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- Tenlow, on 10/12/2007, -1/+41One thing I always think is funny is that they claim my downloading is costing them. Yet the stuff I download I wouldnt buy. If I wanted to buy it, I would. I own copies of the movies I like to watch and the music I like to listen to. If I'm downloading something, it's because it's not worth the $20 to own on dvd when I really only want to watch it once. And it's not worth the $6 rental at blockbuster because I dont know when I'll get around to watching it, if at all.
For the short period of time I had OnDemand (from comcast) I loved it. There were a ton of good movies to watch in the "free" category. But none of the "for purchase" movies were worth paying to watch. And I didnt even have to pay the bill, they really just wernt worth paying for.
So dont blame people who arent willing to pay for your ***** product, blame yourself for making a ***** product. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+26Media: As long as you can see or hear it, they will pirate it.
- marshman222, on 10/12/2007, -1/+27They will never suceed, nerds are too smart. They will find more stategies to get free stuff, just because they can. The film industry needs to get smarter.
- pathy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+20"The nature of torrents as a technology would effectively require the shutting down of the Internet to prevent people from sharing films or music."
Don't give them ideas. They'll ***** try it. - InternetUser, on 10/12/2007, -0/+19Here's a summary:
"Think of buskers. No-one needs to pay them for their music. There is no contract or rights management software which requires you to throw some money in their hat - nor, for that matter, are you guaranteed a nod and a smile when you do. But people do. And good buskers make good money." - danjal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17whats with all the clouds?
- craig552uk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13Same here. I'll download a few tracks from an album, if I like it enough I'll buy it. I'll download episodes of TV shows I like, so I can watch them when I want to, not when the channel decides I should (and also because I don't trust my VCR to remember to record it).
- collywolly, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12The film City of Gods is about the only decent film I have watched in a few years (one that I would actually go and tell others to watch). They attributed a lot of it's realism down to the fact that they used local Brazillian street kids as the actors. Not some overhyped, overpaid idiots coming out with more of the same crap over and over again.
- DooDah, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12its about time ACTORS got reasonable wage packets, i see this as being one of the quickest and easiest ways to counter the problem, i mean if you paid tom $100,000 which is still a lot of cash, and you would save $19,900,000 if he was gonna really be getting $20,000,000. so if we do some really quick maths...$19,900,000 = 995,000 dvd's for $20.
just an idea....i mean is $20,000,000 really a sensible wage for 6 months to a couple years work...... NO no matter what job you have.
and at the end of the day, if they make a good film it will profit from the cinema ticket sales alone, so don't lose any sleep worrying about the millionaires out there who might get a cut in there profits, i say good enough, think of the money spent on films each year, and the millions of starving and even dying people who don't have money, i say to hell with film industry until we sort out our planet and people...... - ayeroxor, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12"They will never suceed, nerds are too smart."
I can encode a DVD in under 1 hour, and catch your comma splice at the same time! - shiftless, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10They act like they aren't making any money at all. They make good money with little or no effort. I still go to the movies if there's nothing else to do. But it has been very depressing as the movies have been so bad I haven't been going as often as I like. Worst summer releases ever. The only good show was Cars.
- mariusaz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10I find it funny that the movie industry keeps attributing their loses to piracy and not the fact that they haven’t come up with a decent movie in years. When are they going to realize that they need to stop making crap movies. I love indy films because they have substance to them. I wish they'd distribute more independant films in theaters.
- dacheetah, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10And the better they play, (read: the better the movie they make) the more money they will get (read: the more people will be willing to pay to see the movie).
It's actually a very good metaphor. And I tend to treat movie in much the same way. Unless I know I'll enjoy the movie, I'll usually watch it BEFORE I pay for it... I have bought plenty of good movies, but I've also seen plenty of crappy movies that were not worth my time let alone my money. - AngryPenguin47, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8I love how nobody ever cites their sources when they throw out ridiculus figures like this:
FTA
"although iTunes has 70% of the pay to download music market - only 1 in 40 of all tracks downloaded on the web are ever paid for. That's 2.5%"
there's an 99.5% chance you're a dumbass. - ayeroxor, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8"Krippendorf's Tribe" was pretty cute, and "What about Bob?" rocked. You suck.
- DoctaStooge, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Take the movie RKO 281 as a perfect example. Citizen Kane was a shot right at William Randolph Hearst. Hearst tried to use his newspaper swagger to convince the Motion Picture Studios to block the film, and screw over Orson Welles. So I think there is at least some truth to what Dreyfus said.
- pathy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8But they aren't making as much money, you damned fool!
What are they supposed to do when they have to actually eat food that isn't imported from some far off country?!
Or gasp, wear clothes that AREN'T HAND MADE?
You sicken me. - Osjpr, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Lost sales is mostly a myth. Bands get more exposure with p2p file sharing, and can sell their product to a wider market. Secondly, a lot of people would never buy the albums they download. There is no lost sale, from these people. In fact, if they play the music to their circle of friends, then some of those friends may buy the music and in turn other listeners may want to do the same. There are some lost sales, but not many.
- mlkmnz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Thats what I love about the internet and piracy. Overnight you have millions of consumers voting with their mouses, not their wallets. So while the big media corporations would love to sit on their asses and watch the cash roll in, the worm has turned, its us who sets the price and what we want, and now they have to work for every goddamn penny.
If only fuel could be downloaded.... - ayeroxor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6"Money is the root of all evil."
Most mis-quoted quote EVER.
"THE LOVE OF Money is the root of all evil." - martinjones, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6If you went to a restaurant and didn't like the food, you could refuse to pay for it.
Maybe the cinemas could introduce this scheme - if you didn't enjoy the movie, you don't pay for it. That'd get Hollywood producing better stuff... - SparkyPine, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Maybe Hollywood, and even the RIAA, should consider another angle. Maybe it's not simply a matter of not putting out quality content (although I will never argue that it isn't) but that there are other choices out there to compete with. For instance, I would prefer to sit in my basement on weekends with my son and a few of his friends having a COD2 pizza party than go to a movie. Beat that, Hollywood.
- Evil-Dragon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Piracy has always been around since forever, no matter what media. Cassette tape, compact disc, Video tape, DVD & The Internet. It is pretty obvious why people do pirate movies and download, either because they don't care about the law or they cannot afford the prices that the movie industries place on DVD's/CD's/etc..
People will do whatever they want to do, laws or not. If there is a majority on something then it means something is right. Labels have got to change their image. The more they blackmail, sue, cheat and lie to honest working people then the longer this will go on.
Money is the root of all evil. - shitthisfook, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5On music:
They are so full of *****, I don't pay for CDs because I don't want to support these stupid companies. Only the artists should get my money, and the people who helped them MAKE the music (recording engineers, etc). Not some stupid suit.
I swear, if there was a system where you could DIRECTLY support the artists (buying mp3s directly after hearing previews, or a donation link), things would be much better. Music should be a democracy in the future, no more corporate produced crap clogging the airwaves. Only quality will survive because we let it. This would be beautiful.
On Movies:
I enjoy watching movies in theatres when the conditions are good, honestly I do. The experience is relaxing, it's fun, and I have many memories of watching good movies in the theatre.
But DVDs just aren't for some people. Watching movies twice is something I rarely do, and if I want to archive a movie for later use, then I prefer doing it on my harddrive. No outrageous fees for a ***** disc in a box, and NO double dipping (including extra scenes 5 years after release in a special edition, making my copy inferior).
At least with the movies I'll always feel OK paying money (they ARE providing me a comfortable place to sit, superb picture and sound quality a/c in the summer, etc). The experience is better, sometimes you are more into a movie when watching it with a crowd as long they're not obnoxious. A DVD does not provide this, I'd much rather download.
And screw the actors who get paid ridiculous amounts of money for a film. You have money to pay 20 million per movie, but can't feed the homeless? That makes me so freaking mad. - mariusaz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4You don't need a huge budget to make an awesome movie. Look at Clerks II. I loved that movie.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7lol there's a digg effect on the wu orleans torrent
- DoctaStooge, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5At least you won't find Dreyfus in any of those "Stop Movie Piracy" commericals.
- DoctaStooge, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4If a two tier internet gets made, watch out for the P2P traffic to get cut down dramatically, if not at all the way.
- scooterbaga, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4No kidding. I kept thinking it would tie in or something. Or that it would somehow turn religious.
- buglord, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Right, City of Gods was the culmination of a street worker project.
The Making-Of on the DVD is interesting. They were trying to get kids off the street and into acting. At first, most of them were timid or thought it was silly. But by the end, the workers were surprised, sometime even afraid of the raw emotion in their acting. The kids had to fight every day for their survival and it showed.
The actor playing Carrot was the only pro on the set, as far as I know.
And if you liked the film, there's a follow-up series called The City of Men, which is also interesting although it is pretty brief and lacks the raw energy of the film. - ayeroxor, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4"Torrents, piracy and beyond: will the film industry survive?"
What a stupid question. As a musician and theatrical artist, I know I would be performing for my neighbors if we survived nuclear holocaust. Real artists perform because they're driven to perform. There maybe fewer Britney Spearses however.
The real question is, "Will the industry survive as it is?" and the answer, gloriously, is no. It will change, or it will die and a new one will take its place. Again, not my definition of tragedy. - cuposmuck, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3piracy is like speeding now a days... everyone does it, nobody cares, and if u get caught pay the fine and then continue on doing it the next day...
- SpungE, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2No matter how many people pirate, the cinema screen playing the uncompressed reel will always be better. No matter how many people pirate, the rush of a live concert will always be better. No matter how many people pirate, the industry professionals who make money from software are always going to buy it so their business gets shut down.
- ayeroxor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'm Bob Grips, and I'd like to say that we are in fact eating just fine, thank you.
/Is that your apostrophe over there? - SportBilly, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Greedy fecklers won't get a penny out of me. If they were reasonably priced then yes i would but thats never going to happen. And if they come knocking they can go fish my HDD out of the river!! Don't be bullied...long live the revolution!!
- omnithought, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2If they pumped out less crap they wouldn't have to complain. If a movie is good, I have no problem seeing it in the theater.
I don't care much if the industry fails. Creative people will keep on creating good stuff and finding ways to get it out there. If you dig around on YouTube, you'll find some real gems hidden amongst all the fluff. - h2gofast, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2They already are trying. Take the time to track the bills that the Hollywood's lobbyist have paid our congressmen and senators to float. Democrats as well as Republicans have been on Hollywood's meal ticket trying to outlaw this p2p with stiffer penalties.
- jnorris441, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Then he said "I think the studios are going to ignore this particular problem, until it swims up and BITES THEM IN THE ASS!"
- hiscity, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"Illegal whatever" spins around lotsa money too.
Does that mean it shouldn't be reduced?
Here's an alternative scenario to passive (*) entertainments. (* couch potato)
There's a "game" called geocaching, which is like a treasure hunt. People put out buckets with a log book and "goodies" stashed away at some location that's often out of sight. You use a GPS and clues to find the bucket. The idea is to take something and leave something. Lots of cell phones have GPS now.
It's a good example of an augmented reality game. With GPS -- all kinds of virtual constructs can be built into a viewing (or receiving) system tied to your movements. The best thing would be VR style goggles, but even virtual soundscapes and stereo headsets would do. I'm not talking about simple games. The whole thing could be a portal onto an avatar community. The idea is to travel about, explore, walk, run, skate or dance through it.
It would be good if the same thing could be done with a wifi broadcast and receiver in a smaller area, such as a back yard or car port.
So no, hollywood is hazardous to your health cause they give you cheap thrills instead of interesting exercise, (such as virtual dance floors).
When the entertainment pushers understand this -- they'll know that their time is running out just as has theater, coal mining, blacksmithing, stagecoaches, and all things that pass.
There's a new economy coming to replace the old. Won't be soon enough.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=geocaching - ashlvsya, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Is it just me who feels that maybe the street kids on City of God deserve the money more than Tom?
Also why don't they pay movie stars an annual wage and lock them to one company. Then if you want 2 actors from different companies to co-star together then the movie companies can make deals. None of this he/she will go to the highest bidder crap. - astrotrain, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"will the film industry survive?"
Yes, if they start making better pictures then the lame-ass remakes or dopey crap that
have out now. No way would I pay $10.00 to see a re-re-remake of King Kong. So what
it has new special effects.
What gets me is when they advertise "best movie of 2006!" and its only 01/03/2006,
same company who makes the same statement states their next movie is the
best of 2006... now how many "best movies" can you have when claiming one for the
entire year?
Or when movie companies invent fake critics, such as the one for the movie "The Animal", Sony (if I am mistaken) invented a critic that said it was such a good movie.
Movie studios are using the Piracy Scape-goat for low figures on movies, when in reality. it is the movie that stinks and nobody wants to see it, Hollywood is now out of the x-million dollars it gave to produce the picture. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Of darned course it's not going to wreck the film industry. They just aren't getting any more money than last year.
- somnus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Now they will be doomed to a life of only semi-luxury...
- Nightfall, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3I somewhat agree. The issue is that there are people on both sides of the fence who use Bittorrent or other P2P applications. On one side, you have the people who try before they buy, download what they can't get in stores, or view a TV show or movie once and then delete it. These are the people who would gladly spend a little money seeing a movie in a theater instead of downloading and viewing it on thier system while not going to see it on the big screen. These people have no issue with spending money on a CD of their favorite band instead of just downloading it and not spending any money on it.
Then, on the other side, you have the people who would rather download and not put money back in the system. Buy a CD of their favorite band? They have the attitude that the RIAA are a bunch of asshats and why should they give them money when they should get it for free? Same goes for a popular software package. Why spend $50 on Prey when you can download and play it for free?
This whole arguement about lost sales is accurate when you think about it. I personally know about 10 people who have been downloading but not spending any money on software, music, and movies. I know there are more out there.
Oh, and another thing. If its a ***** product, why spend the time downloading it, installing it, watching it, or using it? If you don't like a ***** product, then don't spend the time on it. If the product is that damn bad, people shouldn't be downloading it. Its that simple. If you really feel that way, then you should boycott the products all together. - tucsonwc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1If you had read the article in context you would see:
Forrest Gump earned over $677 million at the box office worldwide, yet famously never made a ‘profit’. The Blair Witch Project, the low budget $35,000 guerilla filmmaking legend (the most profitable film ever made according to Guiness), grossed well over $248 million at the box office alone yet the filmmakers are apparently still yet to see more than their original $1m advance. As Richard Dreyfus recently said "So the guys who started this business all cheated somebody to get there, and now they're being cheated, perhaps, by all these crazy, geeky people all over the internet. I must say, my anguish level is not great."
So who are the thieves here? - yuriko, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Agreed. Change is a good thing when one model falls down and another (hopefully better one) replaces it. Wouldn't it be nice if artists (musicians, filmmakers, etc) could create, get paid for it and not get ripped off by the guys (distributors, producers, film / record companies) who make quite a lot out of overpriced DVD's CDs, etc...
Lost sales... yeah lost overpriced sales at nice margins. Wouldn't it be nice to have movies priced at $2 - $5, download them, watch them on your computer, or burn to DVD and watch on your TV with your mates. Isn't it about art? culture, humanity evolving and sharing ideas and stories?
I'm looking forward to the revolution... - lookinglass, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Piracy is not only good for people who love music, but is fantastic for artists as well. As it has been said before, "The Internet is the great equalizer." How many more striving artists have a platform for their music to be heard now. Truly gifted artists will always be able to earn enough money by performing or by selling merchandise. Only the bands that have mass appeal and who's art has something that may speak to the audience's soul will succeed. The people will filter artists. No longer will conservative and tasteless record executives filter artists based only on the predictability of the returns that their artistic style is yielding at that time. No longer will labels have a say in what an artist should do artistically or what constitutes art. Historically art has been a concept, and a kind of spiritual and universal communication to be shared freely with as many people as possible, and not something to be mass produced and sold as a product. Another point is that most of the musicians and artists that I listen to, and some I know personally have nothing but contempt for labels, love downloading music, and use the Internet as their main route for distributing their music. I could go on and on and on. If this is thievery, it is the most moral kind of thievery. You know, it's the Robin hood kind. Great article. Don't let the man in power intimidate you and halt the progression of art and humanity.
- innovafandg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Its sicking and sadning all in one, about the claim of theft over the internet of music or movies/etc. Some of the big wigs in the industry complain about piracy, but yet they are the ones charging outrageous prices for there product.
- mapkinase, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1They are already looking for the main valves.
- kirashira, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@*****
Please dont give us that BS. You and I both know that you do not buy these CD's because, you similar to me like to get things for FREE. Now stop with this ***** that you would pay for the CD if it all went to the artist and the producers BECAUSE you and I both know you wouldn't and you would continue to download. -
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