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- Greenroom4life, on 08/17/2008, -6/+80That's complete *****. Artists and bands can't rush themselves to produce music, and if they do, it's most likely going to turn out horrible.
Virgin is completely retarded for making this move too, because chances are if they would have just gave the band some more time to record songs for a new album, that album would have sold much more than $30 million worth. - Saladas, on 08/17/2008, -10/+56They should be called 30 Millions to Virgin! from now...
- tragik, on 08/17/2008, -1/+41Maybe 3STM should have signed a better contract?
- john2kx, on 08/17/2008, -5/+45That's one expensive lay, even if she is a virgin...
- LemonChicken, on 08/17/2008, -7/+46Did Picasso sculpt the Mona Lisa in a day?
I think not. - inactive, on 08/17/2008, -8/+44I didn't know 30 Seconds to Mars was capable of making that much money.
- Timborako, on 08/17/2008, -3/+28The problem is with the industry and the uneven power balance; Virgin doesn't give a ***** if they ruin a band, they can dig up a clone and produce a hit with no trouble at all. It sucks for 30 Seconds that they had the integrity to wait and produce a nice record rather than meet a contract deadline. A band can get past a lousy album and poor sales, but getting on a label's bad side like this is a death sentence.
- inactive, on 08/17/2008, -3/+20Tool Studio albums
Undertow (1993, Zoo/BMG/Volcano: USA, 2x platinum)
Ænima (1996, Zoo/BMG/Volcano: USA, 3x platinum)
Lateralus (2001, Volcano II/Tool Dissectional: USA, 2x platinum)
10,000 Days (2006, Volcano II/Tool Dissectional: USA, platinum)
Take your time and do the job right. ***** time lines.
Look at Microsoft. they release applications and OSs on a set time schedule, and their ***** is always buggy and requiring constant patching. - joshefosho, on 08/17/2008, -13/+27Well on the bright side, maybe they will stop making music.
- Khast, on 08/17/2008, -3/+15You see it in the video game industry, the movie industry, and the music industry....deadlines often produce pure and utter crap. Sure it is nice to be able to say we'll produce 3 albums a year...2 games a year, 2 movies a year...but face it, the reality is, if you want good media, you have to let the artists paint the canvas to produce high quality work. Otherwise, you just end up with a canvas with a bunch of scribbles...
...and pirates get the blame for poor media sales. (the Internet has resources to tell us whether something is good, or bad....and I don't think most people will willingly buy crap movies/music/games.) - TremorX, on 08/17/2008, -3/+15Just have Ed Norton beat the ***** out him until he coughs up the dough. Or, y'know, blood.
- Ragzouken, on 08/17/2008, -1/+13Wooooooosh
- thegrantman, on 08/17/2008, -1/+10Says the guy who spells "you're" wrong
- Cedargrove, on 08/17/2008, -0/+9I'm going to go out on a limb and guess you aren't a musician.
- RansomHoldiay, on 08/17/2008, -6/+15thats a million a second!
- forevernomad, on 08/17/2008, -0/+8You found my retarded! Awesome! I've been looking for that, thanks.
- debuggercll, on 08/17/2008, -0/+8Yeah, let's get you a snow cone.
- Frozo, on 08/17/2008, -3/+11OK, Im certainly not saying Virgin is right in this.. BUT... Dont you know a lawsuit like this is coming? Why not at least crap out an album to save your ass? Its not like you're motivated to make good music anyway if you dont even bother to get your ass in the studio.
- jimbellizzi, on 08/17/2008, -4/+11What the band does matters, but the fact is it's in the label's job description and best interest to cultivate the artist to produce music that will sell. Suing the band just means Virgin has a poor A&R department and further shows how out of touch the major labels are. This is a lose lose situation for Virgin.
Mind you, I am not defending 30 Secs, because the music isn't exactly amazing. But from a music industry standpoint the major labels are getting just worse and worse. Personally, any smart artist today will go either with a small label or just independent. - ukthom, on 08/17/2008, -0/+7will the wonders of public school math never cease?
- TinternAbbot, on 08/17/2008, -0/+7They knew what they were getting into by signing with a record company. They didn't keep their end of the deal.
- ZachRocksYou, on 08/17/2008, -1/+8So if 30 Seconds to Mars owes $30 million for not releasing an album in three years, wouldn't that make Axl Rose owe $150 million for a not releasing an album in 15?
- stellarceltic, on 08/17/2008, -9/+16So we're judging them by their look rather than their music?
The first CD kicked ass, and the second one even more so. - LethalJizzle, on 08/17/2008, -1/+7Nice. Now crawl back under that rock.
- santaliqueur, on 08/17/2008, -0/+6Whatever, I'm just saying not every band has the capability to make tens of millions. Their first album sold 100,000 copies, their second sold 1,000,000. Care to share your reasoning how they could earn more than $30 million for Virgin Records?
- Phoenixfury, on 08/17/2008, -1/+7Stories like this is why independent artists and sites like Myspace are going to kick the big labels @$$! Everyday the big labels are becoming less relevant.. Soon no one will care if their favorite artist is on Virgin's label, or CD Baby. As long as Virgin pursues losts revenues from artists like this, such alternatives as I mentioned will look very attractive to them.
- loker269, on 08/17/2008, -0/+6The fact your being dugg down made me laugh uncontrollably...
ಠ_ಠ - artfiend77, on 08/17/2008, -2/+8Alas, crapping out albums just to make deadlines is what A LOT of bands with record labels do.
- Vidalsassgirlie, on 08/17/2008, -3/+9Do half of you diggers have jobs? While music is art, it's still a job and if you sign a contract to do a certain amount of things, you need to hold up your end of the agreement. This happens with movies, novels, television shows, and any other skilled job.
How about school? Do you guys demand extensions for essays and projects because your work is art and shouldn't be rushed? If 30 seconds to Mars signed a contract that told them to put out X amount of records in X amount of time, they should be focused on that instead of Jared Leto being in a bunch of movies.
I don't get it all the hate for the record label. Nobody forced the band to sign the contract, which undoubtedly spelled out everything in black and white. They could have continued to play local shows.
and yes, famous artists like Michaelangelo and and DaVinci were did some of their work only because people paid them to do it. - forevernomad, on 08/17/2008, -0/+5Maybe not a million, but over 9000.
- ATLien74, on 08/17/2008, -0/+5That's what a good lawyer will do for you.
- megaton, on 08/17/2008, -3/+8It's been 3 years since their last album, so I guess I don't understand your definition of "rush"?
- megaton, on 08/17/2008, -2/+7I guess I'm not smart enough to infer "they had the integrity to wait and produce a nice record" from "The details of the band's tardiness have yet to be explained..."
- YoWhatDaFuxUp, on 08/17/2008, -3/+8there wasn't much creativity there in the first place
- gallagherFTW, on 08/17/2008, -1/+5One band comes to mind, Tool. I believe Aenima was in 96 and Lateralus 2001, and the new one just came out last year. G G G G GENIUS. btw APC albums don't count.
- samimnot, on 08/17/2008, -3/+7Not enough information here, to make any type of judgment. Art is Art...but Business is Business. If a contract was signed, and terms broken...then Virgin has every right to prove their damages and get a settlement in court.
- DirkBelig, on 08/17/2008, -3/+7@mixomatosys - "dude, if you look at any band with an ounce of musical talent, they're ready to release multiple albums a year."
Peter Gabriel went TEN YEARS between his "Us" and "Up" albums and it had been six years between "Us" and "So"; Portishead just released their third album after an 11 year wait; it took four years for Green Day to make "American Idiot" and three years later, there's no word as to when anything new will be forthcoming; would you consider all these bands to be lacking an ounce of talent? The way record companies choose to milk successful albums for up to two years sometimes chafes prolific artists like Prince who could release a song every few days (not that they'd all be listenable), but sometimes creativity takes time. If 3STM has been touring to promote the last album for a couple of years, they may've only been at work on the new one for a year.
The people who are sneering at any artist in any field - whether it be music, filmmaking, painting, writing, etc. - clearly have no understanding of the creative mind and process. Making an album isn't as easy vomiting an opinion on a Digg comment thread. I'm a musician and when I was younger, I use to write a really good song every few weeks; now I've been struggling to pull together material for our follow-up CD for seven years(!) and it's still not meeting my standards. I could've just pulled a dozen tunes from my archives and moved on, but that's not what I wanted to do and it wouldn't have expressed where I'm at now.
I don't like Jared Leto as an actor; I think he looks stupid in his rock star drag; and I don't think I've even heard a single 30 Seconds to Mars tune ever; but those people saying that he/they are untalented because they don't release music at the same rate as [band name here] are being unfair and clueless as to how any creative work is done. Stanley Kubrick's last four films came over 24 years while the seven before them came in 15 years. How talentless was he? - DirkBelig, on 08/17/2008, -1/+5@ BikerDude69 - "Take your time and do the job right. ***** time lines. Look at Microsoft. they release applications and OSs on a set time schedule, and their ***** is always buggy and requiring constant patching."
Good point about taking the time to do it right, but a better example for rushing software would be video games which are frequently put on shelves unpolished and buggy because some quarterly financial schedule or annual release cycle has to be met and it doesn't matter if the game could benefit from some more time in the oven.
Eidos ran the Tomb Raider franchise into the dirt and Activision burned out the Tony Hawk series by releasing sequels in rapid succession without evolving the gameplay significantly. Gamers got bored and sales dropped. After a different developer was put on the case, Tomb Raider has roared back. After being shown up by Skate, Tony Hawk is taking a year off to find some new ideas. - SpeedSteamBoat, on 08/17/2008, -1/+5A death sentence? Hardly. Last I checked bands need labels less every day.
Or did we forget about NIN and Radiohead already? - gp1183, on 08/17/2008, -1/+5If a commercial artist can't work within constraints (including time), they shouldn't be commercial. That's what indie labels are for. Go take your time being artistic there, big commercial labels like Virgin, Universal, BMG, Geffen; the suits don't care about the quality or art of the music as long as they have their cut of your money.
If you try to take the same timetable arguments above to any other commercial artistic medium, you'd be laughed to the door. The film industry would halt if everyone was given time to make things perfect. Magazines and television are dependent on time tables.
When artists sign with labels they know their own artistic/creative boundaries and if three years is too short an amount of time for them to produce a new record the band should have known that. - inactive, on 08/17/2008, -2/+5Even though I agree with you, 30 Seconds to Mars' music is terrible - and they know it. Sure they made a whole lot of money, but when that's your main goal and you're willing to sign your life away to achieve it, you kind of deserve what you get.
This is why major labels are obsolete. When you inject marketing and research into rock and roll, it ceases to BE rock and roll. There's no emotion, everything is cold and calculated. This band probably realizes this now and now they're stuck.
Suckers of Satan's *****, all of them. - Frozo, on 08/17/2008, -0/+3Alas... true. But if youre that dumb to sign a contract that will lose you $30 million dollars for not delivering, you are an ass if youre not going to put SOMETHING out. Like I said, if they were motivated, this wouldnt be a problem.
- piesforyou, on 08/17/2008, -0/+3until thıs comment reaches one mıllıon dıggs
- LucerinRed, on 08/17/2008, -0/+3loker269, He's being dugg down because he doesn't get the joke.
- shagg187, on 08/17/2008, -1/+4No wonder people hate record labels. Long live the Null Corporation!
- ExileOnMassSt, on 08/17/2008, -3/+6I love the fact that Jared Leto has to pay $30 million for his crappy band not delivering a record on time, but Axl Rose gets to take 14 years to make the most expensive album of all time without any penalty from Universal.
- alexforcefive, on 08/17/2008, -2/+5and $30 million seems like a lot for a girl that doesn't put out...
- SpeedSteamBoat, on 08/17/2008, -1/+4People hate record labels because they have been one the worst things to have ever happened to music.
To their credit, though, they have also been one of the best things to have ever happened to music. - ChromaVita, on 08/17/2008, -0/+3And yet, some how 30 Seconds to Mars is the one getting *****...
- jtbell04, on 08/17/2008, -1/+4I agree, Pablo Picasso's "Mona Lisa" bust is exquisite.
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