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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+23Could be that the surprise ending of BSG will be that life after all, started on Earth, then went to Cobol, then back.
Hence the references to "this all happened before"
It would also explain why a civilzation light years away from Earth has exactly the same clothing and other cultural artifacts that we do. - Thuktun, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18FRY: So, I really am important? How I feel when I'm drunk is correct?
NIBBLONIAN: Yes. Except the Dave Matthews Band doesn't rock. - EntropyMan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17I agree about the life starting on Earth. I think they're going to find that someone from Earth created the Cylons and the 12 models were the actual founder-gods of the 12 colonies, who in turn created the human population that's now on the run. So Earth is the original home base of the current Cylons and/or both these Cylons and the colonists are racing to find home.
Anyway, whoever started this whole life/death cycle, that person clearly had some big neurosis, cutting the edges off all square corners and all... Who's afraid of a few right angles? - HMTKSteve, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17They also speak the same langauge and developed video cameras that look the same.
Somehow the portable DVD players they have also receive broadcast TV. - Netmindstorm, on 10/12/2007, -5/+20So Say We All... Along the Watchtower
I always thought that that saying was missing a piece. - decepticrat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14The version was done by Bear McCreary, musical director for BSG, with his brother on vocals, and various former members of Oingo Boingo filling out the track. It'll be included on the Galactica Season 3 soundtrack. This info is in the article.
- ringo380, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12Nobody thinks that's Bob Dylan's version. They just think it's a cover of Bob Dylan's song. I get the feeling you're misunderstanding them.
Bob Dylan just created the original song, and since then there's been a bazillion covers by various other artists. - kuribo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11"Bob Dylan just created the original song, and since then there's been a bazillion covers by various other artists."
So, there are many copies. There's your connection. - rendersan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Makes perfect sense to me, since Bob Dylan did write every song ever.
http://digg.com/videos/comedy/Bob_Dylan_Wrote_Every_Song_Ever_Made - Ramble, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11That song was perfect with the ending.
- StMac, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7It's in the ship...It's in the fraking ship!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6He's referring to the fact that the original Battlestar Galactica was created by a devout Mormon as a sort of science fiction parable of Mormon mythology. A lot of conceptual ideas in BSG are directly referencing Mormon mythology.
However, this re-imagined series has already dropped many of those ideas ("The Ship of Lights" is one example) and is pretty much ignoring all but the most basic concepts from the original BSG, and going in entirely uncharted directions. - Wonderama, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@shlep
Ron Moore (BSG producer) claims the rounded corners started during early production as an inside joke about saving money (i.e., "cutting corners") and it developed into the style we see for books, pictures, etc. - quantumHobbit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5That's a good theory but I can't tell yet. There's too much confusion.
When they started saying the lines of the song in dialog I nearly crapped myself. - spudnic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5The cut corners on the paper is born of the fact the fact they had a crappy budget for the mini-series and had to 'cut corners'.
Just an interesting bit of Battlestar trivia for you - 60effects, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4When Romo Lampkin (Baltar's lawyer) finished talking to Lee, did anyone else think Keyser Soze?
- FearlessFreep, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6"You know, it might be interesting to see how much paper can be saved by cutting the corners off"
None, you've already wasted the paper. The only way to save paper is to make it without corners to begin with - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Bob Dylan is the 5th cylon and the cylons are agents of the RIAA who destroyed the colonies over copyright infringements. In the last episode they hoped to lure the colonists by broadcasting fresh music to appropriate.
- Enceladus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Baltar is not Jesus. Yes, people in the fleet see him as some sort of saint but Baltar cannot be the Jesus of the show because obviously Starbuck is. I mean she died, has somehow been reborn, she now knows the way to Earth, and is going to take the fleet there. How much more messianic can you get?
- floorman56, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Funny no one has said anything about what Samuel Anders? said
He said something about the song being a vague memory ....something from childhood - Gudlyf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4(I thought Soze, too, almost immediately)
I believe Lampkin was purposely faking his injuries all along so Lee would step up. Lampkin was playing everyone all along, and in the end he was victorious in getting a not guilty verdict. - sanman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Maybe Cylons were programmed in Cobol.
- jello3d, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3If anyone is old enough to recall the first BSG series. There is an episode where a transmission from earth is received, sort of. It's a transmission of the first lunar landing. Playing off of this, it may be that as the galactica is moving closer to earth, it is picking up a transmission from earth that is designed to activate something in this particular group. Now, remember, that the eye of jupiter and the temple of the 5 was errected for 5 priests... and but D'Anna saw, what she believed were, the final 5 "cylons" there. Adama also mentions that on Kobol, humans lived side by side with the gods, until "one jealous god" turned on the others. Humans left on a ship called the Galleon when "the blaze" occured.
So my theory is that these four are not like the other cylons, rather something different, and probably destined to protect earth... Ala... the watchtower. Someone, after all, had to leave the clues to get to earth, like the arrow of apollo... after humans left Kobol... and someone had to build the temple of the five... write the scriptures, etc...
Perhaps, in fact, the other cylons are in service to the "jealous god"... who would likely be Baltar.
Sure, there's holes that argument, but I think it's going to be something like that. - Cirieno, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Her ship, when she reappeared, was an old-style Viper.
- 60effects, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I felt that things dragged on a little this season, but I thought the last few eps were pretty good.
The storyline might've seemed slower for a bit because we were missing a key ingredient in the story: Cylons! After the humans escaped New Caprica, the Cylons took a backseat to the human dramas that had to be settled after going through such an ordeal. The sci-fi element of the show was benched while they addressed stuff like relationships, politics, racism, and social equality.
The last eps brought the Cylons and the prophecy back into the story with Baltar's trial, so I think that's what got the show really clicking for me again. - Jeveran, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4For reference, here are Bob Dylan's lyrics:
"There must be some way out of here," said the joker to the thief,
"There's too much confusion, I can't get no relief.
Businessmen, they drink my wine, plowmen dig my earth,
None of them along the line know what any of it is worth."
"No reason to get excited," the thief, he kindly spoke,
"There are many here among us who feel that life is but a joke.
But you and I, we've been through that, and this is not our fate,
So let us not talk falsely now, the hour is getting late."
All along the watchtower, princes kept the view
While all the women came and went, barefoot servants, too.
Outside in the distance a wildcat did growl,
Two riders were approaching, the wind began to howl.
The song has also been recorded (and the lyrics slightly modified) by such diverse artists as Jimi Hendrix, The Dave Matthews Band, Indigo Girls, U2, and Richie Havens, among others. - boxlight, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Can you elaborate a little? I'm curious.
- boxlight, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2> did anyone else think Keyser Soze?
Ha! No, actually, but that is funny.
Now that you mention it -- what was the deal with the cane? I hadn't thought of it until now, what was the significance of him walking away without it? - vcleniuk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2...Or a reference to the original BSG series...
and that this new one is (roughly) following the same storyline(s). And episodes to a much lesser degree. - Kingfisherx, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I posted this on AICN back in season two and it wasn't given much credence then, but so far it's playing out perfect. I figure there was on Earth back before the colonies the merger of the humans and cybernetic life, but some of the people on earth weren't so keen on it and left to start the colonies to stay truly "human". Well time went along and these folks forgot their true origins. So now they've gone about making cybernetic life again, but well Earth has not been sitting idly by letting them do whatever (what the current race of Cylons are scared ***** of doing). They sent agents in to monitor and hopefully guide the two races back to earth probably with the determination if they don't decide to play nice and become one race before they get to Earth that they'll have to be wiped out.
- mattym, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Perhaps if you had read the topic, you would have known exactly who made the song. I mean, you didn't even have to read the article...
"Bear McCreary ’s insanely odd cover version of Bob Dylan’s All Along the Watchtower is featured in Battlestar Galactica’s season finale episodes Crossroads, Part I & II as the backdrop and apparent impetus for the season-ending revelation. What 's the connection? Anyone?" - sjbdallas, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'm sorry, i wasn't clear. I didnt' mean make a bunch of square paper then cut off the corners, i did mean make it w/out the corners. I'm a dumbass.
- FearlessFreep, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4If you can't be clever be confusing and let someone else put all the pieces together and laud you for being so clever
- 60effects, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I don't think I agree with your theory, but Gaius sure looked like Jesus when they draped the cloak over him at the end.
- borg359, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2My theory is that the final five cylons are from Earth, with Starbuck being the last of the five. When she died, she was resurrected on Earth and somehow made it back to the fleet. This explains both her apparent rebirth and her trip across the galaxy. I think that the human and machine populations on Earth have learned to live together and that these five cyclons ultimately have been placed with in the colonies to try to make this come about, in some way. My guess is that some kind of reconciliation with the cyclons is going to be the direction the show takes in the coming season(s), coinciding with the discover of Earth by both the humans and cylons.
Moore, feel free to use my ideas. ;) - sanman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I really loved how they integrated the lyrics into the dialogue:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_Io7XSuulk
http://www.bobdylan.com/songs/watchtower.html
That was really cool. - jax9999, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I assumed the thing with the cane was simple. He was making his wounds seem worse to garner sympathy.
- johneee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"Granted, that latter part is total speculation. Still, I think the song's theme is a clue...don't know why that version was used, though."
Perhaps because they wanted something that was recognizable, but not exactly something that people would know from outside the universe?
But more likely because to use someone's version of a song, you need to negotiate with them to get the rights to do so, and that person/organization can set whatever price they want. If you just want to record someone else's song, the price is much lower and (I think... I'm not a copyright lawyer) they can't deny any one person permission if they allow others to use it. The term is RAND - Reasonable and non-discriminatory licencing. A real lawyer can probably shed more light on it though. - butcher, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"there will be men to do the work until there are machines to do the work."
Anyone remember who said that originally? I've forgotten, but if the theme of the song is revolution resulting from class struggle, then perhaps it's just another expression of the underlying reasons for the struggle between humans and cylons (once cylons gained sentience). Class warfare, writ large. - PaulLev, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1They (we) were seeing Earth through a wormhole ... which distorts time and space ... therefore there's no telling how near or far BSG is from Earth ... -Galactica Dylan http://paullev.libsyn.com/index.php?post_id=198717
- elenadragon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1More info about the music from the finale:
http://www.syfyportal.com/news423458.html - netmugger, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Who is the 5th? Who will survive the onslaught of war which began in the final moments of the episode?
So, here I sit on earth WAITING. Will probably take until 2008 for the BSG network news signal to drift in space the millions of light years in distance to get to my sat dish to FIND OUT WHAT THE HECK HAPPENS.
AHHHHHHHHHHHHH !!!!! Waiting 10 months for resolution SUCKS. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2The storyline and all the subplots of Battlestar Galactica have been perfectly logical and intact since the mini-series. What the hell are you talking about with where the show is going? Obviously they know, or else the thing would just fall apart under the weight of its own hubris -- like Lost.
Besides, this show isn't even much of a multi-year drama like Lost or anything else you're thinking of. Each episode is very contained. The only things tying them together are the fact that they all take place in a well-written universe, whose rules are all followed impeccably from one episode to the next. As for multi-episode arcs, there is only one that matters: Humans feeling the cylons while trying to find Earth. Wow. Really deep, huh?
Spend less time worrying about the "bigger" story and more time enjoying each episode as a masterful display of well-written science fiction. - EntropyMan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Hey, it's not just paper. The doorways are also not square. In fact, it's hard to find too many places on Galactica that have square corners. That gym-like room in which 4/5 of the final five met in the finale was an exception.
But somehow, I doubt that their production design, while great, is that subtle in its message. It's probably more that they want it to look different and cool, and this is the result.
BTW, I was kidding about the paper. But if you really wanted to save paper by "cutting corners," you could cut them into oblong hexagons. But cutting into oblong octagons, not so much. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The only problem with that is that it was mentioned in the show that the colonials created the cylons.
To make your theory work the colonial cylons could be a second generation of cylons made thousands of years after the first 5 were made. - PaulLev, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1no telling how much in the future BSG is, based on the song - ships travel faster than light, so can radio waves ... and if you add in time travel, BSG could still be in the past ... http://www.paullevinson.net/archives/battlestar_galactica_and_dylan.phtml
- 60effects, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2gudlyf beat me to it - digg down
- sanman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Or a last-ditch alliance between humans and Cylon elves will fight on the slopes of Mt Doom. You know those Cylon elves -- they have rapidfire shooting reflexes.
Afterwards a watchtower will be erected to stand guard for evermore. - decepticrat, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Well, if you call nuking the sh*t out of their planets, and bringing the human race to the brink of extinction, monitoring and guiding, then you're spot on with that theory.
- sanman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Perhaps the humans and Cylons will make peace on Earth.
And then join hands to confront the onslaught from a terrible third menace.
Hey, that would be kinda cool, perhaps -- seeing the humans and the Cylons fighting side-by-side.
With a special guest appearance by Gov. Schwarzenegger.
"I vas sent to protect you puny humans. From the Zerg. Vee ah allies now, yes?" -
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