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- inactive, on 11/15/2008, -1/+47of'course, hollywood films have been used as propaganda from god knows when. During the cold war it was the soviets who were shown as blood-hungry, grandma beating villains!..and guess what who are the villains today, Arabs!
- MadHarvey, on 11/15/2008, -6/+45They permit on site filming sometimes. I was there when Affleck was filming something--probably Sum of all Fears. They send everyone who might be in the building an email to let them know whats going on, so you can avoid the area if you don't want to get caught on camera, or if you want to stop in and watch the fun.
Anyway, between takes I shouted "Affleck, you the bomb in Phantoms, yo." It got a big laugh from him, as that was probably the last place he was expecting to hear it. Unfortunately, the only thing security heard was "BOMB!" and I was subsequently handcuffed and the build was evacuated. You have to give Affleck credit because the whole time he was trying to explain the joke to the security guards, but they were having none of it. They took me in a room for questioning, and after 2 hours of me explaining the detailed history and inside jokes of Kevin Smith films, they let me go home (free day off!) until they could file the report. The only problem was, that I car pooled that day. So, I had to whistle for a cab and when it came near the license plate said fresh and it had dice in the mirror, if anything I could say that this cab is rare, but I thought nah forget it. - GhostyBoy, on 11/15/2008, -6/+34This is a wicked find, here.
Remember when Oliver Stone made that ultra-lame 9/11 movie? Maybe he was under some kind of duress to do so. You would think from his other work that the guy would be the first to make a film of the "conspiracy theory" version of the events.
My other thought here is that the quickest way to end wars is for soldiers to just stop signing up, which they would if the "support the troops" mantra was not so pervasive in society. You can see where the CIA would have a reason to try and instill this thinking in the public psyche. - fleksor, on 11/15/2008, -4/+31The irony of the CIA buying the rights to George Orwell's "Animal Farm" is too much to handle.
I guess this also explains why the "Dark Knight" so plainly espoused neo-con ideals. - evemarieisrad, on 11/15/2008, -2/+21O.K. ... I knew the whole Panama invasion was rather stinky ... I figured it had alot to do with narco-trafficking. I had no idea that the US was laundering money through Panama. But that fits nicely.... Laundering the drg money in the nation where you are purchasing it ...Oh I mean fighting the war on drugs.
- georgemason01, on 11/15/2008, -1/+1724 comes to mind.
- ciaran036, on 11/15/2008, -1/+16Damn it you got me.
- sodade, on 11/15/2008, -8/+22The CIA is a criminal organization. Idiots think they are "protecting us" and that we just "can't handle the truth." The truth is that their criminal actions have only endangered americans.
- T8erT0T, on 11/15/2008, -4/+17Nothing reeks more of CIA intervention or Hollywood (W)Horedom more than the film United 93. And I'll leave it at that.
- opticwind, on 11/15/2008, -1/+13I figure if you think anything in a movie is worth using as your image of a counter-part in the real world, you could have been recruited with basic super-liminal messaging.
HEY YOU, GO JOIN THE ARMY. - statik99, on 11/03/2009, -5/+16If they don't stay involved, they would never have had the chance to steal conceptual ideas from Bond movies or even Get Smart.
- DrankyDrank, on 11/15/2008, -1/+11Hahahahaha..... yes
You made my day - insanebrain, on 11/15/2008, -3/+13Noticed the increase of terrorist-plot movies/series ? They simply use hollywood to increase to 'fear of terror'.. .. and the people love it. .. .suckers.
- sodade, on 11/15/2008, -2/+11"Not saying they don't have some shady dealings - how couldn't they?"
Some? ***** that - just take just one example: Iran. Not only did the CIA ***** them so hard in 53 that they became a psycho theocracy, but we are TO THIS VERY DAY involved in a proxy war with them (and that leaves out a huge pile of crap in the middle). To blow that off as "some shady dealings" is ludicrous. "How couldn't they?" - well having public oversight into their CRIMINAL acts would be a ***** start.
The truth is that the only military danger we face is of our own making. "If we knew everything" most americans would hang their heads in shame and demand that our government stop ***** the world with our corporate sponsored warfare.
"And also why the hell wouldn't you want to make the country look good in a damn Hollywood movie?"
Because it is a ***** distracting LIE. There is blood on all of our hands and honesty is the only way we are going to achieve a just society.
We have much more to lose by keeping secrets than we do by shining a flashlight into the rat's nest. - dopste, on 11/15/2008, -1/+10Have you watched any recent films?
- bxblox, on 11/15/2008, -0/+9On 24 anyone who is ever accused of anything gets tortured. I wonder how true that is...
- fleksor, on 11/15/2008, -1/+10your powers of reasoning are foolproof!
- Observant1, on 11/15/2008, -4/+12Hollywood, a thin switch of holly, a wizards wand to change reality is where the name originated. the CIA is also thick in mainstream propaganda "news". historian Jordan Maxwell had a lot of very educational things to say about these devils and their symbols.
- sabique, on 11/15/2008, -2/+10CIA is working everywhere in the world to disturb democracy.
To make an 'American' world. - ciaran036, on 11/15/2008, -0/+8Panama? The CIA were involved in terrorist attacks, coups and assassinations in dozens of countries all around the world. On wikipedia, the section about CIA activities takes up a tiny portion of the enormous page listing all their covert activities around the world which have directly and indirectly caused the deaths of many, many people.
- inactive, on 11/15/2008, -3/+10the CIA is a vestige of the cold war that should be decommissioned completely.
- MunkeyPirate, on 11/15/2008, -1/+8Anyone who thinks that movies that are based on actual event are completely sunshine and lollypops are fooling themselves. These are still works of fiction so yes the unpleasant is changed to make a happy ending. And if you use movies to gain knowledge of the world I feel sorry for you. Everything you encounter today is propaganda. All one has to do is to pay attention to the news to see that the truth does not matter. Anyone remember the Palin, Africa story from this week?
Yes your movies are propaganda. They want you to buy into their world. Your news papers and books are propaganda, they want to divide you. Your TV is propaganda, they want to sell to you. And the biggest propaganda of all is a government, they want you to think you need them.
Truth has vanished from our media. It has all turned into hearsay, gossip, and rumor. Learn to trust your instinct and think for yourself. Too many people are willing to accept the absurd because a so called expert says it's true. - spritom, on 11/15/2008, -0/+7John Stebbins was a Ranger in Mog in '93. The "paper pusher" office guy as portrayed by Ewan McGregor in the movie. Stebbins received a Silver Star for his actions in Mog. Stebbins' story in Mog seemed ready made for movies. Some of the incidents of him nearly being hit by RPG projectiles are also done in the movie as everybody around him thought he was a total goner.
In '97 his actions came to light about inappropriate actions with a child. It went to court, which took a couple years, and he was convicted for child molestation and rape. He's in Leavenworth doing a few decades hard time for it. I don't know the exact details of it, maybe it's in this appellate document:
http://www.armfor.uscourts.gov/opinions/2005Term/0 ...
When the movie was being made, it came through that he was convicted. The Army asked the movie makers to change the characters name to something fictional. The movie makers said they made a creative decision and based the character McGregor played on a "composite character" that included a few different people that were in Mog. But McGregor's character is easily 90%+ based on Stebbins. - shawns, on 11/15/2008, -1/+8i wonder if the CIA will be investing in user-generated movies on youtube soon
- Subterfug, on 11/15/2008, -0/+7"So in a previous Scott film, Black Hawk Down, a character based on a real-life soldier who had also been a child rapist lost that part of his backstory when he came to the screen."
How do you get into Delta or become an Army Ranger when you are a known child rapist? Something to back up that claim would be nice. - Nebberz, on 11/15/2008, -0/+7well played sir....i was had...
- crowbar77, on 11/15/2008, -0/+6Let's no forget funding bin laden either..
- DrankyDrank, on 11/15/2008, -0/+6This is very possible, but I believe Hollywood is just taking advantage of the fact they can make a movie about something we're already worried about...
Things that are relevant to the times generally do better, look at South Park - CommonSense2k8, on 11/15/2008, -0/+4or Facebook, anyone?
- inactive, on 11/15/2008, -2/+6appealing to patriotism is how they hook the first batch of suckers.
appealing to self-interest in how they mop up the rest. - jasonbalmforth, on 11/15/2008, -1/+5*Facepalm.
- siliconpark, on 11/15/2008, -0/+4Only thing I can think of to say is "***** GOVERNMENT!"
- humanstruggle, on 11/15/2008, -2/+6I think this linked document breaks it down nicely. George Bush Sr.'s involvement as a former/current CIA man leading the nation is real stinky. .............. http://rwor.org/a/firstvol/885/cia3.htm
- Modulo, on 11/15/2008, -0/+4As someone with 35 gb of conspiracy theory related material on my system and 25 years experience researching this stuff I hope you are able to appreciate the fullness and depth of the following:
That's ***** stupid. Upgrade your ***** filters, post haste. - cgbspender, on 11/15/2008, -1/+5Thanks for reminding me that there is a new Stargate Atlantis episode.
- spritom, on 11/15/2008, -0/+4Yeah, the article tosses in the rape word, then the reader is left hanging on it.
The character played by Ewan McGregor was based on a guy named Stebbins. Stebbins, the "paper pusher" office guy that nobody thought would last 5 minutes in the fighting actually did some remarkable stuff in the battle.
Years later is when the court thing happened. While the movie was being made, Stebbins was convicted of child molestation and rape. Then the Army asked the movie makers to change the name of the character. - Subterfug, on 11/15/2008, -0/+3Ah I see, he was convicted AFTER Mog.
Thanks. - 2legit2kwit, on 11/16/2008, -0/+3Yvan eht nioj
- 55mph, on 11/15/2008, -0/+3there is a disconnect between the Movies and real life. movie goers consider the stories to be Hollywood espionage fantasy when they are in fact inspired by real life events. this ***** goes on. it's not science fiction.
fuk, the enemy is our own. was there any doubt? - minuslars, on 11/15/2008, -2/+4World Factbook, anyone?
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world ... - DonJuanAussi, on 11/15/2008, -0/+2Well let's look at South Park. If you watch the show from start to finish, you will see a massive attitude change from the creators.
From calling war "Lame" and "Gay" to change the view and Sadam became the biggest joke they had who was easily killed. Bin Laden became a butt of many jokes as did terrorists... In fact Jesus himself was killing terrorists and Arabs.
The change was so sudden, it was almost someone had a word to the writers and producers of the show. - infodoc1, on 11/15/2008, -0/+2Pretty scary, yet not really surprising...
- Steeple, on 11/15/2008, -0/+2the FBI, "we're not nearly as evil as the CIA"
- misternils, on 11/15/2008, -3/+5Garbage article with no sources. Not saying it isn't true, but calling some one a "child rapist" with out going in to the matter any further at all, is a bit shady as far as writing articles go.
Might have been credible if the author had tried to anchor the article in the facts instead of just spitting off one accusation after another. - g00dETH3R, on 11/16/2008, -0/+2Check out this interview with X-Files/Lone Gunmen Star Dean Haglund, he talks about how the FBI, CIA influences scripts.
http://www.infowars.com/audio/haglund.htm - Modulo, on 11/15/2008, -1/+3... none of those things you've just mentioned has happened. What colour is the sky in your world?
- Asianwaste, on 11/15/2008, -0/+21C751
I cared enough to make friends, do my part, and ensure the well-being of the person next to me. I never dodged my duties and rose rank pretty fast because I worked hard. Outside of that however, I don't care enough to re-enlist or join the reserves for my county's sake or because I care about world events. I had needs and my government had needs, we mutually benefit each other. You can't establish a better relationship with your government than that. - Naieve, on 11/15/2008, -1/+3License for conspiracy theories...
- diggonator2007, on 01/16/2009, -0/+1That is a pretty sweet study, it is amazing how much the government has their hands involved in.
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