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- stealthboy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7This makes too much sense. Too many people will spend money on music and appreciate new artists. They'll enjoy experimenting with new acts. CD sales will be up, both new and used CDs.
Therefore, the RIAA must stop this. - smackfu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Yet no one cares that your local library loans out CDs.
- adml_shake, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I'm thinking that they will be getting a very nice (but probably unenforceable) C&D order from the RIAA soon.
- LNahid2000, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I know. The biggest library in Canada is 20 minutes from me and I could get every single CD I ever wanted from there. And that's free, not 30% of the price of a CD.
- celeb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3good point smakfu, but our library even lends out DVD's (good titles too) saves so much from having to go to blockbuster
- Tazwolff, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3If your local stores wont allow returns, sell on ebay. Better yet, avoid the RIAA fully and buy it used off of ebay then rip/burn and sell it back on ebay. Or just download a flac copy of the CD you want, burn it, then send $5 directly to the artist. That’s more money than what the RIAA gives them, and they’ll thank you for it.
- B111, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Wait so the store is selling more CDs, making members of the RIAA more money and they are complaining.
Not surprising, this battle has never been (directly) about money. It has been about power and control. Control over what you listen to, how you listen to it, when you listen to it, and on what device you listen to it. The *ss clowns at the RIAA see their wholly controlled manufacturing and distribution cabal collapse and are grasping at what little there is left. Control everything, and all the profit goes to you!
The future is coming, artists are going to produce, market, and distribute their art without them soon enough. That is the last piece. We already get our music through our distribution channels not owned by the members of the RIAA (legal or otherwise).
They had their chance to adapt and change, to even make a nice profit from it. But they're greedy.
Try and eat the whole pie and you are going to get indigestion. - adamgoldberg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It's illegal to rent music CDs (without permission). This store's policy seems to be directly in violation of the Record Rental Amdment of 1984. See 17 U.S.C. 109(b)(1).
- larfus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The RIAA needs to embrace new and creative business models.
- Leonaken, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It's always good to hear merchants willingly adapt to the times as opposed to aging store policies and the 'new technology is used for crime' attitude. I hope this has an effect on the record industry in some way.
- tylerni7, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Sadly, it wouldn't suprise me if the Riaa did sut down libraries. And then start burning books... and CDs... and hard drives... and the internet.
- kcappraiser, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I think that 7th Heaven in KC does the same thing. Seems like they have been doing it for years if I remember correctly, they just don't have a catchy name for it. Honestly, I just download live music from the artists I like. Usually there are some quality issues but if you can find one with good quality in my opinion it is better than a studio recording. Probably just the bands I listen to. As far as I know downloading live shows that were not officially released by the record company is legal.
- CaptSnuffy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1the RIAA is anti-music
- mc_hambone, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1A store I used to work at has been doing this for 3 years:
http://millenniummusic.com/
Although they (like the store here) couldn't explicitly say it - they merely charged a 20% "restocking fee" if you returned it opened, no questions asked. But it was definitely promoted as a way for people to "rent" CDs in order to burn them. This actually wasn't as popular as I thought it would be. However, it WAS during the Napster boom.
They also allow you to open any CD in the store to listen before you buy, before these crappy scanners that play 30 sec. clips. - DataLifePlus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1There is a store called Jelly's here in hawaii that does the same thing.
- psyonide, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Libraries are different from businesses. It's not that the RIAA "doesn't care," they just can't do anything about it.
- asplodzor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"LOL, like anyone will actully send $5 to the artist..."
I've done it once or twice...
...ok, once. - hold_steady, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1There is no way in hell the RIAA is gonna let this slide.
- jrmcgrath13, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I like the idea of sending $5 to the artists... I think I may start doing that actually.
- Shish, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1> Put that single mother of 3 kids who is a secretary at
> hte record comany out of work!
And you'll also be putting out of work:
o) Nasty looking men who kick puppies
o) Child abusers
o) Thieving goblins
Both these comments brought to you by ***** Corp(tm) - A more popular internet news source than Wikipedia o/ - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Library is funded by your tax dollar, duh!!!
- sogo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Time for the cd stores to evolve
- Drum, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0If it keeps them in the black, creative business model. As long as the **AA doesn't sue them for encouraging it (I suspect they just turn around the returns and sell them used at 75% price, no returns allowed? Would keep their inventory high, make CD collectors happy).
- linuxbox, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2I had a rant the other day about this. The main reason I don't buy cds is the fact I rip it once and never use it again. Paying $18 for 700MB+- of data transfer is crazy.
- deadlychicken, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"WSJ experiencing the digg effect? I can't get the site to come up for me. What about everyone else?"
Just You
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"It's illegal to rent music CDs (without permission). This store's policy seems to be directly in violation of the Record Rental Amdment of 1984. See 17 U.S.C. 109(b)(1)."
I haven't read the amendment, but it seems to me to be the exact same return policy other stores have, which is just return within one week or ten days, and get a refund or partial refund if the package is opened. That's why i don't think it counts as renting... - just_chris, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I don't see how there is any way for the RIAA to put a stop to this. What will they do, make it illegal to buy used CD's?
I think it's a great idea, and may even get people buying CD's again. I'd much rather have a bit perfect copy, or at least a copy at a high bitrate instead of the crap you find from online sources. - Gorbash, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Isn't that what everyone does with Netflix or Blockbuster.com?
- ajcannon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0WSJ experiencing the digg effect? I can't get the site to come up for me. What about everyone else?
- BobMac, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Tower Records has had that policy for years. Only they didn't really advertise it nor did they come right out and basically grant the customer permission to steal the music.
- mrmatchgame, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0library are created for Retails by the Goverment. The RIAA & MPAA are not going against the library, because nobody really owns(In terms of a person buying an item and owning it) and you just borrowing it and return in the hoops of not making illege copies. See Money is what it is a library dosn't make money and a store does. Why go after something that dosn't make money?
- BETA7, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0wow this is freakin awsome! man i wish they had this option all around the world with music albums and videos cuz after about 20 days of listening to something u get bored and u would return it or burn it for something lol but sweet id be buying movies and albums like crazy if i had this guys store near me heh
- celeb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I'm sure gorbash, but the library is one up on them... the library is free (minus gas or legwork to get to the library of course)
- adamgoldberg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Someone who lives nearby might go by there and suggest they retain competent legal counsel. The copyright expects I've spoke with have absolutely no doubt that this runs afoul of the "no renting" provisions. There's no shortage of competent attorneys out there, but if they want a recommendation, I can make one.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0post the url - ill do it
i bet the artists dont make $5/ cd - Maajid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"I know. The biggest library in Canada is 20 minutes from me and I could get every single CD I ever wanted from there. And that's free, not 30% of the price of a CD."
Thats it, I'm moving to canada :'( - sbbrian1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I think that there is nothing that the RI AA can do about this which is great. The "Buy it,Burn it,Return it" return policy is not Illegal rental of CDs, and it is not suggesting anything. It's what it is, the name of a return policy! No matter if they call it "Buy it, Rip it, Return it" or the "President Bush" return policy. All the Scott's need to do is Justify the 30-25% restocking fee on the 10 day return policy w/ a excuse that they clean, label used, and re-shinkwrap the CDs they should be fine. That's like someone making a big deal to Mc Donald's because the sell a "Big and Tasty" Burger I'm sure we can find someone to argue that neither big nor tasty it's just the name of the burger!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I think the problem they may face is that this store is encouraging this behavior, rather than allowing it
- schroeder, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0jkfan87-
Just because a woman has a job because of the RIAA or a major label, doesn't make what their doing fair or right. I'm sure the kids Nike hires in third world countries need the 30 cent/hr work to survive or they wouldn't do it... doesn't make it right.
I think the only problem the RIAA can raise is the same with P2P, that if you advertise to copy/pirate it you're somehow breaking copyright and fair use. - BishopAzrael, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"..just send the artist $5..."
Feel me out on this one. Setup a checking account just for this. Then write checks to the artists themselves. Get their names, you know, how ever, VH1 or something, Biography maybe, but send it to THEM.
Send it to them, and they cash it. Wouldnt it be hillarious to find out who's actually CASHING the checks? Does it go to them? Could you imagine if we all started doing this?
"Dear Dr. Dre,
I have downloaded alot of your music and here is a check for $50. Since it is your music I'm sending you the check, not the RIAA. Please enjoy the easiest $50 you ever made."
Now if he got hundreds of those, or say, Madonna, what would the effect be? All of a suddend the RIAA would be going into convulsions over it.
I think I might. I'm going to setup a website for this I think, and see what happens. Open a free checking account and see what happens. - XStatic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0So many diggs for a password protected WSJ story....
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0LOL, ya, make dr.Dre and Madonna even richer.
- samgab, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I really want to support artists that create music I enjoy. I'm happy to provide money for them.
BUT I HATE padding the already fat pockets of the greedy music company execs! I hate that the artists only get a drop of the money that goes towards a CD sale.
I would MUCH rather send the artist money direct.
The record company execs are SUCH hypocrites, saying that "it's art, not a commodity". Well, yes, that STATEMENT is true, but they aren't in it for the art, they're just in it to make money. Makes me sick. - snoots, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Wow, I'm surprised to see this with so many Diggs! There's one of these in the town right next to mine. North Jersey represent! Lol...
I've always thought that policy was pretty cool. The owner's a pretty nice guy. This is a pretty small chain, mind you. I believe they have 5 stores. - kilodelta, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0as far as i know, it's still totally LEGAL to download music in Canada. just so long as it isn't shared after you've taken it.
(Cut and Paste from CanFLI.org)
Is it legal to download music from the Internet without the permission of the copyright holder?
Yes, in our view. Although this point has yet to be tested in a Canadian court, s. 80.(1) of the Copyright Act allows anyone to copy music for the private use of the person making the copy. The Copyright Board has found that the Copyright Act does not require that the source or target medium be lawfully owned, e.g. using a stolen prerecorded CD to make a private copy on a stolen CD-R involves two instances of theft but no copyright infringement. Thus, if Joe downloads a Nickelback single from Sue's computer for his own private use, Joe would likely not be considered to have infringed Nickelback's copyright under the Copyright Act, however Sue may have. See also "Is it legal to share music over the Internet without the permission of the copyright holder?".
oh yeah. dugg. - modpancake, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Really interesting article.
- Grub, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0interesting o.o
- Jon2x4, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Hey who took my idea on how to get free music.lol
- Cozmcphish, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Great Digg! Very interesting article.
- thepunishert, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0that's sad, that place is a few miles down from were I live
- notman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0I hope it catchs on. Nice article. Dugg
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