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- seattle98104, on 10/11/2007, -5/+108well that's nothing. the lion king is a rip off of kimba the white lion.
http://www.kimbawlion.com/rant2.htm - Ramzy, on 10/11/2007, -1/+70Better images, and posted more than 300 days ago:
http://digg.com/movies/Disney_Animation_Reuse - dragonlink2, on 10/11/2007, -0/+46Many cartoons do this, such as The Simpsons, Family Guy, and especially older cartoons like Scooby Doo. Establishing shots, frequently repeated motions looped, anything close enough to fit seamlessly can be reused to save time for the animators and the production schedule .
- gcnaddict, on 10/11/2007, -14/+49WHO CARES. WHO CARES. WHO CARES.
For *****' sake, people. Why would you spend money doing something you've *already done* when you can just reuse what you did before? It's common sense!
Slow news day, I guess. - loqqq, on 10/11/2007, -5/+37My 4-year old started boycotting the Disney Channel a year ago because of this. She's currently writing a white paper titled "Cartoon Re-Use in a Post-Modernistic Era"
- goeatsmsht, on 10/11/2007, -0/+25It's just like the whole running past the same house in the background over and over and over and ove.........
- ilkeryoldas, on 10/11/2007, -1/+25Disney saving some costs
- mywhitenoise, on 10/11/2007, -1/+24I never have.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+23I'm inclined to agree. He was loud and repeated himself. =X
- DidYouLoseASock, on 10/11/2007, -2/+23As a professional animator, I would like to inform that this is very common and accepted. It would be a different story if Disney was taking other peoples work but it is their own so it is fine.
- RadiantBeing, on 10/11/2007, -0/+17I'm not surprised. Animation is labor-intensive. Why do you think complex limb movements like fighting and running are so often obscured by dust clouds? Japanese cartoons resort to another method--characters are frozen in stylized poses in front of distracting backgrounds. Finally, reaction shots also cut down on the amount of work required.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -3/+20Allow me to explain
http://disneyrecyclesart.ytmnd.com/
http://disneychange.ytmnd.com/
This one doesn't apply, but it's pretty funny
http://takemybreathaway.ytmnd.com/ - Guard, on 10/11/2007, -0/+12I saw this movie in Walmart not too long ago on the $1 shelves and thought "This looks alot like Lion King" but looked older.
- hifiDesign, on 10/11/2007, -1/+12This isn't that mystifying. Anyone who's done even simple Flash animations should know the rationale behind this.
- irregardless, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10The Simpsons even poke fun at it in the episode where are writing Itchy & Scratchy cartoons using Grandpa's name.
- bovester, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11me neither...
- betobeto, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8I remember doing an animated short as a graduate project some years ago. You don't realize how much time-consuming and labor-intensive such a project can be until you actually get your hands dirty on it. Animation "recycling", therefore, is a practice that, among professionals, seldom gets frowned upon (unless it gets to be overused and is too evident at plain sight).
The Hanna-Barbera cartoons of the 1950s and 1960s were even worse in that regard - to deliver shows as fast as possible and within budget, limited animation was the norm.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited_animation - The2ndAct, on 10/11/2007, -2/+9The Lion King is a ripoff of Hamlet. Think about it. Not to say it's a bad movie, it's actually my favorite of the Disney Neo-Classic Animated films.
- rattenmaus, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7I watched the Jungle Book some days ago, and I noticed that the same Animation of Mowgli walking was used 2 or 3 times, and I mean like 1 minute of Movement with prett specific Motions. Funny that it's the same Animation that they seem to have reused in Pooh Bear.
- DryMaltExtract, on 10/11/2007, -2/+9Wow...how young are you guys?
Nobody's mentioned the old old spiderman cartoon. Those guys were the kings. - DoomMusic, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7Worked for Hitler.
- TheCaterpillar, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6Mr. Hankey?
- joel.smith, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6Hah, I actually remember digging this.
- Botanicus, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7Impeach Disney.
- Pryze, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6Nor have I.
- insomniacal, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Or the old Battlestar Galactica, where we saw the same space battle clips over and over, just remixed for each new episode.
- LukeSkope, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Anyone who has ever worked on an animation project under the constraints of a deadline knows you do what you have to do. Why animate the same movements over and over again, when you can reuse some simple movements/poses, saving time, thus allowing you more time for editing, compositing, shoring up artwork, etc.
I couldn't load the page, so I'm not sure how bad Disney is in this regard, and I am more familiar with 3d than 2d/cell animation. But this isn't really a big deal. - Barr08, on 10/11/2007, -3/+7Michael Bay does this too:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=318944
I think it is pretty common in the movie world - agentVivid, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4normal coders reuse code all the time... not a big deal really
- SmokeMeAKipper, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Really, has the OP ever seen a Hanna-Barbera toon. That's how they made them cheaply. Also the why we have "transformation" sequences in shows.
- stevebor1, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Breaking news, Flintstones use same wraparound background!
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WraparoundBackground - 35263526, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4I fail to see what the big deal is. Does this drag down the quality of Disney work? I certainly don't think so, and the popularity of Disney would seem to indicate that the general public agrees with me. Quite frankly, if I hadn't read this story, I wouldn't even have known it was happening.
Animation takes time and work; If the finished product is still excellent, why the hell should it matter that certain things were reused in the creation process. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4How many industries don't make efficiencies like this to keep costs down? Everybody uses shortcuts in one way or another because it would be a waste of resources and cost prohibitive if they didn't. It's not laziness, it's good business.
- kiduk, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Anime does it too: http://narutocopyninjas.ytmnd.com/
- NeoSporin, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4A little lame? They are children's films, not government conspiracies.
- DocHoliday22, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3If you think that is weird, the UK's Danger Mouse which aired TV screens featured a mouse and his sidekick going on special adventures - most of them in the dark or in snow ridden places like the arctic. All you saw was two pairs of eyes in the dark with voice. Why? Because it saved them time from having to draw in background content.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Amazingly, I didn't actually mind 'new groove'. Most other disney stuff I just find painful.
- qwertydvorak, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3paris hilton must have learned from disney.
http://parisfacial.ytmnd.com/ - psygnisfive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3The images that they "reuse" look like they would have to be significantly reworked, if in their final forms. It looks more like they're reusing some images that were used primarily for providing pose guides, like they had an outline image and then someone comes along and puts over that a clear plastic sheet and then paints the final image by tracing/painting. I can't imagine they'd actually modify final cels, it looks like it would be too much effort, but if they were using that sort of pose guide, sure why not?
- SomeImagination, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3It's common for the same code snippets to be reused in software development. Theres no point in re-doing stuff you don't have to, it's simply a waste of time and money, Why should it be any different in this case?
- actorboy, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Technically, yes. Do you actually believe every single cell is top-to-bottom drawn from scratch?
- The2ndAct, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4Calm down gcnaddict. I don't think the article was put there as a call to arms to boycot Disney for its immoral reuse of its own IP. It's simply and interesting observation.
- bigdoof, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Or even the new Battlestar Galactica. I think I've seen the same mass viper landing sequence about 20 times by now.
- movieguyjon, on 04/03/2009, -0/+2I'm quite sure you'd change your stance on this when you have to animate a feature length movie in a short span of time.
- Enlightenment, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I noticed it many years ago as a kid on multiple cartoons like Flintstones and Scooby Doo. Many shows where people or vehicles are moving very fast horizontally the background is repeated. Should this be a big deal, no, sometimes it is more obvious than others and can be distracting.
Speaking of using the same thing over and over and over and over is rap and hip hop, get a flipping clue, an incredible number of songs that basically say the same B.S. - tnvwboy, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Ooo Crumbs!
- Hellmark, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Thats what they do. They have a basic drawing, they draw some of the final details such as the hair and facial features, then pass it along for the background and coloring.
- crichton101, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Considering that for alot of the movements they would film live actors and then have the artists basically draw from that, I'm not shocked. So they reused motions, look at cgi, they don't call them "walk cycles" because you will only use them once.
- counterplex, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1My 3-year old asked to join Disney's legal department about 12 months ago because of this. She's currently producing a documentary titled "RUH-Roh".
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