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- icyhaught, on 11/19/2008, -43/+336This is why I hate Sony...
- m4xn00b, on 11/19/2008, -21/+266That's a pretty classy move.
- Khast, on 11/19/2008, -28/+225Wow, Sony, that sure was childish...may the tides of karma come your way.
- fuse13, on 11/19/2008, -46/+213Well Microsoft paid Netflix for an exclusive deal to shut out Sony, so I think Sony probably feel justified in pulling their content from the service.
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"In return for the branding rights and access to hardware from Microsoft, Netflix will only distribute its content to gamers via the Xbox 360. “We are creating a completely new social entertainment experience and Xbox 360 will be the only video game system that can access a library of instantly streamed movies from Netflix,” says Microsoft corporate vice president of Interactive Entertainment Live, software and services business John Schappert."
http://www.internetretailer.com/dailyNews.asp?id=2 ...
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I dont see why Sony should provide content for a service that they were specifically excluded from. - morninglorii, on 11/19/2008, -27/+159If I was in charge at Microsoft, I would stop licensing Windows for installation on Sony computers until they fixed this.
- Rysac1, on 11/19/2008, -14/+117So Sony waited till the last minute? They knew this was going to be part of the update a while back ago. Expected, yes, but to wait till now to pull them is a pretty dick move.
- Expl0siv0, on 11/19/2008, -3/+91A ***** MOVIE?
- defenswens26, on 11/19/2008, -5/+84Sony flix are still available, just not Columbia as there were some licensing issues. They'll be up there once they get it taken care of though. Get your panties out of a bunch.
- inactive, on 11/19/2008, -42/+113What a ***** movie. I was going to buy a PS3, but guess what...
- bnitro, on 11/19/2008, -4/+65Man and I was going to rush home to stream Spider-Man 3. Oh wait...
- Aleman360, on 11/19/2008, -3/+64Relax guys, it's likely just a licensing issue that will be resolved before long.
- trotskyist, on 11/19/2008, -2/+62but then I got high?
- fuse13, on 11/19/2008, -15/+64sure you were.
- Maynza, on 11/19/2008, -1/+48You don't have the money?
- CrimsonBlur, on 11/19/2008, -20/+60Sony Pictures wasn't excluded from anything, just the PS3. Sure Sony owns both, but it's silly for Sony to block content from a service that will make them money simply because they aren't part of the console exclusivity deal.
It's not like XBOX owners are suddenly going to flock to the Playstation Store for their digital downloads because they can't stream movies through Netflix. - Ja50n, on 11/19/2008, -1/+38logic and reason do not belong on the internet!
- Dwebtron, on 11/19/2008, -8/+44you did anyway?
- CrimsonBlur, on 11/19/2008, -11/+41The difference here though is that the only people this hurts is Netflix/XBOX users. It doesn't punish Microsoft or Netflix at all. Sony makes money off of the Netflix streaming service no matter what device it is being watch on.
Microsoft doesn't care if Sony's movies are streamed through the Netflix service, Sony doesn't even have a streaming service so it's not like they need to worry about competition. Netflix doesn't care because it only affects a small portion of their business anyway.
The reason we as users should be pissed off at Sony is because they're punishing consumers our of spite for Microsoft and Netflix, despite the fact neither company is really affected by their childish behavior anyway. - CrimsonBlur, on 11/19/2008, -22/+52So because Sony wasn't smart enough to come up with a competing streaming service or make a deal, they're using Sony Pictures to ***** on all of the fans of their movies that happen to have Netflix accounts? Yeah, I would say that's a pretty childish and stupid move on Sony's part.
They already have a digital distribution method for the PS3. Besides, Sony Pictures makes money either way, there is no reason to block their content from the Netflix-XBOX streaming service besides pure spite. - FriedTurkey, on 11/19/2008, -7/+35But I irrationally hate Sony and must not read the article because I need to flame my hate towards a corporation while I support the other corporation.
- NathanCH, on 11/19/2008, -18/+45I own a PS3 and I love it a lot, but why the hell does Sony have to make them self look like *****?
- CrimsonBlur, on 11/19/2008, -6/+27Yeah... I don't hate Sony, I actually really like Sony and their products. Which is why a move like this pisses me off even more.
- enantiodromia, on 11/19/2008, -3/+24right, like how Microsoft doesn't make software or hardware for Apple computers.
oh wait, yes they do. - Seann7656, on 11/19/2008, -3/+22Wouldn't that hurt Sony more?...
- vannoy, on 11/19/2008, -11/+29If the XMB is the best Sony can come up with for an OS and a GUI then I don't really want to see whatever else they can do..
- NeoCortex, on 11/19/2008, -2/+20Did you see Spider-man 3?
- sirbeta, on 11/19/2008, -9/+25Just for the record, Sony Computer Entertainment America and Sony Pictures are completely different subsidiaries of Sony, and don't really interfere with each other. I wouldn't necessarily say it has anything to do with the PS3 yet.
- megaton, on 11/19/2008, -4/+19This comment from Engadget was too funny not to repost:
"You know what would be an even more shrewd and ultimately more humorous? If Sony found licenses for Windows OS temporarily unavailable." - Seann7656, on 11/19/2008, -11/+24Chicken Butt?
- MaTT2011, on 11/19/2008, -6/+19The bad karma for the dumbass things they've been doing has been steadily streaming in for quite awhile, and they just love it.
Karma's been serving them ***** sandwiches and they keep asking for more. - litheon, on 11/19/2008, -3/+16"Not available on Xbox" despite being available on all of the other instant watch mediums. Yeah that's definitely a contractual issue.
- Elranzer, on 11/19/2008, -4/+17You love delicious DRM, proprietary media formats and their involvement with the RIAA/MPAA?
- Elranzer, on 11/19/2008, -2/+15Apple does the same thing with every PC maker that isn't Apple. Why aren't they getting sued for anti-trust?
- ChromaVita, on 11/19/2008, -4/+17Because I'm sure a lot more people have Xboxes hooked up to their TVs than have computers hooked up to their TVs. One of the biggest drawbacks to Netflix instant view for most people, is having to watch them on their computer screens.
- ScottyAnimal, on 11/19/2008, -2/+14So, I can still watch Sony movies through Netflix via MICROSOFT Windows right?!
- Rival13, on 11/19/2008, -6/+18I love all the NERRRD RAAAGE in here hahaha
It's a licencing issue and will be eventually ironed out, much like 95% of the rest of the stuff on Netflix that isn't even currently available for streaming. Chill the ***** out, all of you. - wTheOnew, on 11/19/2008, -2/+14Apple would jump right on board with that one... Psystar anyone?
As much as Linux is gaining in the home market, Sony would lose a ton of money by not having Windows. It probably wouldn't hurt Microsoft much since someone that is going to buy a new PC probably isn't THAT brand loyal to not go somewhere else.
MS would probably end up in court for it and not Sony because if history serves me right MS can't legally do half of what Apple or other companies can because it's such a big bad evil corporation. - inactive, on 11/19/2008, -0/+12How's the pie?
Soooo good..... - Elranzer, on 11/19/2008, -1/+12How long until Sony Pictures, MGM and Columbia-Tristar movies only play on Sony-branded DVD and Blu-Ray players?
Don't think for a second that Sony doesn't masturbate to this thought every waking second of their existence. - ASSASSYN360, on 11/19/2008, -5/+16Meanwhile, back in left4dead the four survivors scramble for their lives...
- enantiodromia, on 11/19/2008, -4/+15i got $20 that says you posted that from a Windows machine, and all you have ever owned have been windows machines.
tell me i'm wrong, go ahead. - benologist, on 11/19/2008, -11/+21This is why I hate engadget. The real link is:
http://blog.netflix.com/2008/11/titles-available-t ... - ucdbunny, on 11/19/2008, -5/+15haha hilarious
- Arkz, on 11/19/2008, -0/+10Because its... cool? everyone copies everyone, its good, get over it
- etgoboom, on 11/19/2008, -4/+14if this is what changes your decision, you have really got to get your priorities straight
- CrimsonBlur, on 11/19/2008, -5/+15No, we wouldn't, at least I wouldn't, I'd have the same complaint. The scenario you're proposing is impossible anyway because Microsoft does not own movie studios so there's no point in making a comparison.
- fuse13, on 11/19/2008, -4/+14Hi CrimsonBlur. It weakens Microsoft's offering. The product. The whole product of a console is far more than just the box, and this move could be seen as putting a dent in Microsoft's victory dance over this skirmish in the console wars.
Meanwhile, Microsoft's move with the exclusivity deal was an attempt to weaken Sony's console, which is a year behind their bit of kit. They wanted to get in and tie up Netflix so that Sony couldn't use them. As Sony is one of Netflix's major content providers, this was probably seen as a bit of a backstab.
I work in business with lots and lots of big corporate clients. I've actually had both Microsoft and Sony (or subsidiaries thereof) as clients at various stages now I think about it. You don't ***** over your suppliers or your customers. Business is business, but if you ***** someone over then they wont trust you again. The work will go to someone else, that kind of thing. Netflix broke a big golden rule by biting the hand that feeds them. They should never have accepted the exclusivity deal, and Microsoft could be seen to be making anti-competitive moves by using its position to block its competition from free trade with a supplier.
Make no mistake, this was a bully move by Microsoft. And it was a sharp retort from Sony, who flexed what muscle they could - though they lost this one. Neither side has some moral advantage, which is what I am reading in some comments here. Nobody probably did anything illegal, but I see three decisions of ethical uncertainty:
1) Microsoft asking Netflix for exclusivity to lock out Sony.
2) Netflix accepting the deal at the expense of their supplier and potential customer.
3) Sony hurting the Microsoft/Netflix deal by pulling the content.
Basically, everyone was wrong and the consumer suffers. I am all for competition in this market. The more Sony and Microsoft are competing ethically by producing better products without dirty tricks the better owners of all consoles will be. If they keep putting energy into blocking each other we all suffer. - Picer, on 11/19/2008, -3/+13That would cause another antitrust investigation
- kronix2, on 11/19/2008, -2/+11Ahahahaha.
In reality, Sony's PC division would be cut down to 1% of what it is now. No Windows license = no Sony PC division.
And MS are entitled to sell Windows licenses to whomever they please. -
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