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- TexMachina, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19HD is unstoppable!
It's going to take over the video market just like DVD-Audio took over the audio market. I mean, who buy CDs anymore, right? Am I right? Can I get an amen? - MacGyver2210, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Every time someone creates better copyrighting, god builds a better cracker.
- Urusai, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Ever notice that most changes are for the worse nowadays? I'm not being Luddite here, I mean seriously, hardly anyone seems to want to make the world a better place, just to make more money, and they poison any nominal advancement to ensure that. Thank you capitalism.
- aran86, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5my computer monitor is the only hd display in my house. so i'm just as concerned about getting a faster internet connection to download those huge hd movies after their stupid drm is cracked.
- Wysz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I agree that this DRM is going to suck... SD DVDs already make me angry when I'm forced to watch an FBI piracy warning. The only people who have to see the warnings are the ones who buy DVDs! I doubt they're included in BitTorrent files.
Not to mention the fact that I would have to break the law and use illegal software to rip a purchased DVD to my computer for my own personal use.
So I'm digging this, but I have to admit I probably won't boycott, since I can't not buy movies. - jav1231, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I've said it once...I'll say it again. Unless Joe Sixpack can get his HDTV at WalMart for $299, this won't happen. It's going to take longer than they realize. Money, people, money makes the world go 'round. And Budweiser wants Joe Sixpack to keep drinkin'. Dorito's wants him to buy their snacks. Erlene's going to need lots of foundation to get purtied-up for goin' to town. Their TV is what suggests to them what they need on their shopping list.
- Elranzer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Maybe this was why Nintendo isn't supporting HD with their Revolution...
- deimos, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3DRM aside, I think they've already screwed themselves with not being able to agree on a format. My HD-upconversion DVD player works perfectly fine for me.
- orniter, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I won't be buying any of the new HD technology. I haven't watched TV for 4 years now and see no reason to go back to TV or Hollywood. Books are more profound than any entertainment that I've seen and I have access to over 2,000 years worth of human knowledge for next to nothing in terms of price. I can't help but wonder why people are so dependent upon entertainment that requires no creative thought (just sit down, plug in) when our race has kept itself perfectly busy without TV for the last 30,000-150,000 years. I'm only 20 years old and I'm already disgusted with our generation. In the last year alone I've added more depth and value to my life by reading than 50 years worth of TV watching ever could and I have a better appreciation for the Universe we live in, for human life as a whole, and the value of education - heck, I'm even significantly more employable as a result! Books - what could be better?
- beelz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4fight the power
- RobotCitizen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"You may think you are lashing out against greedy corporations, but the artist gets it in the end."
Artists have been "getting it in the end" for years by the industry's unscrupulous accounting tricks, well before digital piracy existed. Arttists are usually left with mere pennies for each CD sold while the labels laugh all the way to the bank. And that's often after the label sticks the artist with the bill for various promotion expenses. Artists can go gold and still end up owning the label money. Why do you think artists prefer to tour? That's where their profit comes from, not CD sales.
And also, the notion that every single download = a lost sale is pure *****. - DS513, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Blu-Ray and HD DVD:
Whoever wins, we lose. - BassCadet, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It will be funny when somebody sells a $50 HDCP defeater that will send video through component or DVI connection to any device.
It will happen. - doublebackslash, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I will use whatever format i can rip to my DVD jukebox/Myth TV box. Besides, most DVDs these days are 780x420 Progressive for widescreen, that's pretty good.
- Fryth, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Hey, this is a real problem, people. Bear with my analogy. If I buy something physical, like a soccer ball, for instance, I own it, and nobody can take anything away. I don't have to pay for the right to lend it to my friend, or play with it in more than 5 soccer fields before buying additional licenses. That would be absurd! I paid for it, I own it, I can do whatever I want with it! But what if I could easily make a copy of it and give it to a friend? What does that ability mean to me? Not much, really; at that point, I'd be pretty safe in the notion that most people already have a soccer ball, and I don't care, and if someone wants it, they can ask me I guess, and if I'm not busy, I'll burn them a soccer ball. Big deal.
My point is that this is the reality of what file copying does to society. More people have soccer balls and the pro soccer players are freakin' thrilled. The soccer ball making companies suddenly realize they aren't worth anything anyway, because they don't set the rules of soccer, they don't design soccer balls or anything (they just use an old specification written by someone else), and they basically do nothing.
Anyway, that's my analogy; I hope it worked.
But the stuffy old guys just don't get it. - cranium, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Remember DivX? How nobody bought it because of the DRM?
If we boycott this stuff, something else will come along. For now, DVD is fine. - schmiggyjk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1scarcasm my friend, google it.
- Bostonsox, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You know who decides what wins a format war. Marketing first, then features. I don't see this being a battle over features since right now both are overkill. So let the marketing begin...
"Oh this dvd player has ultra-playback scanblocking, but that one has Anti-fade display technology".
What's worse is trying to explain to your parents that all those words are marketing techniques. - Xiol, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The only way to get messages about DRM and stuff across to the Joe Consumer is to make fancy videos about it and distribute them around, kinda like LAFKON did.
Check it out if you haven't seen it: http://www.lafkon.net/tc/ - stublag, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2what ever happened to fair use :(
- drn666, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"I will use whatever format i can rip to my DVD jukebox/Myth TV box. Besides, most DVDs these days are 780x420 Progressive for widescreen, that's pretty good."
It is, until you start watching content in 1920x1080 or playing games in 1280x720p. Then you realise 780x420 isn't 'pretty good' at all... it's 'pretty crappy', actually.
The difference between HDTV and DVD, visually, is even greater than the difference between DVD and VHS from a perception point of view. - Wyattx17, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The Internet.
- lordsandwich, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Here's to hoping for an H.264+DVD solution, with a nudge from Apple and iTunes...
- hitdiggity, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It's bad enough that you can't play a DVD that you buy in one country in another country without breaking the law. This new plan just plain sucks.
- SilentBobSC, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Too late, the laws are passed, the deals have been made, everyone slept through the wakeup call a couple years ago so don't get pissed when you loose all your Fair Use rights.
It's entirely possible there will be a work around, but as we get closer to quantum encryption we find ourselves closer to the impenetrable copy protection. Now don't get me wrong, I was in the scene back in the days of 300bps acoustic couplers, but I am practical enough to realize that the people with the deepest pockets get what they want, especially when you have an uninformed public that only takes action once it's too late. - Ribald_Jester, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2people think this orwellian crap can be hacked. Umm, try again - it won't be - not for a very long time - if ever. Fair use is gone and our congress morons don't know anything except to waddle up to their feedbins and be force fed money from the RIAA/MPAA lobbyists. What a load of *****. I for one will hold off buying any HD stuff. I'll stick with Mythtv and dvd's. TV/movies just isn't that good to give up my rights and be forced to pay for all this crap.
- grin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Blu-Ray is Sony. You know, the folks who think rootkit violation of your computer is cool. I want HD-DVD to win, regardless of the overall questions raised in this discussion. Talking about "HD" as a bad thing is sort of pro-Sony in itself. So get a clue and talk about next generation discs. Then maybe the point you're making won't get sidetracked by Sony's disregard of customers.
- Trinitrogen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1AACS will not be cracked for quite sometime. I for one welcome our new insect leaders.
- Namco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1If it uses AES 256 to encrypt the authentication requests, that russian server should take about 10^24 years to crack the goddam request..... I'll go read the article now :)
- JimXugle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"my computer monitor is the only hd display in my house. so i'm just as concerned about getting a faster internet connection to download those huge hd movies after their stupid drm is cracked."
Hell yeah. *looks for bigger Display for Linux computer* - Wrathernaut, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I suggest we take unauthorized disks to every store displaying the fancy new players. Should show consumers the true capabilities of the devices.
- kaleberg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1HD is just Compact Laser Disk II. How many people do you know who bought compact laser disks? Well, they're all going to buy HD, too.
- joeljkp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Hate to break it to you, but if you want to live a completely DRM-free existance, you'll have to go back to VHS. At least most CDs are clean.
- njbair, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0When Blu Ray comes out everybody is going to want to replace their existing DVD collections. Then some new format will come out and people will say "enough is enough". They'll be sick of content ownership and the committment to an old, obsoleted format. Imagine unlimited video "rental", a la Netflix, without the need to ship DVDs back and forth. Sounds good to me.
- ThugEsquire, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Count me as "on the bandwagon" of this whole HD protest. I really don't need to be able to buy HD content or hardware anyway.
- jzp-digg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The entertainment content producers need to get the clue from what happened in software production and head into flexible licensing land. I don't mind there's commercial software with insane licenses -- I don't buy it, and my computer isn't crippled to try and be compatible only with it.
The tools/devices should not be crippled to the latest whiz-bang DRM, and the content producers need to realize that if they want the latest DRM they are marketing only to a segment of the population that will accept it.
Don't argue about boycotting a format, etc - argue that the device manufacturers need to have a freaking spine. - jensguld, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I have seen the new stuff. Not good enough. When something moves fast or even not very fast, the picture is just not good enough. Cartoons seem to work well enough.
The clever plan is to abolish analog TV. That will give the consumer no choice.
HARH HARH HIDR HIDR ROTFL and then some.
The future TV will be PC and you can watch your shows when you want to and not when the programmer want to. - nogami, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I'm in - I'm NOT buying a HD-DVD player until I can get a player that handles all formats out there, and which outputs 1080i over a component video connection. And I'm willing to wait a long, long time until I get that...
Of course, countries other than the US will likely develop filters/boxes to remove the encryption from a HDCP stream - and I'll buy a player then. And it's not that I plan on uploading files to friends or making copies of stuff I buy, but when I buy something, I demand the ability to do whatever I want with it... - schmiggyjk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0...
- schmiggyjk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Pick a up region free dvd player, ala the Phillips dvp 642 and that isnt even a worry.
- MacApprentice, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Actually, most VHS tapes have Macrovision. Mike
- createthezerone, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I don't know if anyone has mentioned this but we all have to support indie media (movies AND music) and not give in to pop culture crap and maybe, just maybe the indie labels will have the funding to be able to make just as popular movies as the mainstream ones; except without DRM. Just like the indie music scene and how popular it's has been for the last however many years, with all the easily accessible software/production tools it's becoming easier and easier to make good music.
- Marfanity, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Hold on to your old equipment.
- synch42, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I won't be getting a HDTV because _I don't have the freaking money_
As far as HD content goes, I don't care because _I can't freaking afford it_
When they shut off the analog signal it won't ruin my day. Watching actual TV is a waste of my time anyway. I'll stick with the movies and TV show I have copies of and have deemed "good"
I'm not boycotting, I'm just choosing to spend my money on more important things... like food. - igdrasa, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0If it uses AES 256 to encrypt the authentication requests, that russian server should take about 10^24 years to crack the goddam request..... I'll go read the article now :)
Anyone who thinks they don't get it, I think they have the lock pretty tight on this one, but nothing a HD cam and couple of line outs won't fix.
On the plus side, this is great news for indie media.
Rootkits are cool! - OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This is the kind of thing that makes people go postal.
That would be funny, wouldn't it? The first massacre caused by DRM. - Georgy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0wat do the ppl like me who have only analog HDTV's do??
WTF is this?? - Ansible, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Count me in as well! I just bought a 2000$ projector a couple years ago, and there's no HDCP connector on that. There's no way I'm buying a new projector just to enable DRM in my house. If I can't watch a movie on my computer (the projector is the monitor) then I won't be watching it period.
- supersteve, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0these companies are going to shoot them selves in the foot. The gun is Hardware and the bullet being the content and the direction being the DRM aimed at their foot. Ok this makes no sence.........
anyway it will be a while before i buy any HD TVs. I'll stick with my 20" 4 year old Toshiba CRT TV.... oh ya and its a flat tube too baby...... eat that HD TV. - XTrek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I'm not spending a penny on any of these DRM WONDER DRIVES... I'm not stepping backwards in regards to convenience of use. I can copy and save OTA content and backup DVDs. If this changes the NO SALE will be the result.
Good luck Hollywood convincing the public to shoot themselves in the head! -
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