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- hoowahman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+44You got to remember the type of people that go to see independent films with low budgets. These type of people are probably more generous than the masses. I am stereotyping here but I think it might be true for the most part.
- Scrappy1850, on 10/12/2007, -2/+43i wish hookers worked that way
- trueimage, on 10/12/2007, -3/+32I think this would definetly help weed out these terrible "blockbusters" and help encourage theaters to show smaller budget films that are good
- animalmuther76, on 07/30/2008, -2/+31this sounds cool, but there will always be people who wont pay even if the film was the best they have ever seen, but i guess enough mugs will pay to cover for that ;)
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+29How many people paid due to peer pressure? Wow gee, long line to get out of here, and everyone is paying... I don't want to look like an *****...
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+23Yeah right. A 2 theater test is NOT something you could extrapolate to the entire industry.
- theuserdylan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17Two Reasons the studios will never let this happen. 1. Michael. 2. Bay.
- JezusGhoti, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14The people who go to see independent films with low budgets probably better recognize how much work goes into making a film and, thus, are more willing to pay than the idiots who go to see Wild Hogs.
- Raian, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12I think this will fail over the long term-- People are excited at first because it's a new concept, but over time people will encounter a movie that isn't worth paying for, and start to get in the habit of not paying.
A good book/audio book to pick up is Freakonimcs you can get more info here: http://www.freakonomics.com/thebook.php
He has a whole chapter on a guy who tracked donation-only Bagel boxes- and the factors that made people more honest and less honest... simple things like the weather would effect the honesty of the people and the returns he made on his bagels.
It's interesting stuff. - shanimal, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12And you're the type of jackass who thanks the hobo, then drives off, apparently.
- Kronos6948, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11It's not stereotyping..The idea is called demographics. They're playing up to people they know will pay. This movie probably wouldn't make much in my neighborhood...
- Scrappy1850, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10hahahaha, i worked for tips for 10 years. both delivering pizzas and waiting tables. i KNOW how this works out demographically. i can write you a full report without even seeing their data.
- Scrappy1850, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9the MPAA might ***** you and charge for it, but i know hookers who at least will work hard until im satisfied
- markp93, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Just charge $5 for drinks.. Oh wait, they already do that.
- felchdonkey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I'd raise the age to 25, but yeah, that's actually a pretty good approach.
- Hubris, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Theaters KNOW the food and snacks aren't worth what they're charging...it's highly unlikely that patrons would CHOOSE to pay more than the value those items would have anywhere else. Since theaters use concessions to make up shortcomings elsewhere, they expect to make much more than what things are 'worth'.
- ahhell, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I'd love to see this implemented for Uwe Boll pictures. Nothing like paying for a movie with a penny cut in half.
- NeoCortex, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"i wish hookers worked that way"
Yeah, but if you get a bad one and don't pay up front, you still pay for it later. - hoowahman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6They should try this idea with the food given in theatres too. Give the food away for free and you pay what you think it's worth. Bad idea?
- Stradenko, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4It was a pay-what-you-think-it-was-worth kind of deal.
- Gr8Pumpkin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5The best part of this idea is that you guys heard about his movie. Getting your name out there is the hardest part. Now you want to see the movie to make the judgment yourself. Paying for it or not, you saw the movie. If/When it goes nationwide I doubt it will continue to be pay as you wish but the buzz is already out there.
- dsignr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I forgot the name of the restaurant, but it was featured on the Food Network. It followed the same theory, eat their food.. and pay what you feel like. If you don't have cash, then help out in the restaurant--do the dishes, sweep the floor, bus tables, or even tend their garden (they grow their own veggies).
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3You mean 8.50?
- cambrown99, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Bad idea for Rob Schneider and Chris Kattan.
- jeffgrado, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3How about this: if you are over a certain age, say 21, you can pay after seeing the movie. If under that age, then you must pay before hand. This will cut some of the never-pay abuse.
- amoirae, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3***** Movies: More Than Meets The Eye
- felchdonkey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The website for the film is at http://www.revoloutionmovie.com/
They're taking some good approaches to distributing the film, including a DVD for sale while it's still in theaters, full screen streaming of the film online, and 5 minute sections of the film available free as a podcast.
I still can't figure out where / when it's playing in New York, though. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'd like to see how this worked demographically.
- fernwood, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2If I remember that chapter correctly, the guy found the biggest increase in money by drawing a set of eyes on the sign above the donation box.
Maybe that would be the key here - show a set of eyes watching you on the projection screen for few minutes after the film. Of course knowing the MPAA, they'd probably end up having armed guards forcing you to stay and watch the eyes for the entire time. - charlestgarcia, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3A good idea, in concept, but making it work is near impossible. No major movie house is going to release a picture under these terms. It is, however, a great way for independent film makers to get a quick gauge of viewer reaction to their movie. Nice experiment nonetheless!
- bretcarr, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3if you read reviews from rotten tomatoes
you're getting mostly emotionally conservative
and often Gay reviewers who
have emotional issues and when confronted
with this unique film makes you look at your
defining trauma, they have to destroy it,
otherwise go into therapy for childhood molestation.
I know for a fact that the new york times reviewer
was so pressured for time Jeanette Kutsulis, that
she didn't watch the film but fast forwarded and took notes.
She messed up the plot summation in her review and
borrowed the rest from our press release.
For a real review, go to the web fans on imdb who
aren't paid to look good by being nasty. Or fan review sites.
Their were no lukewarm reviews only Severely POLARIZED
meaning the film pissed conservatives off.
My personal favorite was a guy (and here it is on video)
who said he didn't like the movie, didn't see the point of the movie and just sat there
-and then he CRIED
Here are real people (tell me they're actors and i'll be complimented
you think any director can get 10 meryl streep perfomances from people off of the street)
http://www.areyoulou.com
oh, and not all conservatives feel that way, only paid ones.
Here are crowds from OHIO - at a untiy church
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbSn3sNGtIA
HERE ARE THE MAJORITY OF AMAZING REVIEWS -
http://www.awarenessmag.com/mayjun06/mj06_revoloution.htm
REVOLOUTION is more than the amazing story of Lou Benedetti s transformation from street-fighting stutterer into a compassionate and powerful communicator. By following the psychological near-death experience of his character LOU, audiences identify with Carr s Oscar-caliber performance and come out having had their own awakening. --http://www.awarenessmag.com/mayjun06/mj06_revoloution.htm
"Spellbinding and profoundly inspiring! I love this movie! It's a must-see! Bret Carr delivers a powerful performance as Lou, a stuttering boxer whose career ends while the fight to bring his life back to normal begins. Initially, it seems like you've seen this kind of plot done before in a variety of movies about underdogs. However, RevoLOUtion is not as simple as it deceptively seems. Writer/director Bret Carr uses this deceptively simple plot to hook the viewer in an easy-to-follow way before getting into the complex aspects of what the press notes call a modernized shamanic ritual, but is actually a brililant rite of passage where Lou confronts his fears much like was done by Christopher Walken's character in The Deer Hunter, which Carr's writing partner was Oscar nominated for. However, RevoLOUtion, violence is used as a means of transcendence in a particularly powerful scene. "
http://nycmovieguru.com/revoloution.html
and from older cuts (I'm still shooting a few more scenes by the way)
http://www.3blackchicks.com/2004reviews/gs-dtgospeloflou.html - xinit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2How I wish that I could have paid after watching suckfests like Armageddon... though I can't imagine that studio execs would take away the right message of "The movie sucks" and instead believe "Damned pirates."
- geoken, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It's true. Try this on a Friday night at a large theater where at least half the seats are taken up by 13-17 year olds and see how well it does.
- bretcarr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Hi Director/ Distributo/ Actor/ Floor Sweeper here:
We couldn't afford to keep it in theatre even with 5000 a theatre gross.
So we had to pull it... I guess subscribe to
http://www.youtube.com/AreYouLOU
and if we get enough subscribers we can approach
a real distrib - but they have a line of movie stars wanting their movies
and mothers movies distributed - and there press means more
than our box office numbers. So we have to amortize expenses
over multiple theatres like more than 100 to make 500,000 off of 300,000
in expenses... I lost 200 g on NY/LA
here read this http://www.mindhacks.org - Gholas, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I believe the correct answer would be - 1. Uwe 2. Boll
- dickybrown, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6scrappy, are you saying hollywood and the MPAA aren't a bunch of whores?
- Lennalf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Part of the success of this initial test is that people will pay more for a novelty. Plus, there is a likelihood that this audience was selective. This idea might work in some regions, but I guarantee it would be a horrible failure in my neighborhood, where the majority of the movie-going audience consists of teenagers who like to try and sneak their friends in.
Do we really want our art films on a pay-after basis? I mean, that just provides further motivation for those who are financially invested in the production of a piece to censor it and avoid trying new techniques or tackling controversial issues. Do we really want all movies to have happy endings (people pay more when they are in a good mood)? Should Brokeback Mountain have ended with a wedding? - Scrappy1850, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1does anyone know where a real article is on this? i cant watch videos at work. did they tell the viewers how much to pay?
- HeatVision, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2From the video: "I walk out of ninety percent of the movies I see..."
Wow, his film must be a freaking masterpiece then ;) - mr.hostility, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Nice concept, but based on the reviews around the web, he'll be lucky to get any money at all.
- bretcarr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1in los angeles they covered the cheapos
but in new york, well it was weaker -
LA made up for NY - bretcarr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1haha - that's true too!
and that's why people paid and paid more than box office
cause RevoLOUtion is uniquely powerful. I don't know
that it would work with just a great laugh fest or good drama.
Only a movie that stays with you. Listen to some of the people:
http://www.areyoulou.com
but it was great fun to put power into the people's hands
and ID DO IT AGAIN! - bretcarr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1actually, i wasn't collecting the money and wasn't
around alot. But we did have volunteers outside the
doors or in lobby with donation buckets.
We actually got alot of 20s -that made up for the
non-payers... - crstern, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@shanimal:
You apparently have never lived anywhere with homeless window-washers. It's not a good thing for them to wash your windows. Up until like 1997 hobo window washers were responsible for a thick coating of grime on your windshield on most cars in New York.
If you said no thank you, they'd start anyways. If you put on your windshield wipers to stop them you had a 50% chance of missing your wipers. I don't like having money squeezed out of me. - deadcow231, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This is a really good idea from a management standpoint. You get all the money, and even if people think they can get away with stealing a movie, they'll look like total jackasses if they do. That and there would be more witnesses. The only downside would be trying to enforce this. Imagine if they sealed all of the exits right after the movie to ensure that people pay, but if a fire started, the doors would have to be opened and the theater would likely lose considerable amounts of money. I have to wonder one thing in particular, though. What would happen if you walked out early?
- nofelix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'm interested if the people going to the film KNEW they would be paying afterwards before they got to the cinema. If they were expecting to pay, already had ten dollars in their wallet which they were ok with spending, then it's not too surprising if they gave that away after seeing a decent film.
Unexpectedly finding that the fee for a film is optional is VERY different from openly offering people a free film if they want it. Also, the film-maker seemed to be at the cinema which probably added to people's empathy with him and possible guilt over not paying. - Toddbrew1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1There is no such thing as a fee lunch ....er.....movie. Mr Scepticism says that most people tend to see free as being crap. If it's worth seeing it's worth paying to see. Thats why you have to pay to use the parks, lakes, campgrounds etc. Weeds the riff raff out.
- npsg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Sounds like a great movie.
- bretcarr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0http://www.mindhacks.org/2007/03/06/how-bret-carr-a-simple-street-artist-recently-went-from-painting-grains-of-rice-to-directing-a-movie-with-two-oscar-winning-legends/
- davesids, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The making of this movie is a true inspiration to everyone- anybody who can enlist the help of Oscar Winners on movies with cult followings such as The Deer Hunter and Rocky and get them to work for next to nothing because of their passion deserves to get their movie out to the masses in my book. And what a mind-blowing experiment to release it!
If only more filmmakers adopted this new approach to ticket sales as well- it has the potential to revolutionize the movie theater experience. I had the pleasure of speaking to Bret this week himself and he explained his bizarre experiment and also the lengths he had to go to finish RevoLOUtion. I wrote an article on our convo and thought I'd share it here.
http://www.mindhacks.org/2007/03/06/how-bret-carr-a-simple-street-artist-recently-went-from-painting-grains-of-rice-to-directing-a-movie-with-two-oscar-winning-legends/ -
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