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- geeklibrary, on 10/10/2007, -1/+17My vote is for nurture. Our beloved Trek needs some tenderness after that not-so-wonderful movie Nemesis.
- souluos, on 10/10/2007, -3/+15As a long time Trek fan I must say I have been horribly dissappointed over the past 5 years. Bad movies and horrible TV are what has become of it. This continual backwards prequel mania has got to stop. Enterprise was horrible. Now we get yet another movie that play up to the "love affair" between Kirk and Spock (I say that in jest). J.J. doing it is not going to make a bad idea great. Jesus could do the movie and it still wouldn't be great. How about moving the franchise forward another 100 or 200 years. There was an episode of Voyager where people from the federation 500 years in the future came back to make sure the timeline stayed on course. They hinted at why the future had become driven by timecops. Maybe we should be given a new series (to eventually base movies off of) where we start to find out why this became important. Hell anything other than Kirk and Spoke, Vulcans and Klingons "Oh My" would be great at this point.
- MarkDykeman, on 10/10/2007, -2/+13Good article
- Jerim, on 10/10/2007, -2/+11I am with you. If they move the series ahead by about 100 years, they get to rewrite the universe as much as TNG did. Kill off the Klingon Empire perhaps by war or disease. Maybe come across a lone band of Klingons from time to time. Have the Klingons abandon their warrior ways as they struggle to just survive. Maybe even have a story line of some Klingon elder wanting to gather the loose strands of the Klingon race together again, on a new homeworld and re-establish their history. Have the Vulcans leave the Federation to continue re-unification with the Romulans. Maybe have the Borg establish a sort of utopia empire where they now offer to enhance the abilities of the willing with nano technology and many are willing. Turn the Cardassians and Romulans into the main antagonists. Have the Romulans manipulate the Vulcans to their own ends. Just whatever, shake it up. Wipe everything away, and come up with fresh ideas. Develop new characters.
- Rupan, on 10/10/2007, -3/+11lol, all you trek fans bitch and moan about enterprise, but guess what, thats the series that got me into Star Trek. When I got a HD TV I wanted to test out Video Marketplace HD Content on 360 so, I downloaded the Enterprise pilot in HD. And I fell in love. I watched the entire series and loved it. And from that, I did a lot of wiki research, and started watching TNG and Voyager and DS9 (just cant stand TOS bite me). What made Enterprise so great to me, was the fact that with all the other Star Treks, I felt lost. I didnt know what was going on, but they all did. I wanted to know why they where out there, how it all started and the like. I think Enterprise was made for that kind of person.
But, on the same note, I hope the next TV series takes place a good time after the TNG era. Idk if Id say as far as 3000 but maybe 2500 or 2600. Something, where everything is fresh. Something where like Warp drives are used like Impulse. Maybe just breaking the surface of controlled time travel. Whatever the next series is, it needs to not be fan service. They cant just focus on appeasing to the core. They need to look into bringing in a how new audience. Its being said that we are in the age of the nerd. Video games taking off, comic book movies, maybe Star Trek should capitalize on this and bring itself back in as the dominant american Sci Fi program. Remind everyone that its just not sci fi without alien races. (Im looking at you BSG) - ChileanGoD, on 10/10/2007, -3/+11As long as it's not a "Enterprise" sort of reboot. It's ok.
- venom8599, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7While it's good to have some continuity to the story, that was a horrible way to end a series. There were so many more interesting things they could've done with it to give it a proper finale.
- tavisjohn, on 10/10/2007, -2/+9Tom Cruise playing ANY roll in Star Trek = Highlander 2 style mistake!
If Tom Cruise plays ANY part in ANY Star Trek show or movie (Except for the red shirt that get's killed on every mission) then I will not be watching that movie/show. - Velnich, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7I actually liked Enterprise with the exception of the cop out finale. The characters were far more interesting than the ones on Voyager.
- mattatarms1507, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6I would absolutely love to see Trek rebooted properly. How thats done is a difficult proposition though. Part of me wants to a more "gritty" sci-fi like BSG or Firefly. But I also feel that style is starting to get overdone, as well as the initial "Utopian" view of the future that Roddenberry had thought for earth.
- venom8599, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7That rumor didn't have Tom Cruise in a main role. IIRC it was just a cameo as Captain Pike.
- kaffein, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7I think they need to hire a team of drug addict writers, and lock them up in a room to come up with some new fiction.
Don't let them out until they have enough material for 100 more years of Star Trek.
GG. - donkeyshow, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7Quentin Tarantino Star Trek would suck. Except for the Samuel L Jackson, Uma Thurman and Salma Hayek parts of course.
- superyounan1, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7"Beyond all that, the Berman production team appeared to suffer from a sort of creative fatigue. One need only look to the last Star Trek material that team produced — the season finale of Star Trek: Enterprise — to see how self-referential and tired the Star Trek universe has become."
Actually I really like it when star trek shows tie in together! It really makes you feel like you're in the "star trek universe", that its all contiguous. I wouldn't call that a weakness, its a strength. having said that, although I like enterprise, it was the weakest one - the time travel shows made me queasy - spiritpilot, on 10/10/2007, -4/+9I love the idea of a kick-ass Uhura!
- moocow1452, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6And the quantum slipstream drive, and coaxial warpdrive, and salamader drive, and Romulan Ale drive, and....
- V1ncent, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5I give the article 2 Live Long and Prospers!
- venom8599, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6In Voyager the Borg were capable of Trans-Warp, mostly using a massive infrastructure that Voyager also destroyed in the series finale.
- thcobbs, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5It was a shoot-em up space western in the Star Trek Universe....
WTF did you expect? - Kinjiru, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Correction.. excellent article :)
- nmccreight, on 10/10/2007, -5/+9I'm seriously worried that the movie will suck balls if they do end up casting Tom Cruise in the main role.
- MedHead, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6Enough with the rewinding of the timeline!
- afreytes, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Whoa, I have to say those are great ideas all around. Dugg up.
- terminal157, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3I thought First Contact was great. The rest, not so much.
- moocow1452, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4You know as I was reading this, I was thinking, "How about the Romulans?" Correct me if I'm wrong, with the Star Trek Franchise, we have been to Klingon, got a glimpse at Cardassia, and went to the other end of the galaxy in search of alien life, but save a select few episodes, we have seen diddly about the Romulans compared to everybody else, except that they are run of the mill bad guys. Kinda weird considering they're our interstellar neighbors. Am I right?
- Guspaz, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3I happened to like pretty much all recent Trek. I really did enjoy Nemesis, although I'd have preferred if they hadn't treated it as a remake of Wrath of Kahn. And, Enterprise was starting to get a bit old during the Xindi arc, but they really did get better during the last season. And I LIKED the self-referential stuff (especially the last episode), it made the universe feel whole.
So, I don't want a partial reboot. It should either be a full reboot (such as BSG), or no reboot at all (full continuity). I don't want them mucking about with the Trek I grew up with, but I don't mind if they do a completely different take on it. - Empyrean, on 10/10/2007, -3/+6Yeah, they need to expand upon the future in the Star Trek universe and stop dwelling on the past. I have respect for the series' roots, but the whole Kirk-Spock thing is dead in the water if you ask me...and the Enterprise series...dont even get me started on what a load of crap that was. Start where Voyager left off, anything but rehashing the past over and over.
- naio, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4STFU. Scott Bakula was great performing the role of a captain in a era between NASA and the Federation. I'm with Rupan, ENT was made for new audience, not for Picard's and Kirk's widows.
- superyounan1, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3yeah I know, I enjoyed Enterprise, but not as much as all the others. I really like that "first explorers into the vast unknown" kind of pride feeling that you got from the first two seasons, even though the episodes were really weak, and I was really looking forward to the war with the Romulans! and the early years of the Federation! but THAT never came around because it got canned. I thought the finale was a tad creative because it linked to great episode in TNG, but like you guys, i didn't like how it leeched off of the popularity of TNG in an attempt to make it a good ending. OH and... alien Nazis are STUPID
- caribou16, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Might be tough...didn't Sisko turn into a prophet at the end of DS9?
- sarge96, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4You're right, but Enterprise ended up patching holes and stealing ideas.
- Manbeast01, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2here's the thing, the 4th season of enterprise was actually pretty good and tied up all the loose ends of the past 3 seasons also fixed the problems that made enterprise seem wrong looking back from TOS (klingon head ridges, why are the vulcans being such jerks). and it was good because they handed the creative reins to Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stevens, who are great writers and huge Star Trek fans themselves. they managed to salvage continuity and make some kick ass stuff (Mirror Universe 2 parter)
In order to truly save Trek, for the fans, you have to get input from the fans. Unfortunately Paramount doesn't really care about that, more about "WTF our cash cow franchise isn't making as much money as it was before, we need to update it and make it hip so we can start cashing checks again" - venom8599, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4I think that was what Nemesis was supposed to be... before it went very very wrong. It makes me wish they would've pushed the time frame for Enterprise back a few years, since there's supposed to be an Earth-Romulan War in between Enterprise and the creation of the Federation. Would've been much more interesting than the Xindi story arc.
- sukimashita, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I think this was the usual way of moving this franchise forward (which was certainly the right thing) until they decided to break this scheme and recycle from the past to a degree where everything started to get boring. This series needs the originality of TNG back, combined with moving the storyline to the next generation of the expanding federation.
- sukimashita, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Ah come on, wouldn't you do everything to just come a little closer to Xenu?
- nunofgs, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3WE ALSO NEED A DECENT GAME. None of that 'Legacy' crap.
- Kronos6948, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I swear to god, if I go to the theater to see this movie, and it opens with some WB theme music opening, I'm going to shoot someone. That theme alone made me unable to get into Enterprise.
- NinjaBoy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Last night i tried watching Enterprise. I turned it off when i saw Klingons retreat and give up just because of a circle of fire. WTF
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3The problem with JJ Abrams doing it is that every scene will introduce a completely random, mysterious event that the writers will immediately forget about and remain unresolved.
- djremix71, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Didn't they have some kind of trans-warp teaser at the end of one of the series or something? Why not play off of something like that. A new warp drive that shatters everything in the trek universe? Now they can travel universes. I think that would break out of the molds of what we have. Fast-forward into the future and use all of our advances in CG and whatnot to make the ship really look next gen. That is what I would like to see. A crew that is truely going where no man has gone before.
- kilna, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2I agree that another prequel has a high probability of sucktitude, though JJ at the helm certainly lifts the credibility quotient. I also agree that it may be better to do a flash forward not backward. But not of the twinkly bright-eyed optimism of the Federation in it's heyday. What I want, to be socially relevant to our time (that is what Trek is all about isn't it?)... would examine the post-Federation era. America is about to enter the age of Caesar with Bush in charge. Perhaps investigate the idea that Andromeda got so very wrong (Kevin Sorbo... NOOOO!), and chronicle the voyages of some wayward idealists in the aftermath of the breakdown of the republic. Isn't the "what if?" of the Federation having crumbled under it's own weight worth pursuing? The "Section 31" storylines in DS9 definitely indicated a shadow government was actually pulling some of the strings... I think it warrants a story.
- Kronos6948, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I'm with you on that one...As much as I love the Trek universe, I wasn't a fan of a lot of the TNG movies...they just didn't seem right to me.
- naio, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Huh... no?
- Jensaarai, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2The problem with Star Trek is that it lost its balls.
Nobody who has handled that series in the past 10 years has moved it forward as a science fiction franchise. Granted, there have been some good shows and good series, but there's been a lot of good stories in relatively generic sci-fi settings outside the Star Trek Universe, so there's nothing special about that.
What made Trek so exciting is that it was always at the forefront of bringing the masses examples of crazy future technology, and showing how people interact within that context. Somewhere along the line, it just stopped doing that. Has there been a commonly used Trek technology that has wowed us since the Holodeck? I can't think of any. It's like they've been afraid to move forward and bring us the next wave of mind bending predictions or go out on a limb about what sort of crazy stuff may be out there. Hell, they haven't even left the Milky way yet to see what's in the rest of the Universe.
So in the end, this movie might be good or it might be a trainwreck, but unless Abrams is planning on radically retooling the technological capabilities of the characters, it won't have the cultural impact of earlier Trek series like TOS, TNG, and arguably some of DS9. - Kronos6948, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1To quote Roddenberry:
"Wagon Train to the Stars". - stack3r, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3TNG, Deep Space 9 and Voyager - Until star trek returns to that quality of programming, they might as well close the doors.
Enterprise was a large joke and made me feel dirty.
Hopefully someone with a partial bit of clue will make the next movie something worth seeing. - Velnich, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2The last few star trek movies weren't that bad when you disqualify Nemises as horrible horrible fan fiction that does nothing more than rape continuity for over an hour.
Insurrection was a TNG episode. It was nice if not as epic as you'd expect from a movie.
First Contact, was very entertaining and a great Trek movie, even if it did bruise continuity a bit and muck up the borg.
Generations was... nice. - Hazardc, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1The best days of trek were the last couple seasons of DS9 after berman/braga took off to screw up voyager. DS9 was brilliant at that point.. voyager had it's moments, and now that trek is in ruins, even crap voyager episodes have become watchable.
Enterprise was ***** at first, and destroyed continuity (wich is one of the very most important things for me in a star trek show.. if you dont want to obey the continuity of the series, dont ***** call it trek) however, season 4 of enterprise was pretty damn good IMO.
what really ruined it for me was having two piles of crap in a row, we all knew insurrection was going to suck but be watchable (all odd numbered trek movies are sub par, it has always been the even ones that were stellar) then nemisis came along and ***** it all up. nemisis was worse than star trek the motion picture - ElwoodHerring, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Thank you for proving that it's "ok" to like Enterprise. I'm also a fan, currently watching the entire run again. There are some excellent episodes to be found, especially in the 3rd series. I see so much antagonism towards Enterprise, I just want to say "Give it a chance"; compared to other TV shows it's still head & shoulders above the rest even if it isn't quite as polished as TNG or Voyager. Watch "Similitude" or "Chosen Realm" for example - two of my favourites. (And yes, I know Chosen Realm has similarities with the TOS episode "Let that be your last battlefield", but it is more relevant today with the current problems we have with religious extremists and suicide bombers.)
- mos6507, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2They already screwed with continuity of production design with Enterprise. They tried to make up with it with the Defiant episode but the damage was done. The moral of that story was that you DON'T go back into TOS land without preserving the production design. Scotty walking into the old Bridge in Relics was one of the most moving moments of TNG. You can MILDLY update the effects. Make the viewports animated, for instance. Add a little bit of spit and polish and detail to the props and sets, have the ships look like the TOS remastered version, but overall they have to embrace the past otherwise it defeats the purpose of going back in time.
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