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- inactive, on 08/23/2008, -4/+38It is Superman - Not the Dark Knight - Please stay true to the character. This could be great!
- archer104, on 08/24/2008, -1/+21There is a reason that the image of Superman has endured for so long. There's a place for Batman where people want to identify with a vigilante type brooder and give in to their dark side while still playing for the good guys.
Superman is something entirely different. It's hard to put to into words, but it's like, instead of us pulling Batman down to our twisted level, Superman is pulling us up to the ultimate ideal of a person. It's about watching in awe something greater than yourself. And some people aren't comfortable with that. They need their characters to have flaws so that they can seem real. But mankind has an old habit of creating gods. I think that it is pointless to fight this instinct. Sometimes people don't want stories about surprise children or relationship problems, they just want to fly.
Forget that actual movie exists and rewatch the Superman Returns trailer. This came very close to nailing it in my opinion:
http://movies.apple.com/movies/wb/superman_returns ... - inactive, on 08/24/2008, -4/+18I thought MrBabyMan cried like a little bitch and ran away from digg "forever"? What happened with that?
- Airforcefalco, on 08/24/2008, -3/+16When I was a kid I thought that I could fly in my Superman PJs. I was at someone's house who had stairs and I was wearing the PJs with the Velcroed on cape when I decided to try...I flew down the stairs into a grandfather clock and everyone laughed...
That was last week. - scabbers, on 08/24/2008, -2/+14Make Superman fight zombies.
I'll be waiting for my motherfxcking movie check... - Vidalsassgirlie, on 08/23/2008, -5/+14People think Superman is boring because he can do everything. He's got every superpower. he can even juggle planets. When you make a character that powerful, he loses some appeal with today's moviegoers. When a character is that powerful, it's hard to make an interesting storyline for him. Any fight he has with an enemy will just look goofy.
Unless Superman gets a major overhaul, people will stick with more fun heroes like X-men, Batman, and Spiderman. - ScottMcIntyre, on 08/23/2008, -4/+13WB should pay heed to this advice. As the article says, the best way to keep Superman true to his roots is to get the views of the Man of Steel's fans and comic afficianados. They know him inside out. The original spirit of Superman needs to be retained no matter how much the movie makers want to give him a 2008 spin.
- Harbinger1080, on 08/24/2008, -0/+8I just watched the Dinner for 5 thing with Kevin Smith, Stan Lee, Mark Hamil, J.J. Abrams, and Jason Lee... and Stan Lee talked about DC doing almost exactly this. To summarize: When Marvel started outselling DC, DC started having meetings about why Marvel was doing so much better than they were. They would do things like... "Marvel has a lot of red on their covers, so let's use a lot of red" and "Marvel has a lot of dialogue bubbles on their covers, so let's do that." Every time DC would copy them, Stan Lee would have Marvel stop doing whatever it was... and they still never got it.
WB and DC really don't understand the piles of gold their sitting on, if they would just treat themselves, and their properties, with a little respect. They seem to be going back to what Stan Lee was talking about-- Dark Knight was popular, and it was dark... so let's make all of our properties dark? Not every superhero needs to be DARK to be successful... look at Iron Man.
I love the animated Justice League series, JL: New Frontier, and most of Superman: Doomsday... they've even managed to make me think that an animated Wonder Woman movie wouldn't be horrible... why can't they seem to get live action versions of exactly that on screen? I don't know why it's so hard to just take stories/characters that already lend themselves so well to main-stream entertainment without ***** around with them so much on the way.
That said, I enjoyed Superman Returns. And I am excited about the possibilities of a Superman reboot, with the caveat that they don't make Dark Last Son of Krypton.
/frustrated rant - shadowman99, on 08/24/2008, -1/+8Superman's greatest "superpower" is he's a good man.
He's just a simple guy from Kansas who wants to help people. He also can do amazing things.
That's why all of the discussions to dirty down and darken a Superman film hit the wrong tone. They always look for ways to make the character more relevant, and the people doing the re-inventing don't get the character. They get so focused on his abilities they forget about Clark Kent.
Superman will never be Batman. Superman is not a vigilante. Superman is not an anti-hero. Superman is not a cynical political statement. People who try to twist Superman into these things are the reason we have to wait decades between projects. - DivisibleByZero, on 08/24/2008, -0/+7The "dark"t thing worked for Batman, but not because Dark is the new black, but because it's freaking Batman. He's SUPPOSED to be like that.
- Wreckage, on 08/24/2008, -0/+6How about you have Superman "return" after a long absence. Yet somehow he and Lois Lane look barely 21. Then have Lois hook up with another guy who has no clue that their kid is the spawn of Superman. Superman could then become her stalker, die at the hands of Lex Luthor (the only worth while character in the movie) and then come back to life for no reason......
Nah that would make for a terrible movie....... Like having a space shuttle launch of the top of a commercial airliner full of people.....
Oh wait. - noots, on 08/24/2008, -0/+6addiction.
- phrenzy, on 08/24/2008, -0/+6I honestly think they could use a similar formula to the 1978 Donner version. An epic 3-act movie, where Clark / Superman's sincerity is put up against the modern world's cynicism, ruthlessness and greed.
Margot Kidder's Louis made that movie as much as superman did. If you watch the auditions of the other actresses on the DVD, it's amazing how she changes your whole perception of Superman. The other actresses tried to play along with Reeve's take on superman by playing the character as if she were in a comic book to match Reeve's iconic portrayal. Kidder played the total opposite, and by doing that represented all of society's wise-cracking cynicism to make us identify with somebody "not ready" to accept this "outdated" Superman character. Ultimately, Reeve's performance wins her (and us) over and allows us to believe in him and to let go of our cynicism for a couple of hours.
Then you have Hackman's Luthor. Another genius stroke. Again, not some super-villain that can 'brawl' with superman, but a manipulative and greedy con-man who's world view is to simply "get his". He, like Louis, represents the modern world in a clearly down-to-earth way that people can recognize.
I'm not sure who could pull this off, but the actors they used in the re-boot (not to mention the writing) were completely uninspired cardboard cutouts compared to Donner's characters. - jcroweall7, on 08/24/2008, -0/+5One thing I would add is to minimize the origin story. Not in terms of importance, I mean, but in terms of screen time. One of the things I liked about Superman Returns' approach as that it found a way to sort-of restart the series without spending another 40+ minutes explaining how he's the last survivor of Krypton, the yellow sun gives him powers, he grew up on a farm and moved to Metropolis, etc. etc. I don't know if I'm just way nerdy to expect that all of that is kind of unnecessary at this point.
Grant Morrison's All-Star Superman has proven to me that compelling Superman stories are still possible, so I still hold out hope that movies might get it right (again) soon. - archer104, on 08/24/2008, -0/+5Ya, that's the thing, he's too powerful. But what's great about that is that you can have incredibly powerful villains (no Luther). This story is not supposed to be based in reality and be a reflection of our decaying society and blah blah *****' blah. This is about power and being a *****' hero and saving the whole planet the way that no other hero could. I don't read the comics so I don't know if a suitable villain exists, but they have to be disgustingly superpowerful.
- Airforcefalco, on 08/24/2008, -0/+5Forgot i mentioned being a kid, it happened though when i was around 7 or so.
- Altotus, on 08/24/2008, -0/+4If they want to redo superman, it should be a period piece. It should harken back to the day when Superman fought for truth, justice, and the American way, and not just truth and justice. A film with Superman in the 50s would be great if it had the same feel of both the period and the comic.
Barring that, they should at least stick to the comics and the fan's take on them rather than rework Superman as some teetering on the edge vigilante scarred by his terrifying youth being raise by self-righteous agrarian aliens on a distant planet. - inactive, on 08/24/2008, -0/+4Just make Red Son into a movie. After you do that you can take the franchise anywhere, and frankly it would be more interesting than yet another Superman origins rehash.
- falser, on 08/24/2008, -0/+4Not only is he too powerful, he has only one weakness, kryptonite. That's what makes it boring. You automatically know that whoever the villain is, he will have to use kryptonite in some way to threaten Superman. There's no surprises whatsoever. Oh, look Lex Luthor is using a kryptonite knife to attack Superman! How did he think of that one? Oh boy, now he is using a kryptonite machine gun! And how about using liquid-kryptonite and spraying it on Superman!!
Booooring. - bentrinh, on 08/24/2008, -0/+3Fools, by bashing him, you're only making him more well known!
- innocentsinner, on 08/24/2008, -0/+3Wolverine > Spider-Man but I'd still love to see a Spider-Man movie that doesn't suck. Or an X-Men movie that doesn't suck, for that matter.
- biggerapple3am, on 08/24/2008, -0/+3Uh, that's why you have villains that are extremely smart. You can't arm wrestle intelligence. Have you seen the first (Reeve) Superman?
- mikelieman, on 08/24/2008, -0/+3Darkseid.
- belebih, on 08/24/2008, -1/+4As long as he's not fighting a big ***** spider... or polar bears.
- Squires, on 08/24/2008, -0/+3Superman vs Doomsday
Society is declining, but Superman's sacrifice leads the world out of darkness. He dies in the end, but a sequel is set-up perfectly. - ckup619, on 08/24/2008, -0/+2that isn't the argument
- Reddog_x2000, on 08/24/2008, -0/+2I like it. We live in really ***** up times. A lot of people have lost faith in their fellow human beings. Many, if not most, of our hero's are really anti-heros. They've all got some kind of character flaw that you wouldn't want your kid to emulate. They just happen to be better than the truly evil bastards they're fighting. It'd be interesting to see if someone could write a story in which Superman lives in the modern world, is an inspiration & isn't hokey or boring.
- warplayer, on 08/24/2008, -0/+2You mean for trolling's sake, right?
- uberduger, on 08/24/2008, -0/+2The old Kevin Smith script had Doomsday in it, I think. They should make that - it's awesome.
- inactive, on 08/24/2008, -0/+2Really though how is it any different than Spider-Man who wins at the end of the day in all his movies and the most damage he seems to take is a few bruise marks and a torn suit?
- innocentsinner, on 08/24/2008, -1/+3Superman is weak to magic as well. I mentioned this in another thread, but go check out the Superman animated series over on Youtube. It's surprisingly good and, in many episodes, Superman gets his ass kicked quite a bit. For bonus points, look up the 3-episode-arc World's Finest where he teams up with the goddamn Batman. Truly, the DCAU version of Superman is the only one I like. In fact, here's a link to the first part of World's Finest: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBGlQ5wjnvg
Just because Superman is damn near all-powerful doesn't mean he HAS to be all-powerful. He doesn't do the "fly really fast around Earth to go back in time" thing anymore. He doesn't juggle planets or eat suns. And he can be a badass without having to be grimdark like Batman. - Blandyman, on 08/24/2008, -0/+2I always wondered why, even though he's so poor, he has a closet-full of those Spidey-suits. And we all know those aren't mass-produced, so it must be one heck of a bill!
- inactive, on 08/24/2008, -2/+4"Superman: How To Make You Believe A Man in Red Underwear Could Fly, Again"
*fixed* - innocentsinner, on 08/24/2008, -0/+2What about spiderbears?
- Xevallah, on 08/25/2008, -0/+1First off, Bryan Singer's version seems to have been lost on the majority of people here. Superman isn't a vigilante obviously, but he's just as alienated from the rest of the world as our beloved Dark Knight. Superman Returns was all about dealing with his isolation and reconnecting with the only person he has any real connection with. The movie isn't perfect, but its treatment of the man of steel was very appropriate and fitting for a character that embodies "truth, justice, and the american way" in an a post-9/11 world.
And saying we shouldn't try to "humanize" a character is the dumbest thing I have ever heard anyone say. On Digg. Today. Human beings are fundamentally incapable of doing anything but. - LilRabbitFooFoo, on 08/25/2008, -0/+1Make the story dark. Superman is the light.
- xenoploid, on 08/24/2008, -0/+1Let Brad Meltzer write the script:
"To understand Superman, Meltzer says, you have to know why Superman was created in the first place — because a young Jerry Siegel’s father was shot and killed in 1932 (a fact first uncovered by Gerard Jones in “Men of Tomorrow: Geeks, Gangsters and the Birth of the Comic Book”).
“Superman was created not because America is the greatest country on earth, not because Moses came to save us from Krypton, but because a little boy lost his father,” Meltzer said. “In his first appearances, he couldn’t fly. He didn’t have X-ray vision. He was only bulletproof. So Superman’s not a character built out of strength, but out of loss.”
“When you hear that, it puts on a whole new spin on Superman and his origins,” Waid said. “The understanding was that Batman was born out of traged and Superman out of hope and aspiration, and it turns out that it’s about not wanting to lose your loved ones. That’s critical, and it means that we can connect with him. He’s not an untouchable character. Bad things still happen to him. His father passes away, and his powers can’t save him.”
And even if Superman still seems like too much of a Boy Scout, we’re supposed to be identifying with Clark Kent anyway. “Everybody knows what it’s like to see the pretty girl and think, ‘If only she could see me for who I really was,’” Waid said. “Past the glasses and acne or whatever. But he has to hide, and half his co-workers don’t even know his name. That’s a critical part, too.”
“It is so much deeper than, ‘He’s an alien with superpowers,’” Meltzer said. “I never wanted to write a Superman movie before, but I do now. I understand what Superman is now.”
http://splashpage.mtv.com/2008/08/11/how-to-reboot ... - dandonia, on 08/27/2008, -0/+1Smallville has to end some time and what better way than with a trilogy of movies to follow it. Welling might not be George Reeves but he is already accepted as CK So it would be perfect for him. They could easily wrap up Smallville so that it ties in with the movie. They have already introduced the ability to rewrite time and for the characters to forget. If they don't cast him as Superman for this, they should have their own Superman trilogy to cap the show off. I would love to see it on a big budget as that is the main flaw with the TV Show. The reuse of sets is getting ridiculas.
- dandonia, on 08/27/2008, -0/+1Luthor is the ultimate villain because the story is brains vs brawn. Sure Superman has all these powers but Lex is his superior interlect. Superman shouldn't be in fist fights or power fights, he should be torn between saving the world or his woman. He shouldn't be putting Luther in jail or killing him, he should suspect that it is him, but not have the proof. Lex should appear to be man of the year to everyone while at the same time been the master mind behind all the worlds problems. If they factored in Red Kryptonite for one of the movies it could be awesome to watch.
- cubicledrone, on 08/24/2008, -0/+1This is why creative people try to avoid working with corporate people.
By the way, has Peter Jackson been paid for Lord of the Rings yet? - LilRabbitFooFoo, on 08/25/2008, -0/+1Bushco makes baby Kal-El cry.
Start there. - Wizened, on 08/24/2008, -0/+1What is with with these people? Dark? Why not make the good guys... good! Hey, there's a novel concept. Just because your life and all your friends are a screwed up mess it doesn't mean everyone else's is. And even those of us that are messed up... we hope for something BETTER, not worse. That's why it's called HOPE. That's why Superman is super. That why the good guys wear white hats. Do you want to make money or a 'social statement'?
- dandonia, on 08/27/2008, -0/+1His immotions are the targets not his body. Superman has the weight of the world on his shoulders. He hears all these people crying out for help all of the time. But he can't possibly save them all. Choices are what's important to Superman. Clark is his weakness.
Smallvilles CK is probably more interesting to you as he is not at full power yet. - dandonia, on 08/27/2008, -0/+1And you're wrong anyway. Superman could kill Batman, before Batman would get his suit on.
- CCB0x45, on 08/24/2008, -0/+1Read The Red Son for an interesting idea of superman being hitlerish... its kind of a what if comic if superman had landed in Russia as a baby instead of Smallville and been turned over to the communists, and eventually becomes their leader.
- H3BR3W, on 08/24/2008, -0/+1"If All Else Fails, Give It To Geoff Johns"
YES! Geoff Johns has been writing Superman PERFECTLY in Action Comics the last couple of years, and the guy's a workhorse like I've never seen. He's almost handling the entire DCU right now, hahaha. At the very least, let him write a draft. - sanman, on 08/24/2008, -0/+1Maybe they could delve into George Reeves suicide,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Reeves
and Christopher Reeve's tragic accident and death. Maybe they could talk about the tragic history of Reeves and Superman.
But who could they find to play the Man of Steel this time around?
I wonder how good Keanu's life insurance policy is? - judgedan, on 08/24/2008, -0/+1Keep Superman pure! No darkness, no dark side, no dark stories. It should remain as good clean wholesome fun, with good triumphing over evil, because, in the end, good will always win (even though it might seem that evil has the upper hand, but it is only temporary).
- Squires, on 08/24/2008, -0/+1Superman vs Aliens, loved that story arc when I was a kid.
- LilRabbitFooFoo, on 08/25/2008, -0/+1There's no money for him except at McD's if he isn't here...
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