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- truebullfan, on 10/12/2007, -4/+27Allofmp3.com is such a great service. No DRM, All types of formats, high quality and extremely cheap. Only problem is the music isnt tagged. Only if itunes could give higher quality bitrate like 192 and maybe lower price it would get people to come over once allofmp3.com is taken down if it ever is.
- Zer0Fade, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16The music industry just keeps shooting themselves in the foot. They complain about a site and advertise the site all over the place saying that they will take em down. You can see how well that worked with TPB.org.
Oh well, Allofmp3.com could use free advertising courtesy of our [sarcasm] friends at the RIAA /[sarcasm] - Etheo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16Heh, surely we all see the irony here that this is only going to surge the traffic even more ;)
- danrien, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11it may still be illegal but since you aren't sharing it with anyone, it's not like the RIAA can figure out that you downloaded them.... unless they somehow get a hold of AllofMP3's records.
- bennyboy371, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Yeah, in America its not any more legal than downloading from P2P networks. Then again, you can't really cite the whole royalty thing, as the labels are what cash in on those, not the artists. I think they barely make jack from iTunes.
I love how they let everyone in the public know about these services through condemning them, though. Its hilarious. - stimpack, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Its quite an easy method and provides a number of different formats and bitrates all identically volumed.
On bittorrent I find it hard to find the bitrates I like and volume levels differ radically. You clearly have better torrent sites than me :) - MarkByers, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5'If its not legal....'
It's legal though. Even the BBC thinks so! http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4875142.stm
I quote:
'The most popular legal download site is iTunes with 44% of the market. This is followed by Moscow-based AllOfMP3.com, which accounts for 14% of legal downloads, according to the report.' - MarkByers, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Use PayPal and don't link your account directly to your credit card. Use at least one level of indirection.
- ErrandboyOfDoom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@Boondoggle
Actually, they use a Scandanavian company for all their billing, your credit card info is one step removed from anyone in Russia.
Accusing all business people in Russia of being mafiosos is kinda like accusing all Arabs of being terrorists. It's especially embarassing when the facts are just a google away. - Jag197, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"Only problem is the music isnt tagged"
Not true, if you use their allTunes application instead of the web interface all music is perfectly tagged. You can even specify a naming convention for files using a syntax such as %num% - %title% (%artist%).
I'd really recommend trying their program, it's a very nice bit of software. - ErrandboyOfDoom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"another problem is that they don't pay fair royalties to artists"
It's agreed ROMS pays lower royalties than ASCAP, but lower doesn't necessarily mean unfair. As the market for music becomes globalised, more copies of an individual song will get sold. We're going to choose between making creators much richer or making culture cheaper. Maybe cheaper culture is the better choice. Micropayments, basically.
Now, maybe artists deserve lower royalties, but ROMS still pays them too little. Hard data on what ROMS actually pays would be nice. - ErrandboyOfDoom, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4"Yeah, in America its not any more legal than downloading from P2P networks."
There are good arguments that allofmp3 is legal in America, since we don't really police your blackmarket transactions abroad. But it hasn't been tested either way in the courts, and there's not an explicit statute on it, so we really don't know for sure.
So basically you're buying a tiny amount of legitimacy for a tiny price. You probably get at least what you pay for. - whahaa, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3am i the only one who finds it curious that allofmp3 is the only one of these russian music sites that has been in the news? i mean there are several others that do the same job and some are even cheaper. i won't mention their urls here... my completely false paranoia tells me it might be cuz the riaa hasn't found out about them yet and i dont wanna be the one to tip them off via digg.
but anyway... why allofmp3 and not the other sites? - Boondoggle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@ Archer & Czar: I like how all of a sudden "legal" equals "right". You turd sniffers sound like the RIAA.
- JohnnyNova, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7These people are common thieves. As owner of an independent record label that releases mainly vinyl I am ambivalent towards regular p2p, but at least for us its a way to reach an audience that might otherwise be hard to get at. As long as their is no profit involved fine. But these people just take music and make money off it with unauthorized files that are sometimes taken straight from p2p networks, without any of our consent. There is a whole world of small labels out there that are being ripped off but lack the muscle to do anything about it. I dislike the RIAA as much as the next guy, but these Russian pirates should be tortured, hung and shot.
- Sadiq786, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Well, technically, you aren%u2019t breaking the law because you are paying for the music, and after all the music might be cheaper in Russia because the currency is worth less, so in order for Russians to be able to afford the music it has to be cheaper. Also, there isn't any thing on the site that gives the user and reason to suspect that they are participating in an illegal activity; no sex ads, no porn, in English, and a professional-looking design.
Just leave it to geeks and nerd alike to find a cheap (or free) solution to all software, music and video needs.:) - ericnmu, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6They are teaching the RIAA a valuable business model that works.
- sspooner, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I agree. These people are nothing more the scumbag mobsters.
I feel sorry that you, as an independent label, are being ripped off by these people.
The average person here on Digg doesn't believe people like you exist, in their minds they think the service is great because it's cheap, but in reality it's cheap because these people do no fund the record labels, they simply rip-off the content and sell it.
Shame on the suckers here for actually buying into that idea.
I really, really hope that this company gets taken down, and believe me, they will.
These guys are such scum they'll likely sell your credit card info and personal info to hacker rings, or worse, you D/L records to the RIAA. - UnknownCzar, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4As said above by Archer, Allofmp3 is a legal site run by a legal business like any other. Besides, the Russian mafia has better things to do then sell songs.
If the labels are complaining that their music is being "stolen" then they should go and register with ROMS. They will get their ruble per song that they are promised under Russian law (I think it's a ruble, gonna have to check on that)
Anyways, unlike the US and other WTO countries, folks in Russia don't have to ask permission to sell copyrighted songs, but they do have to pay copyright owners (through ROMS). It's a system created to help people spend time less on bureaucratic nonsense and instead get down to business.
This may seem weird to Americans, and even wrong, but it's the way the country is and your laws don't affect it (yet, cuz Russia has been wanting to join WTO, but so far couldn't)
Anyways, if RIAA really does want sites like this down, then they should use their political power to make the US help Russia join the WTO, at which point Allofmp3 will need to ask permission, and will have to pay the amount the record companies demand. - sspooner, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"You offer your music at the same prices they do and watch your business grow. You might even get people who otherwise would not even try you. So how is that for a proven business model.
These sites are just satisfying pent up demand, iTunes has shown that it is possible to be profitable at that price point but you guys want to eat your cake and have it too. Also rape the consumer in the process."
I'm pretty sure that those prices cannot cover the costs,the records labels would quickly go bust.
You see, they do not pay a fair royalty, which in turn does not cover the costs of the record label to sign another artist or fund another album. in effect, using AllofMP3 is actually discouraging the bands you love so much from creating another album. You have to remember that DRM exists purely and simply because people keep on ripping off content, it'll never go away until people realize the content is the part that costs the money, not the damn CD it came on or the net connection to download it.
What do you want ? An email from your favorite bands to tell you that it's not fair to them ? - Rojahon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@danrien,
I'm just curious. If you aren't the one distributing the music, are you really breaking copy right law? I may be showing my ignorance here, but I think it's interesting. You never hear of people being busted for downloading songs, it's always distributing them. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2You can't be serious. That crap you watch on MTV Cribs comprises about 1% of the people who make music for a living.
- Sapperlite, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Yea, I feel bad for the poor artists as well. I mean barely getting by with their cheezy multimillion dollar mansions and having to use those horrible gold and diamond grillz in their mouths instead of those expensive braces dentist provide. And dont forget the cars they ride around in (I wouldnt be caught dead in those nasty escalades, benzes, and vettes). I think I will never use bit torrent or kazaa again. Artist have to eat too!
- ericnmu, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3What a lame article. No new news and hardly anything we dont already know.
- s11mac, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3You offer your music at the same prices they do and watch your business grow. You might even get people who otherwise would not even try you. So how is that for a proven business model.
These sites are just satisfying pent up demand, iTunes has shown that it is possible to be profitable at that price point but you guys want to eat your cake and have it too. Also rape the consumer in the process. - foshizol, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I downloaded the new client for AllOFMP3 called AllTunes. It's really slick, and works well. I think it's better then Itunes.
- archer75, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4How do you know it's ran by the russian mafia? You don't, you only assume.
Allofmp3.com is perfectly leagal in the US as it is legal to import music from russia. There is your loophole.
It's a great service. No DRM and and the bitrate and format I want. And at a reasonable price. I have no intrest in sharing songs. I just want to be able to listen to my music where and how I decide. I will never buy a song with DRM in it.
Paying .99 cents per song is way overpriced considering it can go straight from recording to the consumer. Whereas CD's have to be created, packaged and shipped and there are costs all along the way both in materials and labor. And of course the profit margin for the stores selling it. So a download distribution model should be much cheaper.
According to the legal info I have read on allofmp3.com and russian copyright law, artists can be compensated for the songs if they register with ROMS where the money from allofmp3.com is paid to. So far I am not aware of any artists doing so. - jaimz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3@s11mac: Most people can't offer the prices the AllOfMP3.com do, because legitimate labels have to pay the artists, mastering, distribution, graphic design and other costs. If labels were to try to sell at the same price as AllOfMP3.com they would collapse within six months - most record labels operate on a release to release basis, and are usually run by people in their spare time because a record label is simply not profitable (unless you turn it into a business, focussed on selling music people will buy, rather than selling music that you think is good).
- uziquattro, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Credit card info goes through a Dutch company, so they will be covered by European Community law - which might make you feel a little easier.
I use the site because of the superb quality, the uniform volume and the fast d/l speed.
And the really cheap prices. - d3struct0r, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2One possible situation would be if you're at University or somewhere that blocks bit-torrent traffic, it's easier to sign up and pay a fair price per song, than to do all the work involved in getting around the stupid limitations.
The exact situation I was in earlier this year in fact.. - jaimz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3@bennyboy371: Think hard when you critise labels. Sure, when it's one of the big five labels involved perhaps they're so caught up in beaucracy that they can afford to filter very little down to the actual artist, but there are literally thousands of small record labels out there that are actually doing a good honest job and passing at least half the profit to artists. It's labels like that - the ones that aren't supporting mass-produced disposable music - that suffer the most when people buy music from AllOfMP3.com.
- masongraves, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3I prefer getting my music from allofmp3.com (and paying a small fee) compared to downloading torrents (which are free).
Their catalog is that good and so easy to use. Brilliant service. - Boondoggle, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2ROMS pays whatever the Russian Mafia tells them to pay. Anyone dumb enough to buy from AllOfMP3 deserves to have their CC card in the hands of the Mafia.
If the RIAA had any brains, they would let iTunes and other reputable online sources sell without DRM. - AhmedB, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Still unable to buy from Allofmp3.com using neither my VISA debit nor credit cards, anyone else have the same problem with them?
- 81v3d07g0d, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1its said in kind of an asshat way but there is a valid point here. There are at least a few things that most other online music stores could learn from allofmp3 but not only that but if the artist aren't getting royalties from the music that's being sold to you why not just download it off bit torrent.
- Arkitan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The RIAA just doesn't get it, there is a secret door on a wall, and you can't see that it is there unless your looking, so what do they do? Post someone to stand next to it and scream "DON'T GO IN HERE FREE STUFF BACK THERE, DON'T GO IN!"
- minoss, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2For the same reason people pay for legal songs off itunes instead of downloading DRM-less versions, convenience. Also, the image that this is legit despite anyone paying $0.10 a song knowing damn well it isn't. However, the site says it is legit and people will believe anything they want to believe.
- kostya, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1The problem with using P2P is that you're forced to *share* what you are downloading at least while you are downloading, which is essential for P2P system to work. It is quite easy to prosecute for sharing (your only hope may be there are still way too many people who share so that your individual chances of being caught are slim). On the other hand, using foreign servers like AllOfMp3 may not be 100% legal, but I cannot imagine how anyone could enforce this.
- betona, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I think the right solution should be somewhere in between AllOfMP3 and iTunes.
8 cents is obviously too low for a song, but 99 cents is outragiously too high; especially for an oldie. Since when should a Dean Martin song from the 1950's cost the exact same (99¢) as the absolute latest hit single by the Chilis? In every other format before digital, prices were tiered based on age and popularity. - jaimz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2ericnmu: What is the business model that works exactly? Sell music you've found on the internet or ripped from CDs and give nothing to the artists and labels involved in producing the music? I don't think the RIAA would do that. However if the RIAA have learnt nothing from the AllOfMP3.com experience they've learnt that if they do want to create a site that sells stolen music at low prices, they'll have the full support of the Digg community.
- i440, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1This is bittersweet for people who enjoy using this service because as the traffic increases, the government will become more interested in shutting it down or making it inaccessible. And if the government is interested enough in doing something, it will be done. Somehow.
- JamesWilson, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3If its not legal, then why would I want to pay for it?
If I am going to be illegal, I download the full album off bittorrent, tagged, 192 or better (ideally FLAC). - Boondoggle, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Digg is about 75% wannabe 14 year old snot noses. What else would you expect?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0only a toddler wouldnt realize that trying to bring down the site and making news of it will only result in more traffic and therefore service
- cpawl, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0To me the problem is not even DRM or the RIAA, it's the notion of it all. It's all more of an excuse to steal *****. It's like diarrhea on the internet and it's contagious. Even more so is the iTunes pricing point. I am more upset that a bottle of water, a pack of gum, a pass to get on a beach, a sunday newspaper, and things like this cost me more than .99 cents more than I am that one of my favorite songs that I can listen to whenever, however many times I like does. Even the ***** song in the world deserves more than the price for of a bottle of water. Hell it cost .75 cents to fill my car tire with air!!! The sucks more than having to pay a buck for my wedding song.
The fact is the internet is poluted with scumbags. The same P2P users are also downloading their OS, all their software, porn, and all the rest of it. They think NO one deserves money for anything. They think they are in some soft of know, like freakin like geekos, because they can figure out how to get a free copy of nearly anything. It's time to grow up.
I like a band, I like a song, I buy it. Sometimes at the show, sometimes online, sometimes with iTunes, sometimes the CD. - blackmath, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Is this site any good? I feel kind of wary about giving cc info to commies. They do have lossless compression downloads (FLAC) which is good.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3Let's see just how much AllofMP3 and Pirate Bay spam we can get to the front page! Kind of ironic considering how obnoxious diggers get when someone name drops their own site or blog. But, by all means, go ahead giving these sites free publicity. They need drones like you.
- sspooner, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2It's great they are getting all this extra traffic, it sucks that they don't pay the artists anything.
These people are scumbags and will be shutdown by the end off the summer.
Down with AllofMP3, ran by the Russian mafia to rip off artists and consumers. - dandyhighwayman, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1http://marilyncarolyn.blogspot.com/2006/06/download-all-of-allofmp3com-for-one.html
Maybe this is the reason... - sspooner, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2No it is not, they are Russian mobsters. It would be like asking a Grizly beard to mind your children.
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