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- sobriquet, on 10/12/2007, -2/+148Because it worked so well last time.
- toastgodsupreme, on 10/12/2007, -2/+75You really wonder if they have anyone working for the RIAA who lives in the real world and actually sees what this is doing.
- Valo, on 10/12/2007, -6/+76The MPAA and the RIAA know exactly what they are doing. They arn't suing because of intellectual properties they are suing because programs like bit-torrent make it easy for up and starting musicians and directors to distribute their works.
Why is that a threat to the MPAA and RIAA? Because it takes away their power of telling you whats good and whats not. It means that you can sit at your home and watch something original instead of going to the theater and watch whatever movie Hollywood has re-hatched. It means you can listen to good music instead of the new Christina Spears clone album.
Overall it means in a few years (months even) when quality shows and music are Finlay put on the Internet that are truly independent it cuts into their profit.
And for all of you who will say that I'm wrong and there are doing it purely as a reaction to piracy then answer me this. Why are they going feverishly after some lady with five kids who only downloaded one song to her computer with out paying for it instead of these people in Indonesia and Mexico that are making massive profit on this stuff? - jsd8cc, on 10/12/2007, -1/+61"In the meantime, isohunt.com remains open for business, and is now enjoying a slew of new users and seeds to download from."
Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. Keep these lawsuits coming, RI/MPAA, they're helping...
no, really. - Moocat, on 10/12/2007, -2/+41Suing by association, that's rich. And by association, millions of new users find out about sites they didn't know about before because of RIAA/MPAA. Doesn't that make them guilty? Perhaps my friend is guilty because he showed me where google is, and I used google to find digg, which led me to a new torrent site I didn't know about before. Or the AP. Or Yahoo news. Where does it end? Does it end?
- Mejogid, on 10/12/2007, -1/+38You're trying to think logically, aren't you? Won't work with the MPAA. Trust me.
- op12, on 10/12/2007, -8/+43"anyone working for the RIAA who lives in the real world" - ummm...that seems pretty contradictory, right there.
- SkeletaLlama, on 10/12/2007, -1/+36I think it worked by advertising PirateBay. Now it's always so busy I can never get the page to load. They took it down through popularity instead of legality.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+26I thought IsoHunt didn't host the .torrent files?
- chris9902, on 10/12/2007, -3/+25not unless that have a fighter jet they can land on an aircraft carrier and 100ft banner.
- rileyjt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20The MPAA announcing they are going after a site is like a DDOS attack...
Free advertising and a couple extra million curious users for an obscure torrent site will pretty much knock it out of order for a bit :) - Abatrour, on 10/12/2007, -4/+22I completely agree. Once music artists find out that they can get their music out there on itunes or bit torrent and bypass the labels the whole world will come to an end :P
Statistics show that p2p actually help sell cd's and the music industry is scared that artists will realise that.
As for movies, who wants to spend 10 - 15bux to see a movie in a smelly movie theatre with uncomfortable seats with no leg room to listen to people talk on their phones.
People will pay to see a GOOD movie in a theatre, maybe they should start making more of them instead of the cookie cutter garbage ie iceage/shrek/finding nemo. - op12, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19@bonchbonchbonch: That's highly subjective. If someone wouldn't buy a music album or a movie because they thought it was overpriced, but they download it because they can, what have their actions done? They are not detracting from potential revenue. That's the whole problem in the first place. It's impossible to tell what would actually happen if the people that pirate didn't pirate. Certainly some of them would instead be buying the product, but it's possible that people who wouldn't have bought it will after getting something pirated too.
- card2570, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16@Abatrour:
Damn... I was with you until you dissed Finding Nemo. :-)
The folks at Pixar make nothing but high quality films, with more emotion and attention to story and detail than most non animated features produced today. In my opinion, their track record has proved that to be true. - centinall, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17here's a video about the creator Gary Fung and what he thinks about the situation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXaALmVabpk&search=isohunt - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16I agree but it is deeper than that. The people gained a lot of control with the Internet and it is threatening many businesses. I think you can equate this fight with the net neutrality debate or even the erosion of media ownership regulation. Now you can listen to and make popular music they don't have control of. You can get your news from many and non-corporate owned sources. You can buy where you want and what you want. Who's going to tell us what the next cabbage patch doll is, if we get our news from unbuyable sources? Who's going to tell us what movies are good or music to listen to, if we listen to radio that doesn't play payola? How are our representative going to get reelected when the net has a longer memory than the public?
or from the corporate view, how can i crush a competitor, when someone with little or no money can make a site like myspace,ebay or digg and all the money in the world wont make people go to my site? Or dare i say, the artists actually start selling there own music.. what happens then.. I think the public got a big power grab with the net and it scares the ***** out of everyone in power or making money. - GotoDengo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15Next up... Make it illegal to use the "filetype:torrent" parameter on Google.
- MalDON, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12They been being sued by the MPAA for a long time now.
- KissTheRing, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12I think you're right, they just link to torrents on other sites and add a little isohunt logo in the file name in the process as far as I know
- SkeletaLlama, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14Will they prematurely declare victory this time too?
- jmnugent, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Actually...they (RIAA/MPAA) WILL lose..and here is why
1.) they operate on an old and now obsolete business model. The RIAA and MPAA were built around the concepts and business practice of selling TANGIBLE goods (albums/movies/CD's,etc)...the internet model is nothing like that....there is nothing tangible about it...its DATA..it can take many forms and doesnt come delivered to your door wrapped up in a pretty bow. When you copy a song---the person you copy it from does NOT lose it---they still have a copy as well.
2.) File sharing is faster than lawsuits. In the time it takes them to research and lawsuit 1 person, 100 other people have become aware of bittorrent and begun using it. That is a losing battle. Its the same as the USA/Mexico border situation. In the time it takes you to deport 1 illegal immigrant, 1000 make it across the border.
The long and short of it is---the genie is out of the bottle and its NOT going back in. Once internet users become more educated things will only get worse for RIAA and MPAA. Once we have truely anonymous, encrypted and distributed file sharing (ala The FreeNet Project)...and users get more educated about using open source and non-corporate software packages.....that will really spell the end of RIAA/MPAA type organizations.
We are on teh cusp of it already (recent story about the "Elephant Dreams" independantly produced movie using BLENDER software)....Audio bands can do the same thing..start a website and sell music directly.---OR---simply give away their albums and sell live shows......bypass RIAA and MPAA --thats what they are most scared of...the (little) people taking the power back... - gDubz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12It appears to download directly from IsoHunt. Still, torrents are nothing but meta data. You can't download any copyrighted files from IsoHunt. As far as I know; you can't upload directly to IsoHunt; IsoHunt doesn't have it's own tracker.
We have decent copyright laws in Canada, and a government that doesn't say "How high" when the White House says 'jump'. (I hope) - saska, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Despite the RIAA/MPAA's silliness, I don't buy your argument that they are doing this because they feel threatened by independent distribution. You simply can't tell me with a straight face that the majority of traffic on P2P networks is trafficking of independent, unsigned bands and independently-produced films. It's called ISOhunt, for crying out loud. ;)
The question about who they sue, and why, doesn't support or negate your point, either. They're feverishly going after individuals and pushing for out of court settlements and publicizing the monetary details of those settlements in order to frighten people into thinking twice before sharing files via P2P.
I think we can agree that their claims about the financial impact of piracy on their businesses are blown out of proportion and are used to cover up other commercial failings that result from not producing good entertainment. However, they're not going to shut down independent bands by shutting down ISOhunt, and I contend it's the last thing on their mind. Changing their business model necessitates conceding some of their huge corporate profits, and they won't do that - so they spread fear and fight ineffectually against the evolution of consumer behavior. - toolpc, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9That was a Free 5 minute commercial. The MPAA are a bunch of taints.
- allthewhile, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7"People will pay to see a GOOD movie in a theatre, maybe they should start making more of them instead of the cookie cutter garbage ie iceage/shrek/finding nemo."
Actually, family friendly movies like "ice age, shrek, and finding nemo" do very well. In fact, these types of family movies make FAT CASH.
What's the number one grossing movie of 2006? Ice Age. - Chuck95, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I for one hope the **AA's keep suing and suing and suing... Sooner or later they are going to sue the wrong person and get their ass handed to them.
- cbiz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I remember years ago talking to friends about mp3's, half the time they would stop me and ask, "what's an mp3?" With the help of the MPAA/RIAA they are now making sure everyone knows what a BitTorrent file-sharing protocols is. The bad guys just want to stop this technology by brainwashing the general public. If broadcast TV only happened 10 years ago I'm sure they would have tried to kill it.
- Nanobe, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6They didn't get TPB. You should stay current on the news. TPB is back up and the Swedish police are ending up in a lot of trouble for that *illegal* raid. Sites like TPB and isohunt do exactly what Google does. The only real difference is that TPB and isohunt focus on a particular file format, as if you're using Google with the filetype: parameter. They're just search engines, as it has been ruled in court countless times that the services they provide are perfectly legal as long as they aren't proven to be specifically and deliberately encouraging illegal actions. Since TPB and isohunt are search engines that don't discriminate between legal and illegal results, they're no different from Google.
- EssPii, on 10/12/2007, -7/+11Zav: No need to spell out the joke. Chris did a perfect job of it.
- Chakz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4So if they "Can't do nothing" does that mean "They can do something"
- snapcase, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5The hilarity will never end with the RIAA/MPAA.
- sean74, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Someone please explain to me how these movies are cookie-cutter. Because they're family-friendly cookies? Have something against kiddie movies? (which seem to entertain the rest of us adults as well)
- theRIAA, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5..nobody likes me
- rileyjt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4What has the world come to where getting sued by some of the largest and most powerful companies in the world is a crucial part of your business model in order to attract new members?
This battle is certainly amusing to watch. Its like the MPAA is being played so hard that they don't even realize it while everyone else sits on the sidelines laughing. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Makes me want to set up a torrent site in sweden.. beg the mpaa to sue me so i dont have to work for the advertising revenue.
- EtaoinShrdlu, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Except that in Canada, it is not illegal to download, and the Supreme Court said so, so it’s kinda hard to tell the police to shut down a perfectly legal website…
- EGOvoruhk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4"Stopping it, is....Mission impossible"
I always love a little cheese with my news - br0ck, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Could you provide an example search as it seemed to work perfectly for every search I tried. Try this one:
http://www.google.com/search?q=ubuntu%20filetype%3Atorrent - o0joshua0o, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4"The geek shall inherit the earth".
- rileyjt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3The networks will simply evolve and become more decentralized. The centralized websites may not be faring too well, but the number of file sharers is not dropping - so where do you think they are going? The fact is that the RIAA/MPAA would have been much better with the Napster (original) type services where they could impose some sort of control and royalty collection on a centralized entity. As the RIAA/MPAA continue to force the decentralization of file sharing, they really are putting themselves in a situation where they continually need to spend more and more effort to control and monetize media distribution. The type of actions that they are taking just are not sustainable and eventually they will reach a point where it simply is no longer profitable to try to control the distribution channels.
I find it ironic that no one ever mentions the largest torrent tracker websites of all. Google and Yahoo both do a hell of a job finding torrent files. The evolution of the BitTorrent and file sharing in general is really going on in the backend systems where they become more and more integrated with the rest of the internet. You don't actually *need* speciality sites like Pirate Bay to find torrents, just a search engine. - everfresh59, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4RIAA/MPAA = Free Marketing!!! Thanks guys!!
- artanis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Oops, I meant to digg brickbat's comment! Bush's crotch was bulging pretty good in that photo shoot. He probably gets an erection over conflict... It would explain so much!
- whackaxe, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3in other news the MPAA will sue itself for distributing films thus contributing directly to piracy!
- Aninhumer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@mtalon:
The nature of a torrent tracker makes it near impossible to stop illegal files getting on there.
It's like building a huge bonfire with only one guy to find any dangerous stuff in it.
And the MPAA/RIAA are like a firewood company, they know most of what you're doing is legal, but they scour your bonfire/website for anything illegal. If they find something, instead of pointing it out, they call the police!
Actually I like that analogy - thebigkahuna, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5***** the mpaa
- bjsiders, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2As I keep saying ... I appreciate the need to protect their intellectual property. The law is indeed on their side. But what is legal is not necessarily moral, and when innocent citizens are damaged in the process, they ought to stop and figure out if their tactics are worth it. It doesn't even make business sense. Here you have people who desperately want their products, so bad that they'll violate the law to have that product, and the content cartels are only recently coming up with ways to satisfy a market need. There's even a way for them to profit by GIVING away their product, and it's called advertising and market research. And finally, they need to stop trying to cripple the media we purchase. You used to be able to drop $16 on a CD and justify it because it turned into a copy on your iPod, in your car, in your changer at home, and a digital copy on your computer. If they want to make the product LESS valuable by removing the ability to easily do that, why on earth do they think anybody will still fork over sixteen bucks for it? I'm a conservative capitalist, and I just don't understand the business logic in these businesses. Well, I do, it's heads-down, ears-plugged, blinders-on, stubborn adherence to good ol' tried and true. That's not the attitude of an industry that is on the up-and-up. Companies with that kind of attitude towards innovation and technology don't survive except by legislating their business model (RIAA: check) or dismantling the competition. In this case the competition is illegal, but it's a form of lawbreaking that cannot be eliminated. At best, it can be reduced, but reduction is not the same as control. What are they goign to do when the distribution server is in China? Or Sealand?
- therernospoons, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3The only thing isohunt.com is guilty of is being a Google with a focus on .torrents. Heck, you can find .torrents using Google, so why not go after them?
- anti-net, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I know pirating stuff is illegal but I like to download some US TV shows, There is no other way for me to get these shows, so the companies airnt loosing or gaining anything from me eaither way, so why don't they just shut up and let me watch bloody family guy, Without a trace, scrubs, american dad and so forth....i admit it i am a pirate, so sue me! if you can find me :-)
- jhuebel, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6@Moocat: It's called being an accessory. I'm not making a judgement call on the validity of their claims, mind you. I'm just making the point that there *is* such a thing as guilt by association.
- rzurad, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I for one thank the MPAA for pointing us out to all these wonderful torrent sites. Without all these lawsuits, how would we ever know where to get reliable torrents from? :)
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