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- inactive, on 12/12/2008, -1/+14How about old silent films, some are in pretty poor quality and you can only touch them up so much - it can easily get to the point where a movie is more computer generated/enhanced than original.
- cuoops, on 12/14/2008, -0/+12Consider, for instance, that the uncompressed digital master of a typical Hollywood movie requires 5 to 15 terabytes of storage space. To fit it onto a Blu-ray disc, it is compressed by 100 times or more to 50 gigabytes. For distribution over an HD rental download service, it is reduced to 6 gigabytes or less. Yet all of these versions of the same movie are considered hi-def.
- Lunarbunny, on 12/14/2008, -0/+11What's this ***** about lossless compression not existing? I understand that lossless is likely too big for the medium, but still, they say it as if it doesn't exist at all.
- JerodSlay, on 12/14/2008, -0/+11dugg for the page 3 photo of the 700TB computer room.
- roessnakhan, on 12/14/2008, -0/+10I welcome restorations - Criterion does a wonderful job. But let them do no more than restoring them. I am glad that colorizing movies has fallen out of style. To quote Orson Welles, "Keep Ted Turner and his god damned Crayolas away from my movie."
- inactive, on 12/14/2008, -0/+9"They are considered hi def because of the current standard; 1080i/p. Hence, HDTVs will go up to 1080i/p, so there is no need to have a uncompressed digital master of a movie, it would be overkill for the current standard."
That is absolute *****. Resolution and interlacing have nothing to do with compression. An uncompressed 1080 signal looks far superior to today's heavily compressed garbage, especially when there's movement or major changes in the image.
In fact, it's the LACK of a coherent standard that allows fraudulent claims of "HD" to run rampant. There are metrics developed by Sarnoff Labs and others to quantify the image degradation caused by compression, and they should have been used to inform the public of just how bad things have gotten. - palehorse864, on 12/14/2008, -2/+10As far as film grain goes, I would prefer it gone if they can do it without compromising the actual details of the shot, and if the director was not using the grain as an artistic aspect of his film. For some directors, it may have just been a side effect of the medium, not intended, but not avoidable either. TThe expense of low grain medium like 70mm may also factor
In the case where a director used it for style, leave the full grain. If it's just a side effect though, clean it up.
For me, excessive grain can be a bit like watching the movie through a screen door to some degree. That's an exaggeration, but it is an extra layer between me and full immersion in the film. I've seen some very nice 70mm shots with no noticeable grain in the theater and the effect was incredible. I felt like I was drawn right into the film. It's too bad we can't feasibly have both. My ideal picture would be original aspect ratio with the clearest picture possible and the highest detail. - haydesigner, on 12/14/2008, -3/+10No, what we are asking for is to have NOT have dialogue that is at 75 dB, and then have music and/or explosions jump out at 120dB.
I exaggerate, but only slightly. - TheWittyMan, on 12/14/2008, -1/+8Very interesting article. I for one welcome our classic films in high definition. I watched 2001 in HD and it looked absolutely fantastic.
...though I still eagerly await the day they transfer The Lord of the Rings to Bluray. Watching the battle of Minas Tirith in high def? *orgasm* - TheMongo, on 12/14/2008, -2/+9I wish they'd actually re-mix the audio and normalize the volume levels so you can actually watch a movie when your closest neighbor is less than 4 miles away ...
- inactive, on 12/14/2008, -1/+7NO. What you're asking for is dynamic compression, which has already destroyed every piece of popular music mastered since the mid-'90s and is now destroying entire back catalogs. Soon there will be no music left that represents how good a recording can sound. It's pathetic and pointless, this moronic drive to make things sound "louder."
If you want the dynamic range to be compressed, this should be done AS AN OPTION BY THE PLAYBACK DEVICE, as it should have been (and occasionally was) for music. In fact, if you dig through your DVD player's setup menus, you may find audio-dynamic-compression options. You will definitely find it on Motorola cable boxes.
Let's not call for the permanent destruction of precious media just for an occasional situation that can be addressed on the fly and temporarily. - inactive, on 12/14/2008, -0/+5Im still on HD-DVD because its cheap :D
- houndeyex, on 12/14/2008, -0/+5Nosferatu?
- Menoats, on 12/14/2008, -0/+4I am glad I am not the only one who dislikes grain, to me it just seems like there was sand on the film. Although if it was an effect put in I'd keep it. I don't understand Steven Spielberg keeping the grain purposely though.
- filovirus, on 12/14/2008, -0/+4I want to see what they can do with old TV shows that were shot on film, like The X-Files. I wonder if they shot it in 16:9 and panned it down in post or directly with 4:3 cameras. It would be really cool to re-experience some older shows in HD, even if in 4:3 AR.
- A11YND, on 12/14/2008, -0/+3I want to see Metropolis fully restored and remastered in Glorious 1080.
- inactive, on 12/14/2008, -0/+3Great film, it was actually the first silent film I sat through in its entirety a few years back.
- theclaw1, on 12/14/2008, -0/+3Original grain is alright. But NO to digitally adding it to a movie that had little or none on the master.
- EtherGnat, on 12/14/2008, -0/+3But for the love of god keep the original aspect ratio. Don't butcher it and convert 4:3 source to 16:9 just because you think that's what people want. That's no better than releasing "full screen" versions of wide aspect films. The original artistic intent of the director should always be maintained.
- LilRabbitFooFoo, on 12/15/2008, -0/+2You have been found in violation of every rule of the English language. Please stop posting. Thank you.
- EtherGnat, on 12/14/2008, -0/+2No joke. I just ordered another 10 HD-DVDs for $55 shipped Friday. I have a Blu-ray player, but until the prices on movies come down I'll happily settle for renting.
- pin0chet, on 12/14/2008, -0/+2Lossless 1080p video for consumer use is more than a few years away. Lossy video at a sufficiently high bitrate--such as the 54mbps Blu-Ray max--really is impossible to distinguish from lossless, anyway.
- palehorse864, on 12/14/2008, -1/+3Directors like Spielberg are probably in some way nostalgic. Grain looks like the movies they made and watch so they get nostalgic. In some ways, this could be a plus for Spielberg. We saw what we got with his friend Lucas and the Star Wars edits.
Still, removing grain is hardly making Greedo shoot first. In fact, some of Lucas' changes were actually cool and I wish we could get a version of the original print with minor clean ups. Brighter light sabers, the blurry blob below the land speeder removed, etc. but without any weird additions like extra characters in Mos Eisley. - LilRabbitFooFoo, on 12/15/2008, -0/+2...and 5 to 15 terabytes costs only $500-$1500 per movie now...CHUMP CHANGE for Hollywood.
- GeeksSpeakFont, on 12/12/2008, -2/+4awesome! i love old movies! one of my favorites: ball of fire! it's hilarious!
- antdude, on 12/14/2008, -0/+2But no new releases like TDK.
- Duvali, on 12/14/2008, -1/+2can't wait for "the good the bad and the ugly".
- inactive, on 12/14/2008, -1/+2They turned them into "digital" masterpieces with DVD.
- Menoats, on 12/14/2008, -0/+1I was expecting more of a detailed process than this, but not bad.
- EtherGnat, on 12/14/2008, -0/+1No, the discs themselves should match the theater experience as closely as possible. Decent receivers are perfectly capable on normalizing audio on their own. My Denon has three levels of compression that work great.
- palehorse864, on 12/14/2008, -0/+1Boxing Cats?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k52pLvVmmkU&fea ...
Fred Ott sneezing FTW!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PaJ1r0udvQ
Top THAT! - JerodSlay, on 12/14/2008, -1/+2Compression and resolution have a lot to do with each other given disk/file size limitations.
- antdude, on 12/14/2008, -0/+1http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/upgrade ... for one print page (will prompt printer dialog box to come up).
- nibkey, on 12/14/2008, -1/+2I think that wih some like Metropolis, a Critereon like SD DVD release through a good upscaler will be excellent already, due to the source material being cleaned up as best they can already. I would however be interested to see if BR does add much.
- specialK16, on 12/14/2008, -0/+1Wait, wtf? Resolution have nothing to do with compression!?? They are not inclusive but they aren't mutually exclusive either.
Ok, since people are digging you up I am officially confused. - inactive, on 12/14/2008, -0/+1great article!
- nibkey, on 12/14/2008, -0/+1yup, as is A Few Dollars More. The Eastwood westerns will be near the top of any classics schedule I'd have thought.
- NnyCW, on 12/14/2008, -0/+1I never got around to watching that film for whatever reason, then when I was about to check it out, Wikipedia said they had found the original cut running around 210 minutes. Seems like it's hitting Blu-ray and DVD sometime in 2009...might as well see how much an improvement can be made on those old films while finally seeing the movie (at the rediscovered original length no less).
...I completely forgot about all of this, and to look into the approximate release, until your mention of it. So, thanks. - carbonfilament, on 12/15/2008, -0/+0I for one would not buy doctored versions that removed film grain from original shoots, or "corrected" "mistakes". Its a part of the art, the quality of the film stock is as much a part of the composition of the movie as are the vehicles and clothing in the movie. Just a personal preference, but then I usually prefer theatrical releases to directors cuts as well.
- antdude, on 12/14/2008, -1/+1How much better can you get with these very old movies from DVD to HD/BR?
- nibkey, on 12/14/2008, -1/+1On my HD projector this will be fantastic, a chance to see some classics as close to cinematically as I'll get. Hope for some Marx Bros and some original Noir. Some of the HDTV rips of the Hitchcock classics are a joy to watch again in such clarity.
Please include Barry Lydon! (I know it's not like black and white old but still it is one of the most beautiful films ever to grace celluloid) - partymachine, on 02/28/2009, -0/+0great information. fun stuff.
- inactive, on 12/14/2008, -1/+1already out in blu-ray I think.
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- nigdef, on 12/14/2008, -2/+1Yet if the sales of HDTV sets are any indicator (47 percent of American households now own one), there is considerable consumer interest in hi-def, ***** it's called keeping up with the jones's most punters wouldn't have a clue or that matter give a *****.it's alll about besting there neighbor/sibling.
guy i work with bought a cinema surround system,spent about £150 to plug into his cheap dvd player which he runs into a "52" lcd so he can watch his pirated copy's of star wars he bought from a bloke in a pub....he can't grasp the concept of why his £5 copy of the matrix just disnea look as good s it did in the store when he bought his t.v or why he can't hear all his speakers going off on one.people don't care about HD outside of nerds, the only reason it has taken off, well in the uk any way. was that we were forced into it as you can no longer buy anything but lcd HD ready blah blah from stores anyway.and as a movie fan with more than 3000 dvds in a ever growing collection i don't care i just want a fair priced format that looks good and i don't get ripped off when buying it (hence ***** blu-ray) why are movies still comng on multiple discs in bluray. it's a rip off people wake up, they will remaster star wars AGAIN and like loser sheep you will all run out and buy what will probably be a 6 disc bluray set?. don't believe the HYPE. -
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