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- crimsonnblue, on 12/27/2007, -13/+104Now this is a step in the right direction...
- inactive, on 12/27/2007, -15/+97***** the MPAA: Mission Accomplished
- dungbeetle, on 12/27/2007, -7/+77Alas, it is untrue:
(Update: According to Gizmodo, the files won't be ripped from the DVD; instead, Fox will include iTunes-formatted versions of the movie on the disc.) - jlgolson, on 12/27/2007, -4/+62But what's the difference to the end-user? That just means it'll get copied faster. It'll have DRM, sure, but you buy one copy of the DVD and you can play it on your TV, computer, and iPhone.
- suprememilo, on 12/27/2007, -11/+63Finally a small step in the right direction for what we can do with our media. . .
in other news, goooooooo Apple Stock! - JeffreyLloyd, on 12/27/2007, -0/+37"The copy protection on DVDs was cracked long ago, but it's still not easy for the average consumer to copy a disc and transfer it to iTunes."
http://handbrake.m0k.org/?article=download - Chirp08, on 12/27/2007, -2/+34who cares, saves me an hour of encoding, gaurentees quality, and you know there will be a program to strip any DRM from it in no time.. sounds like win win..
- conkers209, on 12/27/2007, -4/+29It's about time someone in hollywood is wising up and letting the people that buys DVD's to let them do what they want to.
- djphatjive, on 12/27/2007, -3/+23For only 9.99 you can rip your DVD movie to Itunes.
- joeyjojo, on 12/27/2007, -1/+20Sort of, but let's not give them too much credit. You bought the DVD, you should be able to watch it on any device you own.
- chris9902, on 12/27/2007, -9/+28so you can now rip it using Apple's iTunes onto your Apple iPod using Apple's DRM.
anyone else see the problem here? - Rassa, on 12/27/2007, -2/+20Sorry MPAA and Fox. I will rip DVD I buy no matter what you say or think as long as I can buy them. I still think they are MINE to use how I feel fit. (ripping to backup/portable media.) Just because I rip doesn't mean im a crimal that is going to upload the content or give it away to friends. Guilty until proven innocent! This isn't a "step in the right direction..." They still are greedy bastards that can't figure out DRM only hurts those that purchase movies. Make this harder and harder and this "only do it our way or no way" thinking I will stop buying your products and just pirate em. DVD sales are down, maybe you guys should look in the mirror.
Maybe you should start calling it rentals you don't have to return. Software and digital media is not going to be owned. You will pay for the privilege to use it. Mess with that privilege doing something the don't like they yank your "right" to use the product while laughing to the bank with your rental money. - Linh, on 12/27/2007, -5/+22it's still better than nothing... for now. at least to the casual user. Do you really think the MPAA is ready to just release movies non-DRM'd? Most people just watch a movie once, and that's it. At least with music, there's far more replay value.
- rootnik, on 12/27/2007, -2/+15News like this makes me want to actually buy a DVD.
- matrox212, on 12/27/2007, -1/+13The MPAA works for companies like Fox who support their legal efforts. If Fox doesn't care about people ripping DVD's to iPods, the MPAA probably doesn't care either.
- wild, on 12/27/2007, -2/+14Well, I have a Mac, so I am left out of Netflix and other online rental services. But You don't see me off bitching about that,
This is a step forward for everyone. Just the idea that studios would let you have a copy for computer is a huge leap. - dungbeetle, on 12/27/2007, -6/+17It's a little better but its still not acceptable. I should be able to rip my DVD to any (not just ipods) device I want. I don't want an ipod, nor do I plan on getting one, so I'm left out of this little deal.
- Amplix, on 12/27/2007, -1/+10Hey chill out buddy, I'm sure there was some compromise Apple and Fox had to agree with to make it to this point. It IS a step in the right direction, patience.
- FredFredrickson, on 12/27/2007, -4/+13So Apple signs a deal with a major movie publisher, giving them the exclusive right to formats and devices for their movies, and you guys are applauding this?
Last time I checked, the fight against DRM was for the ability to be able to use any movie or song you bought on ANY DEVICE. Not just in one format (AAC) and not just on one company's devices (iPhone, iPod, etc.). This would be like the MIAA telling us it's okay to copy our CD's with a PC, but we have to encode them as WMA files, and they can only play on Zune.
Would you be excited about that, you stupid *****? Godammit you guys are dumb. - phlyngpngn, on 12/27/2007, -0/+9Who do you think makes up the MPAA?
I'll give you a hint: Fox is on the bottom of the MPAA site. - Amorrn, on 12/28/2007, -1/+9I'd say that this is probably Mission Accomplished more in the "George W. Bush on an aircraft carrier proclaiming the end of the Iraq war in 2003" sense than any real meaningful way.
- chris9902, on 12/27/2007, -2/+10"It doesn't need to go to the iPod, it can stay in iTunes"
lol. That's one of the best comments I've seen defending Apple's monopoly. - FredFredrickson, on 12/27/2007, -3/+10***** the MPAA? Since when is the ability to convert to a proprietary format, for use only on proprietary devices ***** anybody but the consumer?
- edicius, on 12/27/2007, -1/+8I believe the keywords there are "average consumer". Average consumers don't go and look for a way to do things like this. If they aren't told that they can do it they don't even think of it.
- inactive, on 12/27/2007, -7/+14and yet Apple doesn't set sued for abusing monopoly.
- aeiou, on 12/27/2007, -0/+7Its called Fair Use. The DMCA violates it, but it is a part of copywrite law. And the DMCA says its only illeagal if there is copy protection on it, although most dvd's you buy at the store do have copy protection.
- Puppetx, on 12/27/2007, -1/+7I hate to burst your bubble but no DRM will stop "Aisa" from copying movies, they are using presses that create exact copies.
Virtually every DRM scheme makes it harder for individuals* to copy movies and does nothing to stop the owners of presses from making thousands of copies. DRM is designed to stop you* from "being ABLE to make an exception for HER"
I've never understood why mpaa/riaa use more resources going after individuals instead of bulk piracy operations. - gts1983, on 12/27/2007, -1/+7I wouldn't say Mission Accomplished but Mission Definitely Moving in the Right Direction
- inactive, on 12/27/2007, -0/+5by your reasoning MS isn't a monopoly either since there's Linux and OSX as competition.
- aeiou, on 12/27/2007, -0/+5Good point. Remember when the itunes music store came out? Everyone was mad that it had drm, but at least it was a start. And guess what? Now the music companies are just starting to warm up to the idea of drm free music.
- MScrip, on 12/27/2007, -0/+5True, but it falls under, "I'm in my own home, I'll do what I want, come stop me."
- seanof, on 12/27/2007, -1/+6There an application called HandBrake that can ripe DVD into iTunes compatible files. http://handbrake.m0k.org/
- JohnnySoftware, on 12/27/2007, -0/+4Title of the article linked to is that Fox will allow COPYING of the DVD movie into Apple iTunes, which is a TRUE statement. The article explains that the DVD will include an iTunes FairPlay formatted file with the movie on it - and that can be imported into Apple iTunes. I am not sure the term "rip" only applies to certain file formats and not others. In any case, I find the wording of the title of this dig post a lot less misleading than your comment categorically claiming it is untrue.
- buddamus, on 12/27/2007, -0/+4So if making an mp3 of my own cd's is copyright, how is this diffrent
- GreatDrok, on 12/27/2007, -4/+8Very nice of them. It doesn't say what the resolution will be (320x240 or 640x480). H.264 would also be nice and finally, if they really want the likes of BD or HD DVD to succeed they should simply include these files on all media, not just DVD. If BD/HD DVD had these files as 640x480 pre-ripped standard MP4s that would go a long way to making these formats more acceptable as DVD replacements. Of course, these files are DRM'd too which I think sucks so I think I'll continue ripping DVDs. For HD DVD, I just have to set my Xbox 360 to the Svideo output and then capture the movie which is slower than ripping a DVD but works well enough for my purposes (getting the movies onto my iPod.)
- inactive, on 12/27/2007, -0/+4Too little, too late. Face it guys, its over. Come up with a better business model or go under, its that simple.
- chris9902, on 12/27/2007, -10/+14no it's not better than nothing. If this was Microsoft there would be a millions of people bitching that it's locked down.
- tnoy, on 12/28/2007, -0/+3If Fox were to have announced DRM'd movie files to download, people wouldnt give a ***** and say that the movie files should be open.
People get up in arms about not being able to rip a DVD to any format they want to play it on device x or operating system y and say we should be able to do whatever we want with it.
Fox releases a DVD that is still encrypted and doesnt allow you to rip to any device, but includes a DRM'd version of the movie with limited playback options and you think of it as a victory? They just combined the two things that no-one wants. How is this even remotely a good thing? - edicius, on 12/27/2007, -0/+3"average consumer"
- r3zonance, on 12/27/2007, -0/+3"That would be correct. MS is not a monopoly in any true sense of the word."
Microsoft has, however, in the past abused it position as market leader to create whole new markets for their products by nefarious means.
iTunes has always had this tie-in to the iPod, it's nothing new, so the comparisons don't really wash. Apple got the market share with the exact same model they are employing now. They haven't done anything new to force competitors out of the iTunes+iPod market, because nothing but the iPod/Apple TV/iPhone will work with iTunes. End of story. - inactive, on 12/27/2007, -2/+5False
- Firehed, on 12/27/2007, -1/+4Barely. I've been able to do this for years using free software in such a way that should be legal if tested in court (it would be the battle between fair use and the DMCA that we all know about).
This may remove the potential legal issues as you never break the copy protection (it sounds like it would end up as some convoluted scheme of a central database of ripped DVDs and the iTunes account they're associated with; it might as well just download from iTunes rather than copy or recode it) and still somewhat addresses the format shifting, but it's still useless by my standards in its DRM-laden form. - bobcatred, on 12/28/2007, -0/+3Actually, it's allowing you to "legally" (I'm not going to argue about the legality of other ripping systems) use multiple products without having to repurchase the same content. With this, you will be able to buy a DVD and watch it using your DVD player, and to maintain and view other legitimate copies on your computer and ipod without having to purchase the same video from iTunes. Admittedly it's not ideal, and we'd like to see a much longer list of usable devices, but it is a step in the right direction. Hopefully Fox will work with other companies to include other media players. It probably seems obvious to the execs at Fox to start with the iPod since, like it or not, it is the most popular portable media player on the market. It doesn't mean that they've signed any kind of exclusivity deal or that they won't expand to other players in the future.
- celkin, on 12/27/2007, -1/+4dugg for Samurai Jack
- BlkGuyAtThePrty, on 12/27/2007, -0/+3Oh, finally. I've been waiting ages to be able to rip your DVD's. Thanks.
- triskele, on 12/27/2007, -1/+4How do you think I make it through long flights with ***** or no movies at all. Both seasons of Star Wars: Clone Wars and 3 seasons of Samurai Jack. All thanks to Handbrake.
- inactive, on 12/28/2007, -0/+3either DivX or H.264 or bust
- Puppetx, on 12/27/2007, -0/+3According to DMCA it is illegal.
According to DMCA software is the only data you can legally backup. - crimsonnblue, on 12/27/2007, -0/+3Yea I know what you mean. DvdShrink FTW.
- sleepwalkers, on 12/28/2007, -0/+3...Wait, why rip HD-DVD to your iPod?
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