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- pstroll, on 09/17/2009, -0/+291. rockers like cocaine
2. cocaine costs lots of money
3. corporations have lots of money - janjamm, on 09/17/2009, -0/+24Love this insight:
"The ever-cynical Waits says he believes public acceptance of the rock-and-ads marriage is part of a larger trend in which consumerism has become religion and increasingly large monopolies serve as God.
"People don't know how to do anything anymore except shop," he complains. "Eventually, all the products will be owned by one company . . . and someone you know will be singing the theme song."" - commasplices, on 09/17/2009, -4/+21I don't really have a problem with this. If you like a band, you like a band, even if it "sells out." Besides, good for them for finding a way to make more cash in this disaster of an economy.
- JustLetGo, on 09/17/2009, -0/+14Commercial bands went commercial.
There's more music then what you hear on the radio or see on tv. - jaybudzik, on 09/17/2009, -0/+11Really interesting bit of history.
- thirstyrobot, on 09/17/2009, -0/+11A died a little the first time I saw Bob Dylan's "The times they are a changing" used in a TV commercial for a bank.
- tmyprod, on 09/17/2009, -0/+10"If you're trying to sell automobiles to young adults, you want them to think your car is cool and that the brand they're driving is part of their lifestyle," he says. "So if you put a new car next to Ricky Martin, it says you're contemporary, you're fashionable, you're hot."
Do people really fall for that? - rjc309, on 09/17/2009, -0/+10I was wondering why they had all these dated references to Ricky Martin and Christina Aguilera, then I realized it was written nine years ago.
- calcm, on 09/17/2009, -0/+9I have faith in Geddy Lee, Alex Lifeson, and Neil Peart. For almost 40 years they have given the world a no-compromise look into artistic rock brilliance. Without trying to keep up their image, being into big money, or lusting after the limelight.
They just produce good rock and great concerts because they know that "...glittering prizes and endless compromises shatter the illusion of integrity".
- Jsmuli2, on 09/17/2009, -0/+9Zappa talked about the decline of music:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZazEM8cgt0 - EndouOuto, on 09/17/2009, -1/+9Don't blame that ***** on us. It's your generation that likes and buys that rubbish
- BottleRocketPR, on 09/17/2009, -1/+9I think most of you are missing the larger point in that it is becoming more and more commonplace for corporate interests to have the ability to directly influence as well as censor art and artists.
Art influences and creates culture, so I guess you can see how it can create a situation where corporations are indirectly shaping culture. - sleestakslayer, on 09/17/2009, -0/+7John Mellencamp recently let Chevrolet use one of his songs and he was known for not being a sellout. He said that contemporary radio is no longer a viable outlet for most artists like him and MTV doesn't play music anymore either. He claimed that was the best way he could think of to let people hear one of his new songs.
- headzoo, on 09/17/2009, -1/+8To be fair, I've discovered bands (or remembered old ones) after hearing one of their songs in a commercial. Putting your song in a commercial is really no different than putting it on MTV. It's just one more approach by musicians to get their music out there.
In addition, the artists make a little money, the sponsors get to appear hip, and everyone wins. - codyman, on 09/17/2009, -0/+7isn't signing with a major label "selling out" to begin with?
- AmazingSteve, on 09/17/2009, -0/+6I have to admit, a little piece of me died when I heard Led Zeppelin in a Cadillac commercial.
- TextingTina, on 09/17/2009, -0/+6Rolling Stones broke the mold.
- LemonChicken, on 09/17/2009, -1/+7Does he, actually know, how to use commas?
- iridesce, on 09/17/2009, -0/+5And people wonder why there was no upheaval of those under 30 in the 90s.
In both the 30s and 60s, it was the music that drove the message.
Now, for the most part, the music is an outgrowth of the corporation.
Hopefully, this time the pirates will be help the artists reclaim the media - arrgghhh !!! - inactive, on 09/17/2009, -2/+7What is there left to rebel against, sex and drugs is now mainstream among today's youth. If anything you are a rebel now if you choose to NOT have sex as a young teen.
- VAXcat, on 09/17/2009, -0/+5 That's how I felt when Dell used "You're Gonna Miss Me" by the 13th Floor Elevators to pimp a new laptop. Man, that's just wrong on so many levels.
- 2Six119, on 09/17/2009, -0/+5When you do cocaine, nobody profits.
- mparker21311, on 09/17/2009, -0/+5Give Corporations enough rope and they will eventually hang themselves. They're notorious for ruining many good things.
- rrwest, on 09/17/2009, -0/+4Corporations have shaped culture since before the days when William Randolph Hearst told his newspapers to make the news if they had to. That was over 100 years ago.
Coca-Cola's 1905 Christmas ad campaign was so wildly successful that we now associate Santa Claus with their colours, red and white. It was their ads that put Santa Claus in the red and white suit.
Prior to De Beer's 1920's advertising strategy, engagement rings had any stones in them, not just diamond. Through years of saturating the media, including placement of their products in film, the diamond is now the main gemstone for engagement rings.
Big business has shaped the last 100 years of culture in thousands of ways, some big, some little. We just have to look carefully at the facts to see it. - iridesce, on 09/17/2009, -0/+4" I saw a Deadhead sticker on a Cadillac
Don't look back, you can never look back ..... " - rrwest, on 09/17/2009, -0/+4The rock 'n roll mold was broken when "Colonel" Tom Parker saw gold in Elvis over 50 years ago.
The rest, as they say, is history.
Everything that came after, from Buddy Holly's fight to retain control of his production to the Sex Pistols swearing on live TV, has been co-opted by the big record companies and organizations like the RIAA.
Even upstart rap labels have taken the cash while hypocritically claiming that they are "for the artists" or "for the fans".
Few performers and songwriters have taken the high moral ground once money was promised.
Those who do have rarely made a living doing what they love. Fewer still have continued to make their music.
Its a sad state of affairs.
But the internet has changed the entire ball game. It is now possible to reclaim rock n' roll and other music for the artists and their fans through word-of-mouth, YouTube and band websites. Artists will get control back, with or without the dubious help of big business.
And there is little that the RIAA can do about it.
For that, I am glad. - robbob, on 09/17/2009, -0/+4This is their equivalent to a 401k
- santiago1, on 09/17/2009, -0/+4Shop BnL!
- walker4bc, on 09/17/2009, -2/+6These guys always grow up at some point. Classic story.
- mikesly, on 09/17/2009, -0/+3I would not put anything next to Martin...
- MorpheousMarty, on 09/17/2009, -4/+7When the people who were rebelling got jobs, they spent the money on the artists that fueled and enriched their rebellious years. The market followed the money and now we have Britney Spears, Nickleback and The Black Eyed Peas. Seems like the last generation really screwed us all.
- RealmDown, on 09/17/2009, -1/+4I remember them. They're the cover band for Microsoft, right ?
- awm80, on 09/17/2009, -7/+10let me guess, you like nickelback
- sawdoffshotgun2, on 09/17/2009, -0/+3Rock HAS NOT been replaced by ***** HIP HOP.
- nightsweat, on 09/17/2009, -1/+4Nike. Revolution. That's the day Rock died.
- Whatasillyhat, on 09/17/2009, -0/+3The more you knooooooow.
- awm80, on 09/17/2009, -2/+5I always thought of music (esp. rock) as a means of getting out a message to a large audience that other corporate entities, such as the mainstream media, politicians, etc. wouldn't touch. I think as corporation & musicians get all comfy together you'll see their message (if they ever had one), just becomes vapid and empty. But it doesnt really surprise me since most musicians probably start out hoping they get famous so they can get laid. Once they start gettin laid they just want some money. So I have no faith in music pretty much.
- logstaa, on 09/17/2009, -1/+3But how far is too far? Will you really go see a band who is plastered in company logos, who, after every song inserts a plug for Wal-mart? That's the way this is trending.
"The only thing that would curb the trend, Kramer says, is if the public boycotted events that were saturated with product pitches. But so far, fans seem inured."
That's going to be our downfall: the complacency of the modern fan. - CaffieneMan, on 09/17/2009, -1/+3for me the answer is not listening to anything 'popular', just forge your own path, there's tons of good music out there that will never be played on radio, or show up on some commercial. There still are musicians who care, and refuse to become a corporate tool
- atlasdugged, on 09/17/2009, -1/+3Dugg for aging rockers...they need a line of rocking chairs...
- fl3sh, on 09/17/2009, -0/+2When I read that, it truly made me sad.
- Merp08, on 09/17/2009, -0/+2You beat me too it. Truly horrific.
- RealmDown, on 09/17/2009, -0/+2How about, "Long Live Rock" to help sell them ?
- simplyskeptic, on 09/17/2009, -1/+3He also said GM was a better record company, than the record companies. Something about, actually holding up their end of the contracts
- miggyb, on 09/17/2009, -0/+1Your fans don't ***** you over, though.
- LemonChicken, on 09/17/2009, -1/+2Music isn't always about some deep poetic message or cultural rebellion. I think some of these artists take themselves too seriously, especially those who only produce singles but when it comes to putting an ad in a commercial they're suddenly too good for it.
- rrwest, on 09/17/2009, -0/+1The last generation didn't screw anyone.
What they are leaving us with is a generation of twenty-somethings who have been media saturated since their birth and who eagerly follow the Hannah Montanas and Nicklebacks because they have been programmed to become good consumers, regardless of quality.
This situation was shaped more than two generations ago when "the kid", later to be known as "old blue eyes", was hyped during the 1941 musician's strike and became a super-star. He was Frank Sinatra. - tommasz, on 09/17/2009, -0/+1Rock is dead.
- iridesce, on 09/17/2009, -0/+1And don't forget those crazy guys in Sweden who changed the game by indexing torrents ......
- wannaBdug, on 09/17/2009, -2/+3Hey, we still get to hear their music. It's just a different avenue.
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