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- wracker92, on 07/19/2009, -1/+18Add Rotten Tomatoes, Corona's Coming Attractions and Metacritic to that list.
- bmcnally, on 07/19/2009, -0/+9IMDB is a great site to go for in checking up on movies, but it's a pretty crappy social area. Besides a disjoint forum system with a layout that sucks, many of the commenters on the forums float between there and YouTube.
- inactive, on 07/19/2009, -1/+9I was personally able to thank Duncan Jones on IMDB for his film, Moon, by commenting to a post he made. Doesn't get much better than that.
- Br0wn, on 07/19/2009, -1/+8Movie Poop Shoot?
- glasszach, on 07/19/2009, -0/+5Something is wrong with this site!
It's all on one page - flickchart, on 07/19/2009, -0/+4The algorithm certainly has room for improvement - we'd agree - and we're continuing to refine it while we're still in our private beta. We're developing and testing iterations of the algorithms internally and will be working to improve it on an ongoing basis.
The ranking of movies actually does give you a truer and more honest result of your taste in film, but certainly the more you rank, the more accurate your lists will become. The reason we think other sites' systems are flawed is that the granularity of applying an arbitrary value to a film (stars, points, percentages) is inherently less valuable. If you say two films are "5 star" films, which is the better film? If you have to compare two films directly, it forces you to determine the value of each film in a more concrete way, and sometimes your decisions - and ultimately your lists - will surprise you.
We do actually have a recommendation system built around the movies that you tell us that you haven't seen while you're ranking, which we are able to provide listed in order of greatness as determined by the Flickchart community. At a glance - and with no extra work on your part - you're able to see which movies are the highest ranked that you have yet to see. In addition to this, we'll be adding more options for filtering these recommendations among your friends and custom groups, and recommendations by year, decade, genre, director, and actor in the near future. So you could find out the best Scorsese film you haven't seen, the best movie from 2006 you and your friends haven't seen, the best 80's action movie you haven't seen, or any other type of combination. - perrycarter, on 07/19/2009, -1/+5Flickchart sounds cool, I'm going to go check it out. Thanks for posting.
- Dealjobber, on 07/19/2009, -0/+4How long does it usually take to get an invite from flickcharts? I love the idea it presents and can't wait to start going through with it.
- Jordan117, on 07/19/2009, -1/+5Flickcharts is a great site -- while it confirmed some favorites I already knew I had (WALL-E, Children of Men, Dark Knight), it identified a lot more movies that I would've been hard-pressed to name off the top of my head as my favorites but which I realized I actually loved more than almost anything else (O Brother Where Art Thou, The Truman Show, Runaway Jury, Sunshine). It also integrates the community features well -- it lets you view and leave comments on specific matchups, and has a cool function that shows you the most popular community-rated movies that you said you haven't seen. They even have an iPhone version!
I just wish they'd expand to books and television. It's a great system for ratings in general.
Also, another site they should have included is TVTropes. Despite the name, they cover movies too, and in a fascinating way. Basically, they'll give a short description of the movie, followed by a list of all the "tropes" it has -- cliches, commanalities, patterns, and stereotypes. It sounds really dull, but it's incredibly fascinating to see a movies distinguishing characteristics distilled so deftly and humorously. And it's a wiki, so you can add your own observations. Here's the page for "Up", for example:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/Up?from ... - uremomsnitemare, on 07/19/2009, -0/+3did anyone not expect imdb to be at the top of this list?
- rubenz, on 07/19/2009, -0/+3IMDb launched in 1990?!
- flickchart, on 07/19/2009, -0/+3We send out more invites on a daily basis, so you should get your invitation within the next few weeks. The response has been quite high, so we're limiting the amount of new sign-ups to keep our servers running smooth and performing well for everyone. Appreciate your interest!
- Quicky, on 07/19/2009, -0/+3Yes, I still have to reply to your e-mail about the algorithm that you sent me in reply to my own feedback e-mail.
I certainly agree with you that the granularity of many rating websites is often a limiting factor, especially when you only have 1, 2, 3, 4 or 5 stars available (say, Netflix) or even half stars (Flixter). I don't need more than that when I rate songs for which my "taste" isn't as developed as for movies, but when I rate movies I want to differentiate much much more. However there's a level of resolution where your accuracy becomes limited by fluctuations in your mood and opinion rather than by the granularity of the rating system. When I have seen 700 movies, I can often differentiate quite well in the top 10 between single movies, but when you get down to the middle-field, I really can't say whether #355 really is better than #360 or even #370. That's just way too detailed, and today I might say something very different than tomorrow. Criticker has just about the level of detail that I need and want. It allows me to rate in single percentage-points which is detailed enough for the top films while already being a bit too detailed in the bottom films.
I'm not saying that your train of thought is ultimately flawed, I'm only saying that currently I don't think it's optimized at all. I can prove to you that I find your concept valuable since I made something exactly like flickchart (picking between movies) for my own last year. The difference between my version and yours is that I used my version to *improve* upon the ratings I submitted to Criticker. I used those ratings as a base, and used the "pick-a-movie"-game to make the ratings more accurate. I don't think it is possible to make an accurate list of 700 movies quickly enough without basing the initial list on ratings submitted by the user in some way or another. I suspect that it will take too many rankings to get the same accuracy like I have in my ratings list on Criticker. Ranking movies on flickchart.com is more fun, but I don't think it can beat the accuracy of entering your own ratings in percentage points.
Ultimately, it's also about your target audience. Not everybody wants to spend time figuring out whether he'll give Titanic a 65/100 or a 64/100. The people who do will be happier at Criticker, I suspect. The people who don't, probably don't care as much about their ratings and will be happier at flickchart.com. Fortunately for you, the former audience is likely to be bigger ;).
Lastly, about the recommendations... The power of Criticker is that it tells you what YOU will like, not what EVERYONE likes. A top list generated by thousands of users is interesting, but it's just an average, not tailored to your own taste. The top list at flickchart has Ghostbusters at #18. That's quite high. Criticker correctly estimates that I will find Ghostbusters merely "pretty good", not "amazing" like a #18 place would suggest. Ghostbusters is just not my kind of movie and Criticker's recommendations reflect that. Filter recommendations among your friends and in other ways will be handy and I fully suggest you do exactly that, but... it's still not about what *I* like. It will still be about what the community likes. And in the end, I don't think that's what recommendations are about. I don't care what the average 24-year old American citizen likes. It's interesting to know what the average 24-year old American citizen likes, and that is exactly why I will be keeping tabs on your website, but it's not what I'm looking for. I want to know what *I* will enjoy. - Quicky, on 07/19/2009, -1/+4I'm really glad Criticker.com got added to this list. It's been my favourite film website since I discovered it last year. I haven't found any other website that gives recommendations as accurate as Criticker does. Futhermore it makes it very easy to read reviews of films by film enthusiasts with similar tastes like you, making it very effective at getting an even better idea of whether you'll like a movie or not.
Note: before you judge Criticker's rankings make sure you rate at least 50 movies, and preferably about 100. It does take this amount of movies to get accurate recommendations.
I'm also kind of surprised not to see rottentomatoes.com in here. I use it quite a lot to read full-fledged reviews of my favourite pro-reviewers (which I actually found *using* criticker.com!). - okidda, on 07/19/2009, -0/+2works for me... only the top 5 mentioned here are worth reading... rest all are the same...
- vincente, on 07/19/2009, -1/+3Criticker does it for me. Very active forums!
- gusyehia, on 07/19/2009, -0/+2thanks thats great list
- GillyBerlin, on 07/19/2009, -0/+2Criticker FTW :D
- rik408, on 08/02/2009, -0/+1IMDB is good for information only.
The discussion boards are mainly the province of the young and/or ignorant.
Typical topics you will always come across are:
* (Fill in the blank) is *the* worst movie I have ever seen.
* I saw the ending coming a mile away
* (Fill in the blank) is *so* gay/ghey
* Looks like...
* "Is it just me or..."
* (Fill in the blank) is over-rated
...and, there you have it. - Quicky, on 07/19/2009, -1/+2Also, while flickchart sounds cool and is very addictive and actually enjoyable to play around with... I found its algorithm to rank your movies doesn't work well. But more importantly, it doesn't really give you anything. I'm not sure what the goal of flickcharts is really... It doesn't rank your movies very well, and it doesn't recommend you any movies or lets you review movies. The only thing it does is make a list of the best movies out there according to what they think is "everyone". Tastes differ however, so the value of this escapes me. Criticker.com on the other hand exploits this difference in tastes to the fullest, recommending you movies based on what YOU and people *like* you enjoy and not on what *everyone* likes or thinks they like.
- evw2k, on 07/19/2009, -2/+3I actually discovered The Auteurs earlier today. Their list of films by popularity is superb.
http://www.theauteurs.com/films - darthweder, on 07/19/2009, -0/+1I found it because of this list and I just spent an hour going through their list of top rated films and marking the ones that looked interesting to me. Definitely a good site.
- hellengineer, on 07/19/2009, -0/+1I did.
- cjr71244, on 07/20/2009, -0/+1http://www.movielens.org/
MovieLens uses a technology called collaborative filtering to generate movie recommendations. It works by matching together users with similar opinions about movies. Each member of the system has a 'neighborhood' of other like-minded users. Ratings from these neighbors are used to create personalized recommendations for the target user.
GroupLens Research is part of the Department of Computer Science and Engineering at the University of Minnesota. We study a number of research areas:
* Recommender system algorithms
* Information filtering
* Interface design
* Online community design and theory
* Mobile computing
We built MovieLens as an experimental platform to allow us to study these areas in ways that help real people with real needs. By using MovieLens and (optionally) participating in occasional studies, our members help us learn to give them even better movie recommendations. - Gerbil_Juice, on 07/19/2009, -0/+1Rotten Tomatoes for the win.
- fishstock, on 07/19/2009, -0/+1rotten tomatoes definitely should be on the list my personal favorite is Firstshowing.net
- inactive, on 07/19/2009, -1/+1What? No Jinni.com?!
- laughtracks, on 07/19/2009, -1/+1
www.movielaughtracks.com, for the comedy take... - hellengineer, on 07/19/2009, -4/+3What no metacritic, obviously the author isn't a movie buff. I am going to post my own list on my blog for real movie lovers. But this is going to make FP.
- Cararan, on 07/19/2009, -2/+1Flixster is a must visit, great site
- jpyumul, on 07/19/2009, -4/+2IMDB got the best reviews and ratings INMHO.
- enzo47, on 07/19/2009, -4/+1IMDB was the only legitimate site there. Joblo should be on there as well as Rotten Tomatoes.
- bluewithinblue, on 07/19/2009, -4/+1triggerstreet.com
- parthpatel2010, on 07/19/2009, -4/+0any one have list of gr8 social sites to lead traffic!!
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