So beautiful...*tear*
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -14/+22Yes it is a utopia, except for the French people. We don't like the French. They can all leave, no one would mind.
- Spankophile, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9I'm not sure if you're just trying to make fun of your "awful music." The real point is that Candian artists would probably LOVE for you to pirate a ton of music, and share it as far and wide as you can.
It's called exposure! And artists want it, need it, and love it. The music industry doesn't want that, they want to be the sole promoter of popular music, and make money from controlling that access. Don't let them. - onishenko, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8you'll also be paying $400 K for a cheap house. Aside from that, Vancouver is the most beautiful city on Earth.
- zetsurin, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9As another Aussie, I agree what you say about our govenment. However, I don't think the greens will ever gain a significant number of votes as some of their policies aren't sustainable/practical. I thought One Nation were the only party to ever show the balls to really try to change the system. Of course, they got beaten up/misrepresented and lost. If their figurehead wasn't such an airhead they might have gone better.
- sporkwitch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7If you actually believe the musician gets buggerall for those CD sales, you're the ignorant one.
- play150, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10whoa, canadians rock
- ionix18, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8It's not $0.20 it's $0.21 :)
Here are some infos from http://neil.eton.ca/copylevy.shtml
A mp3 player of more than 10Gb has a 25$ levy.
You can escape that levy by buying your CDs on ebay since you are doing a personal import.
Also, we still cannot share music or anything on the p2p network but we CAN download anything we want... Here is the complete info:
Can I legally share music over the internet?
The simple answer is NO.
If you post a song on the internet, or make it available to others via a peer-to-peer network, or if you send it to someone as an email attachment or via FTP, you are considered to be making a public transmission of the work. It is also clearly not for your own private use. You would be infringing copyright unless you had explicit permission from the rights holders.
However, unless the legislation is changed or the courts interpret matters differently, it appears that making a private copy for your own use of a musical work downloaded in any manner from the internet is not an infringement of copyright. In their decision, the Copyright Board states:
The regime does not address the source of the material copied. There is no requirement in Part VIII that the source copy be a non-infringing copy. Hence, it is not relevant whether the source of the track is a pre-owned recording, a borrowed CD, or a track downloaded from the Internet.
The more complex answer to the question posed above is you cannot post a song on the internet in any manner, but you can make a private copy of any songs you find on the net. - JC-Sharp, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11Exactly.. Basically stating facts..
There's nothin better than having a couple beers and playing some hockey. - HarryBauzonia, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7We like Canadians a lot. That's why we rag on them and they rag on us. That's just what friends do.
- andytech, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I found the numbers in the article quite interesting... let's be generous and assume that 100% of the loss in sales was solely due to piracy (as opposed to, say, the music being crap). A 4% drop, to $536m, means that piracy cost them about $22.3m in lost sales. Divide that by the 1.6 billion music files allegedly swapped annually, and that makes the "actual loss" they suffer for each file traded about 1.4 cents....
- swazo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7@chair
hell yes, those are two amazing bands, along with Of Montreal, Broken Social Scene, Stars, Metric, Hot Hot Heat, Wolf Parade and many others - calabria, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7canada also has the most computers per capita, this fact could help this statistic along a bit
- sirber, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Viva Canada! :D
And it's French part, Québec :P - Elranzer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7When they're not spreading "the faith", playing Madden, or being homophobic, Americans are busy being more annoying than any other nation in the world, and it's hurting the global community. Oh noes!
- Batiu-Drami, on 10/12/2007, -22/+29+digg, purely because the description is awesome
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