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- imjustabill, on 10/12/2007, -0/+47Look at the date on this article: MAY 15, 2006!!! ITS FROM THE FUTURE!!!!!!
- dementedcrabs, on 10/12/2007, -0/+41So, does that mean we can warn him before the FBI arrests him? To the pirate mobile!
- dementedcrabs, on 10/12/2007, -0/+32"Ten agents swept the house, guns drawn. Patel was found in his bedroom, where he was cuffed and arrested."
They think he is an armed felon who killed someone... That's BS, guns drawn? What are they expecting him to be doing, downloading another "illegal" movie from the net? "Police, close the bit torrent and walk away from the computer now... He's going for the next torrent! Fire". >_> - DarkEnder, on 10/12/2007, -2/+33They're making a huge deal out of this. Most of the pirating going on is someone simply adding their torrent of "The Matrix" to the Pirate Bay. The person who does this doesn't make any money, they do it so they can share something they enjoyed.
- cossackkid, on 10/12/2007, -3/+34 This must be the newest frontier in the ongoing 'War on Terror'. My. Sweet. Ass.
- shikaga, on 10/12/2007, -0/+22Yeah, that is becuase no one "looses" money when some bastard rapes a five year old. But when the movie industry "loses billions" then something must be done.
- JustEvk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+21Rapists usually get 79 months (6.5 years), "weapons offenses" get 91 months (7.5 years), and "murder or manslaughter" will get you 153 months (12.75 years). This guy should've run assaulted someone while on crack and he'd be out sooner.
- headzoo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+21"to bad the MPAA... er FBI does not seem to want to make the distinction..."
It's too bad that the FBI, which seems to have stretched resources as it is, is wasting their time with this kind of stuff. - JustEvk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2023 years for pirating movies? You've got to be kidding me.
- Scruffydan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+20to bad the MPAA... er FBI does not seem to want to make the distinction between a regular Joe downloading a movie, and a massive counterfeiting operation, making and selling fakes.
- spankaccount, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16The FBI are now stooges for the MPAA. This is disgusting.
- Sagarian, on 10/12/2007, -7/+23Your tax dollars are at work 100x more per day in Iraq. This is an interesting sideshow. Its merits may be interesting, but if the punchline implication involves your tax dollars, we have far more immediate and pressing concerns to tend to. Thanks.
- DoctorEvil, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16I can't believe my tax dollars are wasted on clueless FBI's agents working on our dimes performing protection duty for the MPAA cartel. To think you can run a business these days and as a bonus get the government to handle all the enforcement and protection for you, including locking customers away for casual IP infringement for longer than a child molester would recieve.
Kids these days just need to go back to shoplifting, get a slap on the wrist for taking a DVD at BestBuy instead of $4000 lawsuit or 10 years in prison for downloading a torrent file. - Bigcat1021, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18"why my tax waste on this *****?"
You're right. We obviously need to spend more on English class. - 7of7, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16Video pirates? You gotta be kidding me. I assume this is talking about the people who mass produce DVDs and sell them on the streets, but pirates? They really need to come up with a new name for people who sell things they aren't legally able to sell.
- MoFoKeR, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15i think a child molester gets way less time then that..we really got our prioritys messed up once again....anyone one care to fill that one in?
- thehero, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14How about this line:
"Shortly after interviewing with Jolie, A.J. discovered that warez groups used Linux server coding, which he learned in one night. 'He can teach himself anything,'"
What exactly is "Linux server coding" and how in the hell do you learn it in one night? - stevester, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14"If movie studios hope to dodge the fate of the music industry, whose growth was cut short in part by illegal downloading"
I thought downloading music actually boosted music sales? - heffer2k02, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16When will they learn. It's like legalizing drugs. Legalize them, educate people about them, and you can control their quality and tax them. The criminal underworld its totally screwed as it's their main source of revenue. All drug related crime disappears. Users no longer die from snorting cocaine cut with bleach.You can't fight it, it's what the people want.
Like cheap media. The price of films and music is a joke. Artists don't deserve any of my money for listening to their music unless I WANT them to have it. I've paid for most of the music from the artists I love, and not for the rest of my "I'll listen to it, but don't really love it" music. Same goes for video.
So how do you stop myself, or those people who will never pay at all? By offering a service where you can watch and listen to all the films and music you desire for the sum of, say, 40 pounds a month (approx what I pay for my broadband). For 40 pounds a month I no longer need to scour around bittorrent looking for what I want. For 40 pounds a month I live in moral peace that I'm not stealing. I think most people with the internet and a media interest would subscribe to such a service. Piracy goes pop. Artists make money relative to number of downloads, everyones happy, problem solved. - shikaga, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13Yes but the Music Industry is making less money and there must be an explanation for this.
Music Industry: The evil Communist pirates are stealing all our money.
The Truth (In my opinion): People don't want to buy an entire , overpriced, album for only 2 good songs anymore and there is finally an alternative. - Bhima, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13@MoFokeR back in the '90s I had a coworker who was convicted of downloading child-porn. He was given more time than if he answered the door and pumped a few 12 gage rounds into the arresting officer or if he had wired 20 kilos of C4 to his computer... a point that absolutely is not lost on him as he sits in criminal school (AKA prison).
I fear for the next member of enforcement that knocks on his door or picks up his computer when he gets out - sheistcraft, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13my favorite line:
"In November, Fish told A.J. to install a disk drive into the server and copy a programming file to it. That updated the flash memory, allowing Fish to read Xbox games remotely and copy them to the main drive."
i love writers who struggle with technology - stevester, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13I was just reading that they are trying to give Gary McKinnon 70 years for browsing a network. Sure, he hacked, but he didn't harm anyone. How exactly does it make sense to give physically harmful people like murderers and rapists less prison time than people convicted of tech related crimes?
- turbomog007, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11so they put in that many man hours just to bust 3 guys who weren't even selling the dvds?
- bugmenot3, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Actually it's _not_ talking about people mass producing them for sale on the streets. They busted a group of people uploading them for the thrill of being the first to upload them. Yes eventually those copies may make it onto the discs being sold on the streets, but they didn't bust those people, they busted people who are primarily _not_ profiting from thier actions. The criminal copyright laws are really ***** up and only getting worse.
- Rickler, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11I like how this guy writes... it's comical how they have guns drawn.. just in case the pirates throw their booty overboard they can have some fun target practice at the saucering dvd discs.
- bugmenot3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10I read the same thing and laughed. I'm sure "linux server coding" means they use linux boxes to host thier stuff and write thier scripts with the tools freely avaialable on most distros. This is probably some combination of shell scripting, perl, php, etc. Yet in the hands of a sensationalist reporter that has absolutely no idea what he's talking about it's "linux server coding" and is magical or something.
- patm1987, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14Reminds me of the movie, "Hackers"
we should hack a Gibson. - burke, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13Imagine you're at museum. You have a camera, and a mostly empty wallet. In front of you sits the Mona Lisa. To its left is a bucket of full-size prints. Since you don't like the work enough to pay $30 for a print, you snap a picture. Is this stealing? Hardly. It's probably against the museum's rules, but it didn't physically remove property from another person.
Downloading music is not stealing. Walking into CDPlus with a handgun and walking out with a handgun and a box of CDs is, because in the latter case, you are REMOVING PHYSICAL PROPERTY AT A LOSS TO ANOTHER PARTY. - GreyAI, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Anybody who uploads Gigli should be shot....
- wtf00, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9heh - remind of my friend he was arrested in the street buying bootleg on the street for $5 bucks, and he was in NYC county for 3 days and crappy lawyer the state give him said sign confession you bought the dvd, but what gets me what my freind told me the cop said "buying pirate dvd is like buying drugs" i was like ? dvd = drug? tell me how the ***** you smoke/sniff/inject a ***** dvd? I realize they trying make pirting like was drug.. why my tax waste on this *****? why not make the MPAA/RIAA pay for this man power? oh no has to be from our ***** pockets *****.. let me go download MI-III nice way telling this *****, ***** you.
- JoJoDilio, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8"The artist rendered a service, and you're stealing from them."
Call me crazy, but I don't consider music to be a service. A live performance is a service, but music is art. The internet isn't about stealing and petty thievery, but it the DMCA has turned average users into criminals, and the RIAA and MPAA are capitalizing on that. The current laws in place (in America atleast) represent a limitation of user's rights, instead of a balance between the user's rights and those of the copyright holder, a balance that original copyright law reflects.
If you think I'm wrong, look up "Verizon vs. RIAA" or (hate to give them credit for this, but) "Sony vs. Universal City Studios" and check out who's been fighting for consumer's rights to privacy and fair use.
And why is the FBI so concerend with enforcing a national law over an international network while there are so many other, more serious problems to be dealt with in the nation in which they operate? - sagedude, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6From the article:
"A.J. discovered that warez groups used Linux server coding, which he learned in one night. "He can teach himself anything," Jolie says."
Wow! Agent A.J. figured out how to install a linux distro in one night! Genius, pure genius.
/sarcasm - chiptinder, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7lol businessweek.com got diggified
- acariquara, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7You n00b. Ninjas > Pirates, period.
To the NinJet! - MoFoKeR, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7nice job feds , but guess what you busted 1 crew and to take its place there will be 6 crews to pick up the slack in the removal of 1.....good luck on all that......somehow it reminds me on another war we got going on oh oh yea the war on drugs great ..just dont tell me you diverted funds on the war on drugs to start this anti-pirate war...who'd a thunk it!!!!
- barrys, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5LMAO @ THE FBI
The story is written so it sounds like they are actually DOING something. What a ***** joke.
LOL @ busting into "pirates" homes with guns drawn. Yeah, those internet pirates dont play around, gotta be fully loaded when trying to take them thugs down.
FU 2 U.S. Government
FU 2 MPAA
FU 2 RIAA
LOL @ you all. Go find some real criminals, pussies. - thehero, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5who needs to divert funds. Lets just up the amount the federal deficit is allowed to reach again!
- bonked, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Thank God the FBI has time to do all of this, since the borders are secure, there is no terrorism, and actual violent crime is now non-existent.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6"I assume you've never been to China or a flea market in any major city. Most of it is someone trying to make a buck, not just share it for the joy of spreading something they enjoyed."
Oh cool - so how does this explain why the feds are going after torrenters, and not guys selling DVDs at fleamarkets in Chinatown? - ware, on 10/12/2007, -13/+18the government does make money off the drugs. theyre the suppliers! one of the main reasons we're in iraq too :D
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-ware - thirdtenor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4shikaga - you nailed it.
Corporations are more important than people. - Ikioi, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6S.O.P. Police would never rush/raid a home (not talking about a friendly *knock knock* "mind if we come in?") without guns drawn. You never know who sleeps or sits with a .45 or a shotgun next to them. It could be a kid burning DVD's, or a gun -n-u-t-, I mean, lover who decided to download Rambo on the wrong day.
- Shibmaster75, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6If you read the article you realize that that this "sting operation" involved an undercover agent, and countless man hours of taxpayer funded labor. Then we look at the individuals it brought down...3 Dudes who amassed 68 movies " By spring of 2004, Fish and Griffen were busily loading movies -- 68 in all, including Hotel Rwanda, Blade: Trinity, and Monster-in-Law, plus hot new PlayStation 2 and Xbox video games" Not once in the article did it implicate that the villains were selling or profiting from there little game. The reporter draws on the broad landscape of pirates to fill his article. These individuals accomplished something that could have been done 2 months after the movies had been released on DVD and been purchased for 3 for 25 dollars at the local blockbuster, but the Govt, probably spent tens of thousands of dollars on taking down there little competition. If we look at this from a larger scope we see how lobbyists shape policy and said policy uses valuable resources to make examples of small scale pirates.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8Akinder: How dare you abuse my right to steal, er, liberate information! The bytes want to roam freely!
Burke: Bad analogy - the Mona Lisa is old enough to be in the public domain :P - bugmenot3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Ok, now everyone reading this article should go watch all 19 episodes of "The Scene" and then read the article again. The similarities are amusing, especially to those of us who can see through the sensationalist journalism in the article, and edge and intelligence that the scene members have in "The Scene."
http://www.welcometothescene.com/ - Rhaegal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people." -V
- Bigcat1021, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5"guys try it on someone actually give ***** about there writting because I ain't one them.. ;)"
You might not care about your writing, but if you want to communicate with people good (or at least OK) writing is key. You actually had some good points in your original comment, but it was so painful to read that I imagine most people skipped over it.
I'm not trying to be an ass. I just hate to see intelligent thought obliterated by poor communication. - WailOS, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4It's amusing how corrupt the system is. 20 years for ... what? For allowing people to enjoy movies for free? If they're making cash, ok, I can understand some fines. But lets be real, put violent criminals in jail. That's the whole point -- Sequestering the violent ones so they can't hurt people. Putting someone in jail for 20 years for something you can't even prove lost the other guy any money isn't just stupid, it's criminal in itself.
It kind of reminds me of this one guy who was harassing me via a website, claiming that having a chat forum for college students was against the law. In the process of being a major grandstanding hypocrite & *sshole, he launched a DOS attack on the site, violated ethical guidelines of every stripe (against lying, misrepresentation, etc), and was involved in a conspiracy to commit the very acts he was supposedly railing against.
It just goes to show you that the self-appointed guardians of justice are themselves frequently the worst offenders. - Hubris, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3More important than the fact that more will come in to replace those they bust....but this is contrary to the will of the people. As long as the government is trying to enforce rules that are completely contrary to the beliefs and desires of the majority, they will never win. They will however waste a lot of money in the process.
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