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- aftern9ne, on 07/16/2008, -3/+71#4 is the worst argument alive.
- sum33t, on 07/17/2008, -2/+45Site is epicly slow:
10. Overblown set design (e.g., Batman & Robin)
It’s one thing to strive to give a unique look to a film, and it’s also acceptable to emulate a comic book quality to the sets. However, when the film becomes more about the background than the characters, it becomes a problem.
9. Overblown special effects (e.g., Spider-Man 3 and Superman Returns)
Sure, digital effects have opened the world of superheroes to the silver screen like never before. They’ve also given filmmakers too much control. If the title character exists more often as a digital effect than an actor in a suit, it just won’t look right.
8. Fake rubber muscles (e.g., all the old Batman films)
I understand that it is more realistic for Batman to have body armor rather than gray spandex, but the bulky rubber suit was too much. And don’t get me started on the nipples!
7. Not-so-secret identities (e.g., Batman and Superman II)
What is the point of a secret identity for Batman if Alfred’s going to escort Vicki Vale into the Batcave? And why does Superman have to lose his powers just to get into Lois Lane’s pants? How can these heroes have secret identities for more than half a century in the comic books, but filmmakers want to blurt it out by the second act of a feature film?
6. Misplaced star power (e.g., Superman III)
Whose brilliant idea was it to wrap a Man of Steel story around Richard Pryor? And why was it necessary to get Marlon Brando to play Jor-El? Isn’t Superman enough of a name to get people’s attention?
5. Idiot directors (e.g., Joel Schumacher)
If Joel Schumacher is going to have a legacy, it will be how he drove the Batman franchise into the ground. Likewise, Tim Burton may have been to trendy to really make a perfect film. At least we’ve kept the films out of the hands of the likes of McG.
4. Unnecessary origin stories (e.g., Ang Lee’s Hulk, Superman and pretty much everything else)
I understand the need for an origin story for a lesser-known hero like the Punisher, or even Iron Man. But seriously, who doesn’t know how Spider-Man, Superman, Batman and the Hulk came about?
3. Penis envy (e.g., Batman Begins and Superman Returns)
I know it’s Hollywood, but bigger isn’t always better. Did Superman Returns deserve its reported $270 million budget to develop? And why did Batman Begins – a well-crafted character study of Bruce Wayne – have to climax with a train exploding in downtown Gotham?
2. Ignoring the comic book mythos (e.g., Catwoman and Batman & Robin)
Sometimes a change can be good when adapting to the big screen. The organic webbing for Spider-Man worked very well, and I’ll even admit that Doctor Doom in the Fantastic Four films was easier to digest than his complex story from the comics. But Catwoman can barely even be considered a comic book movie, and the treatment of Bane in Batman & Robin was a total travesty.
1. Too many villains (e.g., Batman Forever, Batman & Robin and Spider-Man 3)
Why can’t Hollywood understand that too many characters clutter a plot? The Joker was the only villain in Tim Burton’s Batman, but by the time Joel Schumacher got his hands on the franchise, there were too many villains and heroes to fit on the poster. Ditto goes to Sam Raimi’s Spider-Man 3, which really should have either been about Venom or the Sandman, but not both. - sonar1, on 07/17/2008, -1/+33buried for saying marlon brando was a mistake in superman
- Lith25, on 07/17/2008, -2/+28I agree...I have no clue how any superhero besides spiderman came about. Sorry, I was just never into comic books/ super-hero cartoons growing up.
- kraetos, on 07/17/2008, -0/+25The Simpsons Movie?
- JoeB4ever, on 07/17/2008, -2/+26If the movie title ends with "movie," don't watch it. Trust me.
- mysn239, on 07/17/2008, -5/+23Robin was a mistake.
- cristinek, on 07/16/2008, -0/+17Mmm... #1, too many villains. And #8 -- rubber nipples?!? :(
- Duncster, on 07/17/2008, -0/+13Is "epic" really needed in this article's title...
- anagoge, on 07/17/2008, -0/+12But what if they're on Alicia Silverstone? :D
- justananomaly, on 07/17/2008, -8/+20#1 They all end up saving the girl. Seriously, I just ruined the ending to 1000 hero movies. Less lovey/dovey "save me" crap, more fighting/action/explosions plz.
- CrackX, on 07/16/2008, -1/+12I think there are worse mistakes in superhero movies. And if he is going to talk about using special effects in the wrong way then he should of talked about Hulk.
- MrFisty, on 07/17/2008, -0/+10That's what happens when you don't use protection.
- JoeB4ever, on 07/17/2008, -0/+10*****....I'm sure there's more
- ericthegreat, on 07/17/2008, -0/+975% of this article sucked ass. Nothing original and many points that were left grasping at straws. And using 'to' instead of 'too'? Flame on indeed!
- inactive, on 07/17/2008, -1/+10The Riddler is still alive and maybe Jim Carrey would like to play the role again or he will be furious.
- Omek, on 07/16/2008, -0/+8I haven't seen Alicia Silverstone in years. Anyone know what she's been up to lately?
- anagoge, on 07/17/2008, -0/+8Jim Carrey is capable of playing both madman and a more sombre character. I believe he'd be able to pull of a revamped Riddler, although of course this would only happen over Nolan's dead body.
Just a thought, but how about Hugo Weaving? Now that would be a Riddler right there! - mecharabbit, on 07/17/2008, -0/+8Uh-uh! Haven't you seen her in that recent ad for PETA where she's laying naked on the ground (with her naughty parts covered, of course). She lookin' fine!
- agreenall, on 07/17/2008, -1/+9msaleem clearly just posted this because he read the "Digg This!: 7 Cheats for Hitting The Front Page of Digg " article
- mecharabbit, on 07/17/2008, -0/+7Kentucky Fried Movie? The Muppet Movie? Classics.
- kylere, on 07/17/2008, -1/+7About 190
- jave8u, on 07/17/2008, -0/+6For #3, if the train 'sploding was the climax for them in Batman Begins, they weren't watching the movie right.
- kolyana, on 07/17/2008, -0/+51. Too many villains (e.g., Batman Forever, Batman & Robin and Spider-Man 3)
I have to agree with this one ... um ... maybe ONLY that one; certainly SMIII just cluttered things up with the way they threw this aspect together. - trdrstv, on 07/17/2008, -0/+5Too many villians? Apparently it's in the handling as Batman Begins had (at least) 3 or (by my count) 5.
Ra's Al Ghul.
Scarecrow
Boss Falconi.
Mr. Zsasz
Joe Chill. (Small part but pivital to the whole story) - tryferos, on 07/17/2008, -2/+7DC Cab rocked...otherwise...you might be wrong :P
1:30 Train (2010) (announced)
The Crowded Room (2008) (announced)
Creek (2008) (completed)
The Number 23 (2007)
The Phantom of the Opera (2004)
I'm Only Looking: The Best of INXS (2004) (V) (video "Devil Inside")
Veronica Guerin (2003)
Phone Booth (2002)
Bad Company (2002)
Tigerland (2000)
Flawless (1999)
8MM (1999)
Batman & Robin (1997)
A Time to Kill (1996)
Batman Forever (1995)
The Client (1994)
Falling Down (1993)
"2000 Malibu Road" (1992) TV series (unknown episodes)
Dying Young (1991)
Flatliners (1990)
Cousins (1989)
INXS: Kick: The Video Flick (1988) (V) (video "Devil Inside")
The Lost Boys (1987)
St. Elmo's Fire (1985)
D.C. Cab (1983)
The Incredible Shrinking Woman (1981)
Amateur Night at the Dixie Bar and Grill (1979) (TV)
The Virginia Hill Story (1974) (TV) - inactive, on 07/17/2008, -0/+51a. superman 4 - bad on so many levels beyond explanation!!!!!
- doctorinfierno, on 07/17/2008, -0/+5She is on digg right now, no plans on going back to TV or movies...
- timidlikerivers, on 07/17/2008, -1/+5All of them suck.
- notquitegone, on 07/17/2008, -1/+5Does anyone remember the origin story of Two-Face in that Batman and Robin movie? As I recall, Batman jumped through a window into a courtroom while Harvey was giving a speech, and he accidently knocked some coffee into his face. How insulting is that *****?
I think they even changed the murderer of Bruce's parents in that piece-of-***** movie.
God, just thinking about that pile of turds makes me mad. - Hitchhiker90, on 07/17/2008, -1/+4"And why does Superman have to lose his powers just to get into Lois Lane’s pants?"
But they're engaged.
It doesn't matter, it can't happen.
Why not? It's bound to come up.
It's impossible. Lois could never have Superman's baby. Do you think her fallopian tubes can handle his sperm? I guarantee he blows a load like a shotgun, right through her back. What about her womb? Do you think it's strong enough to carry his child?
Sure. Why not?
He's an alien, for Christ's sake! His Kryptonian biological makeup is enhanced by Earth's yellow sun. If Lois gets a tan, the kid could kick right through her stomach. Only someone like Wonder Woman has a strong enough uterus to carry his kid. The only way he could bang regular chicks is with a Kryptonite condom. But that would kill him. - mimigins, on 07/17/2008, -0/+3cry more 15 comments down
- Hitchhiker90, on 07/17/2008, -0/+3Oh that is fine. I was just quoting Mallrats anyway.
- Portagine, on 07/17/2008, -0/+3This guy asks entirely too many questions.
- TrevorBelmont, on 07/17/2008, -2/+5"4. Unnecessary origin stories"
I hear this one a lot. To me, I hear this as "Starting a story from the beginning s a mistake."
I love origin stories. Its compelling drama to see someone make the journey from "regular schmuck" to Hero. It also serves to develop and humanize the character so that we can sympathize with him and care about his welfare before he dives into the fray. Without these elements we'd have the same people crying about the LACK of character development.
I see why these guys call themselves "Film School Rejects." - fokov, on 07/17/2008, -0/+3Its from Mallrats.
- zelzin, on 07/17/2008, -0/+3You guys never check before you post that damn link, do you?
- tony23, on 07/17/2008, -1/+4Larry Niven beat you to it, and did a better job, too: http://www.larryniven.org/stories/Man_of_Steel_Wom ...
- vichussmith, on 07/17/2008, -1/+3I'm sorry,. but #4 is needed, even though tons of people know the origin story of these bit time superheroes, there are still kids who don't know, and people, for some reason, who have managed to completely shelter themselves from how these superheroes came to be.
Somewhere, at sometime, someone is learning about Superman for the very first time. - Yage2006, on 07/17/2008, -1/+3This article sucked in so many ways.
/Buried - elitexero, on 07/17/2008, -0/+2Was a complete disappointment and a total cash grab?
- BevansDesign, on 07/17/2008, -0/+2I dunno, I think the only characters who DON'T need their origin stories told are Batman, Spiderman, and Superman. Then again, when the result is as good as Batman Begins, I don't mind.
However, we REALLY didn't need to see it again in Superman Returns. If you don't know that Superman is an alien who can fly and punch stuff and so on, what the ***** are you doing watching a Superman movie anyway?
But the origin story IS important to lesser-known characters, but they need to be sure they keep it interesting. Telling the origin story shouldn't take half the movie unless it's REALLY done well (like Iron Man, which was perfect until they stopped doing the origin story and actually had him battle a big baddie). I watched the animated Doctor Strange movie a few days ago, and I thought it was very good, but if I knew anything about the character beforehand, I probably would've thought it was pretty dull. - Cheddar79, on 07/17/2008, -0/+2Great article, have to agree with each argument. Too many characters is such an obvious BAD choice for any flick. The thing is, how do studios/directors/producers not recognize this time after time?
- mecharabbit, on 07/17/2008, -0/+2I seem to recall it as Harvey was questioning a mobster on the stand in court, and the guy threw acid in his face. I could be wrong, though.
- teamgwho, on 07/17/2008, -0/+2There are some very good (or at least decent films on that list)
Phone Booth (2002)
The Client (1994)
Falling Down (1993)
Flatliners (1990)
The Lost Boys (1987)
St. Elmo's Fire (1985)
but that's only a small number, so... perhaps you're right. - voyvf, on 07/17/2008, -0/+2Eh, Falling Down was pretty cool.
The Lost Boys and Flatliners were also good, for their respective times.
The rest? Pure and utter crap. - fokov, on 07/17/2008, -0/+2One thing that these geeks have up their asses is that they own comics or scans of them and think they are holy. Hollywood understands that the percentage of potential movie goers that have read and will be upset by origin stories is very small.
- GlitchEnzo, on 07/17/2008, -0/+1Yep, and that's why Batman Begins wasn't as good as it could have been. They should have just focused on just one villain. Scarecrow could have been a totally awesome villain for Batman to fight, instead he got nerfed because they wanted Ra's Al Ghul to be in as well.
- BottomTicket, on 07/17/2008, -0/+1Dugg for the Clerks reference that no one else picked up on, and don't even get him started on the civilian contractors that were working on the deathstar when the rebellion blew it up mid-construction
- BevansDesign, on 07/17/2008, -0/+1Just wait for Spiderman 4...
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