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If You Like "300," Are You Gay? The Issue of Homoeroticism in Heroic Films

slate.com — It's no surprise that the most serious and ambitious surf movies convey a traditional and heroic ethos. And it's probably no surprise that they sometimes share a peculiar fate with other films that offer idealized portraits of heroic masculinity, such as this year's 300 —the tendency to have clueless film critics misread them as "homoerotic."

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  • astrobrights, on 10/11/2007, -6/+50film critics often miss the entire point of a film. great article
    • sanman, on 10/11/2007, -24/+2I think the targetting of 300 as a supposedly gay flick, is mainly due to liberals wanting to mock "those macho male right-wingers" because liberals see the movie as a metaphor for vilifying Iran. According to some Leftists, anyone who likes 300 is a "macho male right-winger".
      • Elranzer, on 10/11/2007, -2/+11There's nothing "macho male" about being a right-winger, though. They're the ones shivering in cowardice that some big, bad Arab man is going to hurt them.
        • ferrofluid, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5"shivering" more likely due to suppressed homoerotic tendencies and the frustrated anticipation.
          Remember the people who sexual abused the brown skinned inmates of Abu Garib and Gitmo, dont tell me they didnt enjoy playing with their prisoners, the photos show the macho types (grinning and smiling) rather too keen to get close and personal.
          Openly gay people are more likely to be LIBERALS, years of social and political attacks do not make people Rethugs.
          Broad and (self) hating closet types are more likely to be Goppers, and the screaming religious hate mongers.
      • fantasticFlan, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10Sweeping statements about somewhere around half of America supported by "According to some Leftists...". You're talking out of your ass, man. According to every liberal I know who has seen it, 300 is a good movie.
      • Cameleopard, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1You do realize that Spartan warriors are known to have had sex with each other, right?
    • EBFoxbat, on 10/11/2007, -3/+4Oh I have an idea, I can make a simple statement that categorically sums up one of the most complex social interactions ever.
    • HBNDonut, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8Film critics talk crap is what they do.
    • spudnic, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7To be honest I think it's the author of the article who has mis-understood something, just because something is homoerotic doesn't mean that is the only reason people like it.
      Top Gun is incredibly homoerotic, I like Top Gun, but not BECAUSE it's homoerotic.

      Look at Harry Potter as an example, it's a children's series of books/films, some adults still like it, does that mean all the adults are secretly kids?
    • Drahkar, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2It boils down to this. Film Critics are morons. Don't accept their opinion on anything because they are usually wrong. See the movie yourself and decide for yourself. You'll be better for it. Sheep syndrome (The following of others blindly) is best cured by taking action of your own and making your own decisions.
  • michaelb1, on 10/11/2007, -8/+95Great article. I was starting to get annoyed by this premise as well.

    Just because movies show male bonding, arch enemies battling, exposed man flesh, DOES NOT MEAN ITS GAY!

    It means the critics that make those claims are gay.
    • Murdats, on 10/11/2007, -2/+10exactly, the only way this movie could be gay
      is if it was infact, gay porn.

      even having non explicit gay scenes would not make a movie gay, just as having non explicity lesbian scenes does not make a movie lesbian

      i think peoples problems with this movie is the fact that they are personally troubled by all the male flesh/bonding etc and are disturbingly appealed by it
    • resplence, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3I really don't want to be a dick or discriminatory or anything, and I know I will get dugg down for this, as it really does sounds like a jerkish thing to say. But have you guys ever noticed that most male film critics are gay - in the homosexual sense? No wonder they feel homoerotic vibes from that kind of movies, I feel heteroerotic vibes from movies with hot, topless women as well. Just sayin'...
    • Cerialthriller, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4its only gay if the dicks cross
    • HsoKinees, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3or the balls touch, right? XD
    • DatuPuti, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1fsck the critics. i don't let anyone tell me what movies to see or not to see.
  • Happy_Phantom, on 10/11/2007, -11/+154If loving 300 is wrong, I don't want to be right.
  • atdigg, on 10/11/2007, -11/+17For example I enjoyed Top Gun because of the action and the airplanes... I didn't even have a clue at that age that it was supposed to be a "movie for gays", once I heard that it kind of ruined it for me...

    BTW, what is funny is that Spartan did have institutionalized pederasty... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spartan_pederasty
    • CptCancer, on 10/11/2007, -6/+6Eight year-olds, dude.
      • atdigg, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3Oh, you got me, I'm more than eight years old...
        • CptCancer, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3No no no I wasn't calling you an eight year old. It was just that when you mention pederasty in your post it reminded me of... ah nevermind. I'm out of my element.
        • answer42, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5V.I. Lenin!

          Wow I think this is as deep in the new comment thing as I have ever gone. I feel like Im in a Jules Verne novel.
      • timhoffmann, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2I love you, but sooner or later, you're going to have to realize the fact that you're a god damn moron.
    • ferrofluid, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1We wont mention MAF54 and his cronys.
      Funny how ABCs chat records reveal a lot of past tense words used in it, not really mentioned much by the apologists.
  • 9Digits, on 10/11/2007, -14/+28Guys, this is kinda gay.
    • steelmaverick, on 10/11/2007, -4/+13Approx Number of Diggers: 1Million

      Approx Number of Diggers who like 300 or have commented "THIS IS SPARTA!!": 1Millon

      Therefore, all diggers are gay. Since there were ***** in the movie, we must all be bisexual. However, since we were only aroused by said *****, the straight cancels out the gay.

      Leaving all diggers completely straight. Of course, this number is not accurate, not all diggers are straight, just the ones that liked 300.
    • atdigg, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6Queen was pretty hot though...
  • bibfortuna, on 10/11/2007, -4/+48Now I know why I get a boner every time I see a decapitation.
  • setsuna, on 10/11/2007, -4/+30But Wait there where ***** in the movie !
    • diggitizer, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10And oh so very nice ones if you ask me. Especially since they were a well to do lady pair. I like 'em classy me.
    • mygrayarea, on 10/11/2007, -3/+13That was for the women.
    • VonHugenDong, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7Yeah, but they were on a 350 lb. guy with swords for arms.
      • tankdilla, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1And that guy was cool too!

        Cool and scary. Did Xerxes really have a swords-for-hands guy?
  • harvinator24, on 10/11/2007, -17/+8No i'm not gay for liking 300, now go back in your hole, were nobody will have to hear from you again.
  • Disease, on 10/11/2007, -5/+29And now sets in the homophobia.

    I guess you're gay too if you read comic books when you were younger because the superheroes all wore tights.

    *****.
  • fredy035, on 10/11/2007, -4/+7I wonder how many spartans were gay...
    • Sketchcast, on 10/11/2007, -2/+20Incidentally, all of them. Homosexual pedastry was institutionalized in Spartan culture.
      • an7agonist, on 10/11/2007, -3/+2That doesn't necessarily mean that they were gay. This were the rules...
        • BabyWookie, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1He is right. It's not gay is the balls don't touch.
    • PjsPjs, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6homosexuality and pederasty are unrelated.
      Boys were simply freer to be outside of the home than girls.
      Girls were always someone's property.

    • NeoNevermore, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Uhhh...300?
  • rstarr, on 10/11/2007, -3/+19http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/03/21
    • diggitizer, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2Beat me to it!

      Love that comic... wait, does that make me some sexually driven comicaphile? That explains the restraining order the PA guys have against me. And my hairy palms.

      Seriously though, of the four christened network traffic sources (slashdotted, *****, dugg and wanged) Penny Arcades is rather penis-focussed.

      Even rubbing it on gadgets. THey must read gizmodo then.
  • esourcemag, on 10/11/2007, -12/+6Dude, does this mean I'm gay? If this is the case, I'm going to need a new wardrobe and start listening to techno.

    Now who will I date... all the men around here are such losers.
  • Redemption289, on 10/11/2007, -11/+9I enjoy seeing ***** get ***** up. If thats gay... cool
    • blaaguuu, on 10/11/2007, -2/+25Well, taken literally... Yes, that makes you gay...
  • orp2000, on 10/11/2007, -10/+1All I know is...guys who like professional wrestling - gay and stupid.

    Oh, and Idiocracy is a very prescient movie.
  • gagan97, on 10/11/2007, -6/+1then MAN should like pink panther..
  • VodkaAvenger, on 10/11/2007, -5/+9Are you gay if you can find homoeroticism in anything? That should be the point of this article.

    (That said, I'm straight and wasn't a big fan of 300, fight sequences aside)
    • sephiroth965, on 10/11/2007, -3/+5No, if you didn't like 300 you're neither gay nor straight. You're obviously not a man. Go downtown and turn in your penis, buddy.
  • slickhare, on 10/11/2007, -7/+3I'm not scared to admit I was turned on by all the man-muscle on screen during 300. I mean the testosterone practically charges off the screen and dropkicks you in the face.
  • Gloogle, on 10/11/2007, -8/+9I taught all the 300 men looked hot, and I'm not gay.
    • Pic0, on 10/11/2007, -2/+17you thought they looked hot? that is pretty gay man
    • inspecality, on 10/11/2007, -5/+10You taught?

      I taught I saw a puddycat.

      I did! I did!
    • holygram, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8Oh yes you are.
  • jimmiss, on 10/11/2007, -4/+7"Manliest move ever. Could have used more pants."
    • resplence, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Funny thing is, if you see the original comics, the Spartans didn't even use speedos. Their only piece of clothing was that cape.
      • ferrofluid, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Giving the enemy something to grab hold and rip off, isnt the smartest thing...
        The Spartans met their match and lost their unbeatable reputation when they faced the Thracians I believe, face to face on the right flank.
        There was a program on the Spartans on the History channel, and explained how they were crafty and never normally faced the hard enemy flank, so walked off the battlefield mostly intact 99% of the times.
  • jeo77, on 10/11/2007, -7/+6Gay is the new Epic
  • Pic0, on 10/11/2007, -6/+15I liked 300 and I'm not gay.
  • agentx216, on 10/11/2007, -8/+34Maybe we are drawn to movies like 300 and Braveheart and the like because the new adults of today have been wussified. To take a quote from "Fight Club" we are men raised by our mothers. We are told to be sensitive. We are treated as girlfriends by women how have no interest in us. We have not skinned our knee on the playgroup without suing the playground and making sure all those rocks are replaced by foam...and then we aren't allowed to play there anymore for legal reasons. We like watching these movies because these are men who are both passionate and manly. Yes we can have feelings but as men we feel differently. We are inspired by these movies, which most of them are set in a period of time where men WERE men, because in between the blood and action we get to see what being a real man means. Fighting for our homes, for our families, for our rights is noble and true.

    Also...I was kinda thrown off about the surfing part. This guy needs to change his headline if he's only going to talk about it in the last 2 paragraphs.
    • Aggaman, on 10/11/2007, -3/+2People who are drawn to movies like 300 and Braveheart for these reasons need to grow up. Violence is a sexual substitute. What do you think that sticking a sword in another guy represents? Why do you think that the heroes of these films spend almost all their time in male company?

      It's because they are very very faggy. Movies about heterosexuality have men hanging out with women and screwing them. Sausage fests are implicitly gay. People only complain about this because they can't stand confronting their own homosexual tendencies. Watching these movies doesn't make you a homosexual, it just means that you likely have homosexual tendencies.

      It's one of the biggest jokes in history that movies about sexual relationships between men and women are supposed to be lame and gay, and movies about sweaty men who won't have anything to do with the chicks and are swinging penile substitutes at each other is not gay.'

      If you're watching 300, you're on the down low.
      • agentx216, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Well with movies like 300 and Braveheart, I'm afraid you are wrong. Both movies have men making love to their respective wives and being faithful to them. I think people who see swords as phallic need to re-examine there own tendencies. You see, since these movies are based on actual events and set in time specific eras swords are used to represent....swords. I may be wrong but I think you're trying to group people into these tendencies with you so you don't feel all alone. It's ok...I cry during some movies...I'll make you feel better if you want to be grouped in with people who aren't "all manly"
  • ken12012, on 10/11/2007, -6/+7This is blasphemy! This is madness!
    • Kragnerac, on 10/11/2007, -5/+2*deleted*
    • Kragnerac, on 10/11/2007, -5/+2*deleted*
    • joelito, on 10/11/2007, -6/+3No.
      THIS IS SPARTA!
    • pixelate, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5THIS... IS... FRUITY
    • HBNDonut, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8THIS IS CAKE TOWN!
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    • Klydethegreater, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1THIS IS MUSHROOM KINGDOM!
    • Cameleopard, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1There are way too many people from e/b/aums here.
  • inmatarian, on 10/11/2007, -2/+40I missed the part where the 300 spartans all had steamy sex with each other. I do seem to remember a lot of killing... So, if the homosexual community has something to do with killing persians, then wouldn't they have a lot more in common with the bush administration?
    • pianonotes1010, on 10/11/2007, -4/+2Should have seen "das parfum"
  • pyry, on 10/11/2007, -2/+60If you like 300 that has nothing to do with being gay. Now, if you like having sex with men on the other hand, that might mean something.
    • ZeRux, on 10/11/2007, -2/+7300 wasn't gay, but if it were historically accurate, it would be more gay than Brokeback Mountain - not only that Spartans fought naked, but also homosexuality was encouraged in thier society - you would fight more fiercely if you had your lover fighting alongside you.
      • Pikachelsea, on 10/11/2007, -7/+2That was ancient Greece you fool. Sparta was a military state, end of story.
      • Happy_Phantom, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1You are confusing Sparta with Thebes. In Thebes they had a special unit made up of exclusively of homosexual lovers called the "Sacred Band." It was this unit, forty spears wide and forty spears deep, which finally defeated the invincible Spartans at the battle of Leuctra in 371 BC.
        • pyry, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1The other issue is that that wasn't really considered "gay" in the same context that we would consider it gay. No one back then really identified based on their sexuality like people do today.
    • acdcfanbill, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2Spartans didn't fight naked.
      • benanzo, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4The Greeks bred whole armies of gay men because then they fought more ferociously - not for the cause, but for each other - and it worked. Look it up.
        • resplence, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2They were not actually "gay men", as we think of gay men today. It was more of a bromance thing, like "I'd die for you my brother". Not "wanna make out?".
  • bubbajosh, on 10/11/2007, -9/+4I love these sorts of articles because they display how ignorant our press is nowadays. I mean, I would've thought if you liked Brokeback Mountain you were gay. That would make more sense for an article such as this, IMO.
    • benanzo, on 10/11/2007, -3/+2I'm not gay, but I liked Brokeback Mountain. That just shows not only your ignorance, but most of hick America's.
  • NiGHTSChao, on 10/11/2007, -1/+18If you liked the Matrix, do you like tight-leather?
  • sirlancelot88, on 10/11/2007, -11/+3"Occidental, republican, military glory?"

    Are you kidding me? Sparta wasn't a republic, it was a monarchial, slave-owning society. Hordes of macho dunderheads went to see '300' because they secretly wish the return of this kind of lifestyle: where prosperous males command, and women, poor, and non-citizen men are to be subjugated.
    • bubbajosh, on 10/11/2007, -6/+0Is that really all that bad? Coz America could be Sparta.
    • inspecality, on 10/11/2007, -3/+4Women would oversee land when their husbands went away, and often owned businesses and such. Sparta was probably the leading country in the world in its time when it came to women's rights.
    • fantasticFlan, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1It wasn't "a monarchial, slave-owning society" in the movie, and we are talking about the movie here.
    • orlyfactor, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Subjugate me, sirlancelot, you big, strong, burly man you!
    • Happy_Phantom, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Why don't you look up Sparta in Wikipedia before you describe the Spartan form of government and culture?
  • bubbajosh, on 10/11/2007, -7/+0This is...SPARTA!
  • bitcloud, on 10/11/2007, -7/+17Once our generation get's over it's TV induced homophobia, we can look forward to true, valuable friendships and lifelong bonds with male and female friends alike...

    Hell, soon we'll probably be able to interact with kids again without fear of being labelled "pedophiles" and we'll maybe be able to avoid ***** up another generation who need healthy, natural contact with adult men.
    • benanzo, on 10/11/2007, -3/+2No one needs any kind of contact with any adult men except the Catholic clergy...they're fine.
    • PjsPjs, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Interact with kids again?
      Not in our life times.
      Too risky.
      Just say no.
    • futurebird, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2This is the first non-homophobic comment on this thread.
  • jezkah, on 10/11/2007, -2/+7You know someone is a damn fine writer when they make you want to watch Point Break again.
  • craftycorner, on 10/11/2007, -4/+1Bring on the Village People! /Snark
  • whatthefu, on 10/11/2007, -6/+3Liking 300 doesn't make you gay. It was a good movie. But costumes that have less clothing than actual Spartans wore is pretty ridiculous. It was, in ways, homoerotic, but the movie was still pretty masculine.
    • HBNDonut, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3it had MORE clothing than actual Spartan Armour.

      The real Spartans wore NOTHING but thier helmets and cape.
  • chubbybubba, on 10/11/2007, -4/+15I watched 300, and liked it. It never even occurred to me that it was 'gay' or for gay people or whatever.... Maybe if a person watches a movie and then questions their sexuality... maybe that means you really are trying to tell yourself you indeed are gay. And theres nothing wrong with that.
    • futurebird, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3As if being gay were a fate worse than death!
  • silverwolfe, on 10/11/2007, -7/+22I am gay and 300 was a great action flick.
    • benanzo, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6I felt like a vagina when that movie was over. Not like I wanted *some* vagina, but that I *was* a vagina. I live such a nerf life compared to them. I need to be an ancient Greek soldier ASAP. My girlfriend noticed my inferiority immediately after seeing that movie.
  • sirlancelot88, on 10/11/2007, -10/+5@ agentx216

    You say big things now, but lets see you not ***** your pants when you actually have to fight a real enemy. Here's a tip: throughout history, most men were peasants and farmers. This "glory and fighting" ***** is a product of Hollywood. Most often, "fighting men" such as knights were uncouth bullies, not chivalrous men in shining armor. They had codes of chivalry for sure, but those codes often applied only to fellow nobles. Anyone else was fair game for rape, or murder.
  • diggitizer, on 10/11/2007, -5/+4So homoerotic applies to any masculine representation. Does that mean gay people are just sick and ***** tired of getting chatted up by other gay people? Is the ideal partner for a gay person a straight person?

    Oh wait, I forgot, the article was debunking the myth entirely, and well done. Good article.

    Messenger: A thousand nations of the Persian empire descend upon you. Our arrows will blot out the sun!
    Stelios: Then we will fight in the shade.
  • anti_hax0r, on 10/11/2007, -9/+5You guys know that they were all gay couples...they fought to the death for each other.

    Now watching something that will make you gay is just silly. If you watch it and get horny, you're just a latent homosexual -- you might come out after your kids have all gone to college, you find you find your wife disgusting, and can be man enough to admit it to yourself.
  • Osjpr, on 10/11/2007, -4/+28It shows how abnormal our culture is. If you see graceful, beautiful men, that is somehow automatically 'gay'. Ask yourself, who, exactly, is threatened by displays of male companionship and bonding? Could this be something to do with women and feminists? Ie. "How dare men develop close friendships with other men!"

    After I wrote this I read sirlancelot88s comment above. Ding! I think I'm right.
    • Osjpr, on 10/11/2007, -5/+2Another comment is: "Sarah Silverman was spot on. It was gay as hell." Sarah is a woman's name.
      • mos6507, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Apparently men also aren't allowed to hold hands with their daughters either. How long before they have to put on burqas and be chaparoned around town by women?
    • futurebird, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1"Could this be something to do with women and feminists?" No. Feminists, like me are quite upset that sensitivity and bonding between men is called "gay" for no reason. We are also upset that "gay" is used like some kind of insult. You should find out more about feminism, before you talk it down.
      • resplence, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I think you meant he should find out more about feminists like you. Feminists as a whole, on the other hand, are pretty much like that.
  • Sexton65, on 10/11/2007, -7/+2Of course liking 300 doesn't mean you're gay. It just means you like bad films.
  • dyingtimes, on 10/11/2007, -8/+1The thing thats wrong with 300 is that female didn't play the dominate role. Now if roles were switched... we'd be seeing a new box office hit record. That's sexism for you.
  • Kingfisherx, on 10/11/2007, -3/+44Guys who are straight don't view the male anatomy as sexual, we view it as a biological machine with specific uses. This was why "300" was considered bad-ass by "straight" guys, because it was the male form being used in it's most primordial essence. Hunting and gathering, having sex with the wife, and being a physical warrior / protector (the use of ones own hands not guns). The last is a reflection of our more animal self which has been disconnected in today's society. Our human nature still craves this type of conflict, (which is why sports is a beloved past time the world over) especially since we've moved to types of warfare that puts the violence in the hands of machines. I'm not advocating violence as a good thing, but it is part of our nature and we have I guess a respect for the honorable and skilled warrior. Especially those who can triumph with as little technology as possible.
    • VitriolAndAngst, on 10/11/2007, -10/+0Men who obsess over doing manly primordial things in the woods with other men -- extremely gay.

      Watch Broke Back Mountain sometime -- they exposed you hunters who come back with no deer and grass stains on your back. We all know the secret now.

      It's OK, you don't have to kill and grunt and dominate things anymore.

      "
      I'm not advocating violence as a good thing, but it is part of our nature and we have I guess a respect for the honorable and skilled warrior. Especially those who can triumph with as little technology as possible
      "
      >> Hey, I like that too, in the comic books. I've played football. The people who become adults and still think there is anything wonderful about any sort of war? Wanna-bes who plan strategies based on comic books.
  • schrutefan, on 10/11/2007, -12/+6300 = boring sausagefest.
  • alien420, on 10/11/2007, -13/+4when deciding a name for the movie, they rated it on a scale of 1-10 on how gay it was.
  • alien420, on 10/11/2007, -15/+5when decing a name for the movie, they rated it on a scale of 1-10 on how gay it was, and came up with "300"
  • benjpw, on 10/11/2007, -8/+2I mean... lets be honest... Leonodias did not need THAT MUCH body oil... it was a little gay.
  • Takuza, on 10/11/2007, -7/+1Its a feeling called "GAR" people. look it up
  • omnithought, on 10/11/2007, -8/+1THIS IS SPARTACUS!!!!
  • washboard, on 10/11/2007, -3/+1I think these sorts of films are more about homosocial relations than homosexual relations. However, there are many similarities between the two and i suppose it is easy to see why some can confuse the two. But this issue can really be traced to the beginning o times to all buddy movies, or even female equivalents such as the favorite Gentlemen Prefer Blondes
  • cosmicr, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1cut. print. gay.
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