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- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -9/+185We all know piracy, or sharing, actually stimulates these markets. There have been dozens of studies that proven this, so they are aware of this fact.
Its the shareholders who demand they account for every copy of a movie or song that gets out in the marketplace. The shareholders feel that anyone who can watch a movie for free is $11 bucks right out of their pocket, but in reality people who cannot afford to go see something probably never will spend the money, while people who can afford it typically do.
I think they sue people for 2 reasons; A: Because they can, according to the law. B: Its ultimately another revenue stream, if it makes them more than its costing them that is. - Pic0, on 10/11/2007, -3/+59so will the MPAA stop putting those ***** opening videos about stealing movies on my LEGALLYPURCHASED DVDs?
- Jolene, on 10/11/2007, -15/+67@aegisgfx
Okay. I mostly agree with you. But the first thing you said really bugs me.
"We all know piracy, or sharing, actually stimulates these markets. There have been dozens of studies that proven this, so they are aware of this fact."
Please show some of these studies. I'm tired of people, on either side of an argument, stating that there have been dozens/hundreds/thousands of studies proving their beliefs, and they don't cite them.
Did you know that 79.8% of statistics are made up on the spot...? - houndeyex, on 10/11/2007, -10/+61Somehow I blame movie tickets. They're freaking $9.50 where I live. Retarded.
- shade45, on 10/11/2007, -7/+55This is because most people who download a movie would of never paid to see it anyways.....
- jermm, on 10/11/2007, -4/+48about 1-2% less
- gordonm, on 10/11/2007, -12/+45That's "would have", or "would've" not "would of".
Even pirates should be literate. - bebop717, on 10/11/2007, -5/+36I wanted the theater experience when I bootlegged Spider-Man 3 also, so I threw all my money out the window, ate ***** microwave popcorn and turned up the volume on all the other TV's near me and sprayed my furniture with cheap perfume and cologne.
- MadOgre, on 10/11/2007, -1/+29Obviously we are not pirating enough.
/Avast me hardies!!!! - FizixMan, on 10/11/2007, -0/+29The crazy part is, they could have a fairly crappy year of crappy movies and their profits would drop and they'd blame it on piracy.
Have a great year of great movies and their profits would rise and they'd blame it on their efforts to combat and reduce piracy.
Naturally, piracy has a much greater impact on their profits than the quality of movies.
Or an increase in advertising revenue.
Or by expanding the audience into Imax films.
Or an increase in box office admission fees.
Or continued decreases in expenses.
And when their efforts to prevent pre-release screenings or delay opening dates of movies in Canada 'cause of our rampant piracy causes sales lost? Blame piracy! "We didn't want to do this pirates! You left us no choice! We're only doing this 'cause we love you! You'll thank us one day!" - gharding, on 10/11/2007, -0/+25@houndeyex:
Retarded!? That's cheap!! Mine's $11 at least. - Crazymaniacc, on 10/11/2007, -0/+25piracy isn't that big, at least not for movies.
- bromac, on 10/11/2007, -2/+25So, when I "stole" a copy of a Robin Williams movie that I worked on, because it was taking forever to be released, I was really denting my ho-hum $10/hr job?
And not, say, the dozen or so producers who ran around the locations with their head cut off?
And I'm not hurting the studio that ultimately is the one who gets to pocket the profit? There's no profit sharing, and most movies lose money anyways.
You're not going to make me feel bad about this ***** when Hollywood just spent two years blaming their fans for their own ***** movies. Especially when you're talking out your ass about the whole thing. - Xeth, on 10/11/2007, -4/+24riight, so if everyone stopped pirating tomorrow you would get a raise? fat chance.
- IQis87, on 10/11/2007, -9/+29But how much would they make if no one pirates movies?
- zeiben, on 10/11/2007, -0/+16"That's seriously stupid. Watch it once for $11 or watch it as much as you want for $20? I'll wait for the DVD."
For most movies, once is all I care to watch. - houndeyex, on 10/11/2007, -4/+20That's seriously stupid. Watch it once for $11 or watch it as much as you want for $20? I'll wait for the DVD.
- archlich, on 10/11/2007, -0/+16Or just download the movies that have the credits cut off. It saves on bandwidth.
Yes, that was a joke. - thurows, on 10/11/2007, -1/+17Well of course their profits rose, they raised ticket prices and in my area shortened the matinee times. I think box office records should be based on tickets sold not box office revenue.
- prelelat, on 10/11/2007, -0/+14SlamShut I'm curious about your statement about steeling from the little people. I'm not a big pirate I will admit that when I was in collage and couldn't aford to go out that I would download alot, but now that I have money I prefer that big screen.
But I don't understand your statement, I was under the impression that these low level camera men and such got paid no matter how well the movie they were working on did. Are you saying the get a precentage of the profits? I thought they were part of the cost of a movie, say you pay your cast 15 bucks an hour that goes into how much the studio spent on the film. So if the movie flops they still get their money and the studio ends up owing money.
If I understand my greedy basterds properly I would think that if a movie does well they arn't going to give joe the camera man a raise. It's not like they are going to fire him at least I think "Jimmy your camera angles suck, the movie failed you'll never work in this studio again" I think that's more the directors fault, and hell they should be fired in that case.
So can you explain to me how the studio pays the camera men, prop men, costume designers, and so on. Are you just making stuff up? Or do they get paid on how well the movie does? Your coments don't seem to make sense.
Trust me when I say I'm not going to cry when I downloaded a movie from the internet, especially when I know that the movie made a million dollars and the movie studio did some hollywood accounting to make the movie profit 0. I would be upset for the independant film makers that get their stuff pirated. THEY NEED the money. I can garentee that most of the people involved(exluding the lower men that they might have paid) went into debt paying for film props, sets, costumes and cameras. Stuff that most studios have on site. - gordonm, on 10/11/2007, -3/+17Sounds like bong-logic to me.
- gabeN, on 10/11/2007, -8/+21Moral justification for piracy:
Humans are moral agents in part because of their ability to think rationally
Laws that prevent rational thinking are therefore immoral
Rational thought requires information
Copyright law restricts information, and productive imagination
Copyright law is therefore immoral and unjust
According to Martin Luther King, we have a duty to violate unjust laws
therefore we are duty bound to violate copyright, but just like King, we must be willing and prepared to deal with the consequences.
So don't get caught. - Lynxplus, on 10/11/2007, -1/+14I'm sure making complete garbage had nothing to do with loss of revenue.
- sephiroth965, on 10/11/2007, -0/+12The article actually says nothing about ticket sales. This could just be a result of rising ticket prices.
- vsujohn2, on 10/11/2007, -3/+15Those numbers should be even HIGHER for this year after all the sequel-madness concludes
- MrKrinkleDude, on 10/11/2007, -0/+11The whole anti-piracy campaign by the RIAA and MPAA isn't about losses due to piracy. It's all about establishing control on the distribution chain. Thus, control on the content. They don't want anyone out there creating content that they cannot control.
- Davede70, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11Yeahhhhhhh. That means more crappy remakes. Way to go WORLD!!!
- fixyourthinking, on 10/11/2007, -2/+9The MPAA and RIAA have YET to receive more revenue than it costs to litigate.
- noots, on 10/11/2007, -2/+9the problem is, who ever is in control of "protecting copyright" HAS to actively push anti-piracy measures. I agree in the current situation piracy isn't affecting movie sales, but if the RIAA / MPAA just sat back and did nothing, it would.
i almost didn't post this because 1. i know how ***** up this comment is and 2. i HATE the mpaa and riaa and hate to even say things like this.
But it's logical. If all police forces stopped around the world because they were sure crime wasn't going to make any additional effect, do you really think crime would stay at the same levels? - Skooma714, on 10/11/2007, -3/+9I pirated Spiderman 3, I wanted the theatre experience so I went to see it in theatres for real.
I will see HP5 in theatres too. - Andr50, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6Ok. Here is how I see it.
I downloaded "Saw", back in the day, on a whim.
I then went to the movies to see "Saw II" when it came out, and rented "Saw III"
If I had not downloaded the first one to see it, I would not have saw the sequels.
Therefore, my personal experience with piracy does in fact stimulate movie industry profits. - herrshuster, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5@Pic0 (#7222331)
not to mention fallical (however you spell it)
i WOULD steal a purse if someone DUPLICATED it and GAVE it to me - Beatmiser, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Sorry- but any movie that I download isn't something I would pay to see in a theater regardless. Hell it isn't something I would even rent most likely. Rather it's something that I'll drop onto a hard drive for a rainy day. If a movie deserves my money, I'll go see it/buy it. Period. I'm not going to go spend $11.00 to go see a three hour long actiongasm bloated POS third part of X Trilogy of movies.
Long story short to Hollywood- Make it worth my while, and I'll make it worth your while. - noots, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5im not refuting that. i'm pointing out, if anti-piracy isn't enforced it will become 30x easier to pirate material and every retard with a broadband connection will take advantage.
i already know people who don't know the first thing about a computer, but know how to torrent. - RiverBelow, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6I pirate for one reason. Its 11 ***** dollars for popcorn and a drink. I do go to the occasional movie, obviously if its good, but quit with the ***** concession markup. God.
- ultrahombre, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4I can see the defence on their side
after all it could have been 9.5 percent.
If this comment pisses you off disregard it. - Konraden, on 10/11/2007, -3/+7@Jolene
If you ever start losing an argument, start quoting statistics, people will believe you; 96% of the time. - takeda, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4@SlamShut: Sorry, but digg has not been taken over, dig has always been like that.
I don't know any geeks who would think different. - TheWorm, on 10/11/2007, -3/+7If I want to see a movie I go see it. If I want to see the movie again, I pirate it. I'm fine with going to the movie theater. In my oppinion, it's ***** when places like Hollywood charge you 7 bucks to rent a video for a week. I just want it for a copule days, and I only want to pay a couple dollars. That's when I pirate.
- falcon413, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4@SlamShut
I've read almost all of your other comments... and I'm curious. If the workers, and the cameramen, and the makeup artists, etc. etc. are the ones being affected mostly by piracy... why the HELL aren't THEY on the rampage instead of the **AA's?
And as many others have said, most of the ones who pirate movies don't even have the money to afford to go to the theater ('cause goddamn, $9.50 or even $11, that's ***** up!). Where I live, going to the movies is just $5.25, and I can ACTUALLY afford going. To be honest, I prefer going to the movies a million times... No computer screen or sound system will ever compare to a movie theater (atleast not for now), and I also prefer buying CDs (I actually like owning the CD, quality, the art, booklet...all that crap that no one cares about anymore), but CDs over here are $18 and I can't afford buying a CD all the time... so I just pirate, and if I didn't pirate, I wouldn't buy the CD anyways... so what's the loss for the companies?
The whole piracy thing is being blown out of proportion by these companies. I don't see musicians complaining (maybe some few) about piracy. I mean, look at Trent Razor! Most musicians make the most money out of shows and concerts and all that, and if piracy means that more people will listen to them and like them, then they'll go see the artists. For movies, again, if people don't have $10 dollars every weekend, they won't go see the movie at all (even though most prefer the theater) and instead download it, so again, where's the loss if they won't spend the $10 anyways? Buying DVDs is the same as $18 CDs for me. If people don't have $18 every weekend, they wont buy the movie anyways. Those who have enough money to get 'stuff' when they want will buy the movie even though they could save it and download it, 'cause believe it or not, most of us (the 'pirates') actually WANT quality, and quality of downloaded movies (atleast from the few I've downloaded and seen) SUCK.
It all depends from the angle you're watching the whole deal... and the **AA's are definitely taking it out of proportion. - wetdirtmud, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4coincidentally my hard drive lost 9% of free space in the past 6 months.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6New movie industry piracy rant:
"Our profits would have been 18% if not for piracy!" - REM333, on 10/11/2007, -4/+8No.
- rhinopig, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3@noots, actually I think it would for the most part. I mean there would be more crime because there would be less criminals in jail, but I think there'd be roughly the same amount of criminals. To para-phrase pen&teller: If someone wants to get into your house no amount of locks are going to protect you. Locks are for honest people, dishonest people will find a way around them.
- trebuchet03, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Ha! I'll bet they still won't figure out that if they make better movies that break the typical cookie cutter plot... their profits will go up!
- MrOuijaAK, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3I do the same thing. It's the worst for TV shows; I could never get into ongoing storylines in TV shows before, because I wouldn't hear about it until 5 episodes in and hoping they rerun the episodes and Tivo catches em (if you have it) etc. etc. is a crapshoot. Now I hear about a great show and I download it, if I like it I usually end up buying the seasons as they release, partially to save hard drive space/stacks of CD-Rs laying all over and partially because (like most humans) I enjoy possessions and like to have a physical object such as a DVD case and the DVD.
Film is different, because I use Netflix. It's so cheap it's practically free, and it has the convenience of not tying up my bandwidth for hours and hours nor searching through torrent sites. Yet it works on the same principle, often after enjoying a movie I'll buy it and usually I purchase it from the Netflix previously viewed DVDs. This is the tactic that needs to be focused on, presenting so cheap it's practically free content without DRM will severely curb piracy and promote sales in a way similar to the gaming communities shareware practices of the early 90s.
Another medium earning my dollars due to my piracy is comic books. I was an avid comic book collector as a child, but as the world's got larger and larger and the prices got higher and higher I shifted away from it. Now I'm downloading dozens of titles a month, more than I've ever read in my life. Yet I'm also going to the comic shop every few weeks and buying trades of the series that I'm really enjoying.
The overall point is that if I didn't have easy, free access to all this content to sample it, I'd never buy it. - luckynas, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Piracy is actually a BS made by movie producers that cannot produce quality movies
In my opinion there are usually less than 20 movies per year that is worth your bucks in cinema
Piracy is just a way to make sure that the buck spent for your cinema is worthed
I am myself own so much retail dvds I BOUGHT FROM store due to piracy or in software term : trial time - sekhui, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3wow, we aren't thinking clearly today, are we?
- jockser, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3I clearly see a relation between pirating and the industry profits.
Don't forget that windows is the number one pirated software. - vawksel, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4The article poster misses the ***** point.
Just because ticket sales go up by 9% doesn't mean piracy doesn't effect ticket sales.
You could very easily say, "If it were not for piracy, ticket sales would be up by 14% instead of only a measly 9%".
There are more theaters built every day around the world, and the population of our planet increases substantially every day.
Think of the 9% as mere inflation, as in if you don't increase by at least that much, you are actually losing ticket sales.
Thanks for playing, loser. -
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