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- dunezone, on 10/12/2007, -6/+65No kidding, when Lucas redid the original Star Wars films he was just adding random scenes and random CGI characters that didn't improve the movie at all, like a kid in photoshop who just discovered the sun flare filter.
- drvelocity, on 10/12/2007, -7/+59Yeah I hate to say it, but Lucas is going crazy based on what most non-diehard fans thought about his latest Star Wars offerings. The guy is too rich, too fat.. he just doesn't have the creative hunger that most creative types need. I'm officially writing off this Indiana Jones as a probable disappointment.
- kob2040, on 10/12/2007, -3/+43yeah but the script was about investigating UFOs ? this is indy not the freakin' x files.
+1 for george - Mootabolife, on 10/12/2007, -8/+33Indy would have been investingating UFOs.. ***** UFOs.. No nazis or mystical powers around.. George maybe right this time.
- insomniacal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+18The article says there was a rumor that Darabont's script had Indy investigating UFOs. Not your traditional Raiders crusade there. I wonder how true that rumor is. Either way, mixing Indy and ET would be too much of a Spielberg nostalgia trip.
I don't have high hopes for Indy 4, and here's why. Everyone agrees Indy 1 was brilliant. So do I. Then Temple of Doom was too ... well, geographically stuck, and cultishy weird. Indy 3 was an improvement: back to the Nazis and supernatural Jewish archaeology! It worked once, it worked again. But the Sean Connery fatherhood addition, although humorous, was both too comical and too personal for the Indy saga to bear. Indy 3 was not nearly as good as Indy 1. Remove Indy's father, and it might have had a chance.
Now we know Shia's been tapped for Indy's son. Hmm ...
What we see happening here is Lucas and Spielberg envisioning themselves in Indy's shoes. With Indy 3, they explored their own odd relationships with their fathers as they became more competent than their fathers, who nevertheless retained a slight edge in wisdom and experience. Lucas and Spielberg might have found it meaningful to explore this predicament in Indy's shoes, but the rest of us, not so much.
With Shia, Lucas and Spielberg will be running a circle of life motif. First Sean Connery was the doddering old fool ... now Indy will be. Shia will begin to eclipse Indy in competence, but the old man Indy will still have a few tricks for his son to pick up on. Expect Shia to have an academic edge over Indy, just as Connery did (it'll skip a generation in order to preserve that dichotomy). And expect Shia to be named Abner -- since he'll be Marian's son (one way to connect back to the success of Indy 1).
But the trouble is, the Indiana Jones saga wasn't crafted to explore family relationships. It was crafted to echo old Saturday adventure matinees. Indy 4 will be fun, but it'll fall short of the high mark set by Indy 1 in terms of being the very best a genre has to offer.
Indy 1 was fantastic. At least we can all thank Lucas and Spielberg for that. - Gustomucho, on 10/12/2007, -5/+20"Darabont, who also worked on The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles"
Thank god... he is not working on Indiana Jones 4. - Neiby, on 10/12/2007, -4/+18Well, I guess I have a ***** taste in movies because those two are two of my all-time favorites. In fact, The Shawshank Redemption might be my favorite movie, period.
- sjbdallas, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Maybe he can find Atlantis?
- maexus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10The script needed giant robot spiders
- orientis, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11I'd be bitter if I wrote a killer script and then the man responsible for Star Wars 1-3 said he didn't like it. Especially if Spielberg was already cool with it. Lucas has totally lost it. It.
- RDurfee, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9@orientis -- Maybe they weren't realistic, but they fit in the Indy universe. A story about UFOs does not.
- goblindegook, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Oddly enough, UFOs would be more appropriate to nazis than any other group. One only has to look at all the ***** insane research they did, the Vril Society and whatnot, and the script practically writes itself.
- cyberdork, on 10/12/2007, -7/+13So what do you consider best movies of all time? "Lord of the Rings"?
- Goldspink, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I think he should put the script online so we can review it for ourselves.
- Asianwaste, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8I've always thought the 4th movie would be post WWII plot. Like maybe how the USSR seized and continued off of all of the archeological research the nazis started. Now given, that's not the best idea, but UFO's?
- TDot1980, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Wow - I don't think there were enough pop-ups, adsense and those annoying INTELLITXT ads on that piece of ***** blog.
- EviLiu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I doubt he would be chasing flying saucers. It could be written to fit Indy just fine. It could be an ancient magical artifact that the locals believe came from mars. Maybe in the end, there's a twist where it may or may not be from earth. And it may or may not have created life on earth for example. You guys are too closed minded and stuffy.
- venom8599, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"Well I like Lucas and his writing."
How the hell can you like his writing? All of his dialog makes it sound like the characters are either total idiots, or pompous asses. George Lucas should never write any movie again. For proof, just pay attention to the dialog in Star Wars Episodes I,II, and III. - ziffel, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6"Were supposed to listen to a guy who has directed movies adaptations of Stephen king novels?"
Shawshank Redemption just happened to be one of those adaptations. It's considered one of the greatest films of all time. Me, I'll trust the word of Darabont and Spielberg over George Lucas any day. - grve, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4indy and the fate of atlantis, that'd rule and those dildos wont even consider it :)
- bradmiska, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I really wanted to see the search for Atlantis!
- Asianwaste, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3A younger cast? Nah! I'd rather see Harrison Ford reprise his role as maybe an older, wiser, on the fringe of retirement Indy. Perhaps as a lead in to a new younger cast, but as new younger characters... wait, that last part was pretty lame.
- SuperSloth, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"scrupulous"
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. - DeucesWild, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Actually the Nazi's did a lot of research on flying disks and thats part of why all of the sightings really started in the 50's. Look up the Miethe flying disk or Schriever, Habermohl. I would have loved Darabont's story if thats the case!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I can't say much for "The Green Mile," but "The Shawshank Redemption" was -- for lack of a better phrase - THE *****! (If you've seen it you'll get my reference.)
Go Morgan Freeman and his awesome narrative voiceover style! - nixfu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Indy discovered that the Pyramids were actually Alien landing pads, and that there were these big ring things.........
- o0joshua0o, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4UFOs interacted with alien civiliations (according to some), and Indy's an archeologist. He could have unearthed some ancient alien technology or something.
- Roger, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Rodriguez is the opposite, his writing isn't that good.
Once Upon a Time in Mexico is the perfect example of that (and Desperado to a lesser degree).
Great looking and stylish movie, but a confusing and almost nonexistent plot. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2No ***** Lucas is stubborn. The whole world told him that Episode 1 was ***** and he still went ahead and made 2 and 3 in the same sort of style and what do you know....*****.
- sjbdallas, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6agreed. if it was really about UFOs then GL was right. Honestly, i'm not sure where Indy4 can go unless it's to hand off to a younger cast for another series of movies. The plot of Indy3 would have been a good one to do that if Ford were playing in Connery's part and a new Indy was there.
If they're going to stick with the Nazi angle, watch out for Castle Wolfenstien type of plot. - sonofalink, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"So if it's between Green Mile vs. Revenge of the Sith, I'll take ROTS."
Seriously? I don't care when it was made, I'd take just about any movie over ROTS.
And don't blame the actors, blame the director. Yeah, maybe they should have taken more ownership of their roles, but when it comes down to it Lucas just can't direct people to save his life. - robdiggity, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3http://imdb.com/chart/top
Hundreds of thousands of cinemaphiles agree that Shawshank is the #2 movie of all time.
Not saying I agree, just tossing up some verifiable data for you all. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2.... and the rings transport indy to a galaxy far far away , where Harrison Ford plays all the characters and aliens always shoot first
- popothebright, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I read part of Darabont's early script. It was great, but not very Indy. Darabont knows how to write, but Lucas knows his brands. The feeling (I assume) was that audiences want crumbling temples, biblical references and bizarre primitive cults. I wouldn't call Lucas wrong here. (And I typically belong to the camp of "Lucas has lost his edge").
- ElGuano, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Well, now we'll never know.
- o0joshua0o, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"I don't blame the writing for the prequel trilogy, I blame the actors"
"And don't blame the actors, blame the director."
It wasn't the acting or the directing. I'm telling you, it was the dialogue. It was some of the most stilted, insipid dialogue I've heard in ages. No actor could make that stuff sound good. - PleaseJustDie, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I gotta go with GL on this one.
It wouldn't be Indy if there wasn't some crazy mystical object and a crazed cult or nazi's trying to get it.
UFO's in the 50's... No way. - AoSDFA, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Ripping off two quotes from somebody else's article and pretending it's another story entirely doesn't count as real reporting, even for a blog.
Here's the original story:
http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1557263/20070416/story.jhtml
Which not only touches on Indiana Jones but also Farenheit 451 and other projects of interest. - sdbytnar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"I would guess you've never tried writing a screenplay."
No, I haven't, but I know that writing original material is significantly more difficult than adapting material. So again I will ask, What ORIGINAL work has he done? I thought it was a simple question the first time I asked, guess I was wrong. - phimu227, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2no time for love dr. jones
- LittlemanTAMU, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1So did I! I loved that game. I was young at the time, but the story fit the Indy "universe" pretty well. I might have to dig up my copy and check it out again.
- mweflen, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5I have to agree. Saying "Shawshank" and "Green Mile" are some of the Best movies of ALL TIME" is like saying the latest Grisham novel is one of the seminal works of literature in human history.
They may be good, they may not, but they're certainly not generally acknowledged "Best of All Time" material. - awhite2600, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I agree with you. I was thinking along the same lines.
Indy wouldn't be chasing UFOs themselves, but an artifact left on earth by extraterrestrials thousands of years ago. Perhaps there is some long buried settlement where aliens first helped ancient humans start to use technology. Indy could be looking to uncover the city or something to prove that UFOs visited thousands of years ago. It would make a great story and could be kept very "Indy like".
Spielberg is normally good at picking compelling stories. If the Darabont script was crappy then Spielberg wouldn't have liked it either. - superalamar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1slightly off topic, but fight club is the best book to screenplay to movie conversion i think we will ever see.
- Pooball, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1UFOs sound terrible. But we have to keep in mind that INDY 4 will most likely take place in the 50s (Raiders + 15ish years for Shyla?). Indy needs a new bag, since Nazis are no longer a real problem. Korean War? Nah.
Darabont is a great writer, but is most known for adapting. Most career writers in L.A. that have a name are often paid to write spec scripts, or do drafts of stories that may never see the light of day. For some big budget flicks, studio heads pick five or six writers, pay them well to keep quiet - and assemble the best parts from all the scripts to one writer who combines them all. Then he gets credit. Other writers then sit on hush money. Darabont has done this quite a few times - and they never show the credit on IMDb so don't bother looking it up.
Let's not forget that Darabont was also supposed to have written Star Wars episodes II and III, before Lucas needed a little redemption. As you may recall, Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi were both written by other screenwriters, adapting Lucas' basic story (Larry Kasdan being one, who also worked on the Indy series). This time around the story wasn't even done by Lucas, but apparently written by someone else (Jeff Nathanson of the Rush Hour series, and the gem Speed 2: Cruise Control). They've also picked David Koepp to pen the script, whom I personally hate. His characters are utterly dictated by plo, and he's admitted it.
I really really hope it doesn't suck.
. - grifforama, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Ray Winstone has been cast in the film.
It will be *****. - jkoski, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'm sure that's a major concern for him when he's rolling around in his money bin.
They're his movies, he paid for them himself and he doesn't give a ***** about what anyone thinks. It must be nice to be able to pull that off with the studios these days. - watership, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Frank Darabont has written (and directed) some of the best movies of all time: The Shawshank Redemption and The Green Mile."
Boom! Way to take the credibility out of the article with hyberbole. Sure Shawshank redemption is highly rated on IMDB. That's because when IMDB was exploding on the internet as the one true source of movie info in 1995, Shawshank was released on home video. It was all the range for the new youthful internet crowd. It's a good movie. Its probably the best movie ever made if your were a 18 year old who's first foray into movies was Critters 3 and late night movies featuring Chitty Chitty Bang Bang.
THAT SAID... Frank is great Lucas-fostered Filmmaker.
- Chubs879, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1One writer's opinion isn't going to stop me from seeing Indy Four. Espeacilly when it's something as subjective as writing. For example: Harrison Ford was the third choice for his critically praised role in Patriot Games. Tom Clancy, the author of the novel, hated the idea of having Ford in that role. Obviously, it turned out for the better. And again, Alan Moore wanted nothing to do with the film version of V for Vendetta, and that is one of my favorite movies of all time (brilliantly adapted for contemporary times).
I'm not saying these writers opinions don't count, or are less valuable because I disagree with them. It's as simple as this: writing is subjective, and I'm not going to let one opinion ruin something I'm looking forward to. - jkoski, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You sir, are my hero for the day.
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