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- aresef, on 10/12/2007, -11/+92But at least Sony has Riiiiiidge Racer! :P
I couldn't resist. So sue me. - StarManta, on 10/12/2007, -3/+74"I couldn't resist. So sue me."
Careful. They'll take you up on that. - duke_nate, on 10/12/2007, -7/+77The MPAA is just about as good as Sony when it comes to shooting yourself in the foot.
- aplardi, on 10/12/2007, -3/+37Don't worry, that will change.
We should write sarcastic letters to the MPAA asking them to limit what we can do with our content, to make things even more expensive, and to tell them they are doing a good job of ruining the future of America by suing the kids who will one day run it, forcing them to drop out of college to pay them more money.
Thank you MPAA, because without you, the world would suck less. - wild, on 10/12/2007, -0/+28I hadnt heard of Pirate Bay until they "shut it down." Now I am a user. So thanks MPAA!
- conspirito, on 10/12/2007, -2/+28Best .torrent sites in order of usefulness
1.Mininova
2.The Pirate Bay
3.ISOHunt
4.Torrent spy
5.Demonoid
6.Torrentreactor
Feel free to add more =) - danglerman, on 10/12/2007, -4/+28now they will...FREE publicity!!!
- millixaw, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19"The MPAA is just about as good as Sony when it comes to shooting yourself in the foot."
Uh, the MPAA *IS* Sony. Sony is the lead member of the MPAA (Colukmbia Pictures) as well as the RIAA (BMG Music). - podgey22, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18And MPAA if we're going to be relevant here.
- joeshlub, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14Ah, a bunch of geeks and some servers shall once again prosper over thousands of men in suits. All hail the communications age, my friends.
- rzurad, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14I would like to offer a heartwarming thanks to the MPAA. Without you, I never would have realized that I could be paying $0.02 per megabyte for unDRM'ed music from allofmp3.com instead of $0.99 cents per DRM'ed song from iTunes.
Sure, allofmp3.com may be illegal here, (INAL) but according to what I've read from US import laws, it's not illegal for me to buy things from them (yet). - ViRaZ, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13Thanks MPAA, I'm on my way over there right now.
- will-rom, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13You're thinking of the RIAA. MPAA couldn't careless about allofmp3.com.
- dracula7, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12http://torrents.to lets you switch through them all ( + after searching there are tabs at the top to browse other sites)
- tdogg241, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Maybe we'll start seeing an MPAA effect. Soon, people will be saying "ISOhunt got MPAA'd."
- compu73rg33k, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8"I dispute that shutting these places down provides any advertising. It's not like this is news getting reported on CNN."
No it's not on CNN, but I'm sure many news stations broadcasted the news about the demonstrations in Sweden. Also I've told numerous people about the story who previously didn't know about TPB and a couple of them are now users. So yes, the MPAA IS giving free advertising and these sites are probably thankful for it. :) - merreborn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7They'd just site them as evidence that consumers want DRM, and support them in their endevours to stop piracy.
- DROWE859, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Haha, my favorite was one of the commenter's points:
"Well it maight sound strange, but without fires, firefighters wouldnt have a job..." - Kimi3013, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Oink! - Good place to get music, hard to get an invite though...
www.oink.me.uk - LoopyChew, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8"The site was back up two days later, and only suffered additional outages because so many more people started using the site"
Ingenious! The MPAA's new strategy is to slashdot all the good torrent sites! - omenborn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I wouldn't say they weren't on CNN. http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/internet/06/02/sweden.hacker.ap/index.html
I know the article is there because of the hackers that shut down the swedish police's website, but it talks mostly about how the Pirate Bay was shutdown - phreakout, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Laws like this are much more useful.
Law Dude: "Stop doing that"
Citizen : "OK I will comply, stop doing what?"
Law Dude: "You should know."
Citizen: "Errrr....."
It would be much less confusing than the multitude of laws that exist today. - compu73rg33k, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"No, they're suing to make an example of people and frighten off the rest;"
Doesn't seem like they're doing such a good job at it. If I'm not mistaken, these sites are now getting more traffic thanks to the MPAA's helpful advertising. :) - moojuece, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6perhaps they just want to get more people using these sites, so they have more people to sue?
it's all marketing for their new business model. - phreakout, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6ISOhunt has stated that it will comply with the DCMA and the MPAA in taking down any copyrighted torrents. The problem is the MPAA is refusing to provide a list of copyrighted movies and is instead refers them to imdb.com:
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Mr. Oppenheimm,
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:12:13 -0500, Oppenheim, Matthew J wrote:
> Dear Mr. Fung:
>
> We are writing to follow up on our prior correspondence. As you know by
> now, we have filed suits against a number of significant BitTorrent
> operators. We continue this correspondence in the hope that we might
> resolve matters with you such that litigation is unnecessary.
Yes we are aware of your lawsuits. Despite the fact that I don't live in the US and the laws MPAA follows does not apply here, it is our intention to cooperate in resolving issues you have, in a reasonable fashion.
> As we have said repeatedly, a significant amount of copyright
> infringement is occurring as a result of your website and tracker.
> Apart from the knowledge you have by virtue of your day to day operation
> of the site and server, we have put you on notice that the infringement
> is occurring. The list of representative works that was attached to our
> notice letter was merely a sample of the infringement occurring on your
> site. We have requested that you stop the infringing conduct
> immediately. That you have automated the process of adding torrents to
> your website is not a defense. You have the ability to review torrents
> before posting them. You also have the ability to search your website
> and review the torrents that are already being distributed. There
> should be little doubt, for example, that "Ocean's Twelve" which is a
> torrent offered on your site is copyrighted and should not be
> distributed. A copyright holder is not obliged to monitor all the
> websites and the servers around the world to police and protect each and
> every work from those who would choose to close their eyes to ongoing
> infringement. It is incumbent on you to distribute only those torrents
> that correspond to files that you know are authorized to be distributed.
You repeatedly mention the "representative" list of works, which serves only to intimidate us as a search service. If you look at the Betamax vs. Universal case, the VCR was not deemed illegal since it is capable of legal use. isohunt.com is a content agnostic search service on indexing torrent links over the net, which is very much capable of legal use. While as a service we can filter content, and that is exactly how we cooperate by filtering identified copyrighted titles, we do not have the man power to manually verify the tens of thousands of torrent links, nor is it even technically possible without a complete list of copyrighted works to filter against. Since you seem to have trouble producing a complete list, a technical difficulty I can understand, you should also understand the same difficulty we have in making your copyrighted works magically disappear... somehow. So instead of calling it a complete list, which seems unfeasible, it should be referred to as a sufficient list. Without it, we cannot help you in filtering your works in our search results.
> Although you have suggested that you would like us to provide an index
> of copyrighted works to which you can refer regarding the torrents on
> your website, we simply do not find it credible that you are unable to
> identify as copyrighted material the many popular motion picture titles
> currently referenced on your website. To the extent you need further
> guidance, the United States Copyright Office maintains records of every
> motion picture and television program in the United States that has a
> copyright registration. Additionally, on-line databases provide
> information regarding who distributes motion pictures and television
> programs. You are already aware of at least one such source, the
> website imdb.com, to which you provide your users deep-links for motion
> pictures.
Read above. According to normal procedures of DMCA takedown, it is your responsibility to identify what maybe infringing your copyright, and then we will comply. Your notion that we should know every title MPAA owns, while you have difficulty producing such yourself, is absurd. Links to websites such as imdb.com is user submitted, while torrent links may be user submitted or indexed from other sources on the internet. We do not moderate this process, we don't have the resource to do so and it is not our policy.
> Finally, it continues to appear to be true that you have addressed the
> infringement of which we have put you on notice. Indeed, you have not
> removed those torrents that we specifically gave you notice. Your
> response that you should not have to undertake any action to address the
> ongoing infringement until we have agreed to the "arrangement" you have
> offered is not acceptable. You have an obligation to address the
> ongoing infringement. You may not offer less protection than we have a
> right to expect, and then condition that lesser protection on our
> agreeing that you should have to do nothing more.
It is not an arrangement, it is information necessary for us to cooperate. Unless filtering against your "representative" list is sufficient, which we then can use to filter to your satisfaction, please provide us with a list that is sufficient.
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Cheers,
Gary
isoHunt.com
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http://isohunt.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9273 - sud0n1m, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Ever since they started going after these guys, I keep thinking - oh *****, I better get my torrents from TPB now, or I better get my account on allofmp3.com topped up to download a bunch of music, or, I had better start using isohunt.com. The MPAA and RIAA have really gotten me motivated to use things I havent been using before. In economics, what I am feeling is due to scarcity. Nice one party poopers, you've just made every geek desire torrents more than they did before.
- afrazkhan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6
So, is it just me that keeps seeing "wii" every time they're actually reading the word "will"?
Perhaps wii underestimated Nintendo's marketing skills?
Wow, that was fairly off topic right there. - q3ctf4, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"MPAA Decides Not Enough People Know About ISOhunt
I didn't know about IsoHunt. It seems like a really good torrent site. I think I'm going to tell my friends too. Thank you MPAA! - wilsonics, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4The best part about isohunt.net is when it finds the same torrent on multiple trackers, it recreates the torrent info with all the trackers it found from all the sources on the net.
So, if it found freefile.jpg.torrent on tracker 1, 2, 3, and 4...it wouldn't list 4 separate listings...it adds the 4 tracker's info to the torrent to get all the seeds possible on the net. I really like this feature of isohunt...it makes for tons of seeds.
This makes isohunt, in my opinion, the best tracker on the net...i really hope they can dodge this MPAA bull. - threemagic, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Maybe the plan is for them to make these sites more popular? If they get so popular (say, like Napster was) then they will be able to lobby for laws restricting such usage a lot more easily.
- sagedude, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Out of curiosity, does anybody know if the MPAA have commented on the return of TPB yet?
- stealthrocket, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"I dispute that shutting these places down provides any advertising. It's not like this is news getting reported on CNN."
Actually... http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/internet/06/02/sweden.hacker.ap/index.html - iFindout, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8"MPAA Decides Not Enough People Know About ISOhunt"
Sure you're right. That's like the MPAA saying: "people that wank off don't know they're in the self service industry." - NanoStuff, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I've bookmarked the RIAA website to keep myself up-to-date on all the hot torrent/P2P sites I should visit that I might have missed.
- anorris, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?&range=3m&size=large&compare_sites=thepiratebay.org&y=r&url=mpaa.org
I wouldn't be so sure that the mpaa gets very many hits. This is a graph of the number of people per million visited each site over the last three months. Red = thepiratebay.org, blue = mpaa.org. I don't think the little MPAA traffic spike could account for anything of the Pirate Bay's massive traffic spike following the "shutdown" - nickj6282, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3This was the exact same thing that happened in 1998. I didn't know about Napster until I saw Lars Ulrich come on the news and start bitching about it. Before that newscast was over I had surfed on over and downloaded my first song. Thanks, Lars, for bitching up a storm and showing me the way to get free music!
This happens with so many different things. Look at Al Franken's book after Bill O'Reilly started bitching about it on Fox News. And I'm willing to bet a good portion of the DaVinci Code's viewers/readers were just doing so to see what all the fundamentalist fuss was about.
Alas the recording/motion picture industry may never realize what a double edged sword they are wielding here. Morons. - wonkerjaw, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This is all one step closer to the government turning ISPs into the bad guy… so the MPAA or whoever can put a name with an IP address.
- aplardi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Wow. I make a comment that doesn't support piracy, and it gets burried 51 feet.
>_>
Even if the laws are unfair, and content is overpriced, it is still illegal. - Xanin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3www.torrenttyphoon.com
- Bradl3y, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The MPAA boasted about shutting down the Pirate Bay on the front page of their website. I'm sure that website gets a lot of hits, that is definatly quite a bit of press.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2So the MPAA thinks all the movies listed on IMDB are their property? I bet the director of Swamp Zombies is pissed! http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0439309/
- LycoLoco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2torrentz.com - it searches most of those sites listed and most trackers on it are from torrents.prq.to
- merreborn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2They're talking about the cost to hollywood, not the cost to consumers.
Profit = revenue - cost
As such, there are two ways to increase profit: Increase revenue, or decrease cost.
So yes, hollywood wants movies to cost THEM less. - lpcustom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2That's is why you check how many seeds the torrent has before you get it.....
- OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2All this will prove is that the MPAA has no effect on piracy. Piracy rates will stay the same as they always have, despite all this FREE PUBLICITY pirate sites are getting as a result of the MPAA's antics. Piracy may increase, but it will be proportional to new consumers joining the market from emerging nations. There is nothing to worry about.
I know most of you know this, my point is that the MPAA and RIAA aren't going to last. They're fearmongers who exploit ignorance. I feel sorry for the people whose lives they've ruined. - joeshlub, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I'll be both impressed and disgusted if that is the case. I would deem it extremely unlikely, but imagine if it was...
Fortunately, they still aren't going to change anything outside of the US, even they even succeed here. It isn't as if Pirates Bay was underground before that raid. - envy860, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1For awhile I thought the MPAA wasn't as bad as the RIAA. With HDCP and such they are worse, but atleast they don't sue people (yet) very often. And the people/orginazations they do go after well.... their attacks are not successful and instead add publicity, probably causing an upturn in both piracy of movies AND music. Atleast they're bad at punishing. Hopefully the RIAA's power will soon be like this, and everythign they do is futile.
- the413bandit, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2it would be nice if the RIAA and MPAA stopped trying to piss everyone off and not get anything done than just letting people do whatever they want w/ what they legitimately buy. Example, I bought music on iTunes over the years, and i have the tendency to format my hard drives, or put in new hard drives, etc. etc. well, it turns out that I put my iTunes songs on "too many computers" and the file was basically rendered useless. so i lost about $15 worth of music (cause it was the earliest purchased music) luckily I ripped the copy protection off for a backup. so now every time i format my hard drive, get a new hard drive, or get a new computer i loose a little more of my paid music collection, but luckily i ripped the copy protection off, and this is just an example that shows DRM doesn't accomplish anything. DRM did nothing but piss me off, and it's not like i put the non-DRM'ed songs on any file-sharing network. and it shows that someone determined enough to pirate music will be able to do it regardless of the DRM.
I do believe artist should be paid, and I do want to support artist, but doing the things that the RIAA does nothing but piss off the people who actually pay for their music. - presto, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1http://torrent-finder.com/
^^^ Can't beat this site! Has ISOhunt as number 1! - Kazrog, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1There will never be an end or a slowdown to large-scale intellectual property piracy as long as the internet exists. And I couldn't be happier about it.
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