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- Aidenag, on 10/11/2007, -4/+207Hell has frozen over, First Murdoch announces that he believes in global warming, and that foxnews will start reflecting that in its programming. And now this..
- butterpat, on 10/11/2007, -5/+106My goodness!! I've restarted my computer, checked for weird viruses, rubbed my eyes and still the article is there, and indeed, it is on Fox News.
- canewediggit, on 10/11/2007, -4/+103dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria!!!!!!!
- idugcoal, on 10/11/2007, -2/+100itsatrap!
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -7/+82Geez, you mean we can no longer rely on our preconceptions about the world, and have to use our brains to make it through the day?
Heaven forbid. - growlzor, on 10/11/2007, -0/+56Are we in some alternate universe? I hope chicks start digging tech support guys here!
- laserblazer, on 10/11/2007, -5/+44Fox News has always been liberally biased. I got into an argument with the garbage-man on my block, George Bush, about it.
I saw an interview with Governor Coleman of California on the subject - very enlightening.
Anyhow, I'm off to watch Dr. Paris Hilton get her Nobel prize. Later all. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+34First SC2, now this???
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -7/+36Look like Fox is getting ready for the Democratic Rule of the Government.
money, money, money. - shiftt, on 10/11/2007, -10/+35Global warming is going to be an immensely profitable industry. I'm surprised it took him this long.
As for the rave review? I have no idea. Either someone is getting fired tomorrow morning, or hell really did freeze over.. - jobenly, on 10/11/2007, -2/+26And on the other side of the debate, some Canadians are mad that Moore shot the Canadian healthcare industry with a rose-coloured camera lens: http://www.thestar.com/artsentertainment/article/215801
- zweben, on 10/11/2007, -1/+21I think someone snuck in to Fox headquarters and flipped their calendars to April 1st.
- quiksliver, on 10/11/2007, -2/+21I see what you did there!
- KnightMareInc, on 10/11/2007, -5/+23clearly foxnews != fox network.Didnt the simpsons do an episode about that tonight?
- UberNick, on 10/11/2007, -7/+20@torched
"Slamming this movie would probably go against the rest of what fox news preaches daily."
Since when has Fox ever been concerned with logical consistency? - Jimmerz, on 10/11/2007, -6/+17Give us a break. That's so far beyond the pale it isn't even funny. You are claiming Fox is the first or only network to be 'fair and balanced'? If anything fair and balanced is what the news used to be before corporate shills turned it into a for profit endeavor. Before rubes like you bought into treating the news like a sporting event. Before people started treating opinion as fact, and losing the ability to discern between the two.
- triscuitbiscuit, on 10/11/2007, -5/+15There is one point I have to raise in concern to Moore's views- Canada.
After studying Canadian politics, the main consensus that I saw concerning Canada's healthcare system (and nonetheless a first world country) is that it is a complete and utter mess. Canadians are being forced to come to America to have operations that we take for granted. One of the roots of this is outdated equipment. The governmental healthcare system simply does not allow Canadian practitioners to have the most up to date equipment. In this day and age that is really uncalled for. The second and most important root is that it takes so long for Canadians to receive care. Have a suspicious looking lump on your body? Well it will take 6 months or maybe even a year to take a look at that. When cancer is metasticizing that is a long long time for a patient to have to wait.
While there may be first-world countries that have government sponsored healthcare that allows everyone to receive it, it is far from the best system out there. If a social healthcare system was to be implemented there would need to be many many many improvements. Canada has tons of problems with its system and we are 9 times its size. - wobitnobby, on 10/11/2007, -2/+12I married a programmer, is that close enough to IT? And the sex is magnificent!
- KMye, on 10/11/2007, -2/+11Fox News isn't trying to reconcile its reputation; it still gets far better ratings than any other cable news network. Murdoch is a power broker, and he's making the necessary adjustments, in response to the changing mood of the country, to retain his influence. He's been getting chummy with Hillary lately, too.
- Aggaman, on 10/11/2007, -2/+11Perhaps Murdoch has come to realize the truth. The free market has its role to play in certain areas of the economy, and not in others, where it wreaks havoc and produces inefficienct outcomes. The corollary is that state intervention does the same in different areas of the economy. Having a partisan love of one or the other, or believing that technology and time won't change their roles simply flies in the face of the facts. The market needs state regulation and in some cases intervention to produce efficient outcomes. Conversely, sometimes what is done by the state needs market intervention. Real political debate should be about dealing with each issue on its own, but then this would require intelligence from both politicians and the media. Horror of horrors that this should come to pass. If Murdoch really wanted to do the world a service, he would have all his media outlets take this view. Once upon a time, some media outlets did. It was called "responsibility to tell the truth". Would that this be the case again.
For example, it is lamentable that businesses are basically forced into providing health insurance for their workers. It's not their job to be an insurance provider in most cases, and it is not something that they are really any good at. Why on earth should a small business owner be worrying about his employee's healthcare plan? It's simply better to let the state pay for those through taxes and let the employer and employees focus on adding value to the economy by doing what they are there for. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10Yup, here's another Canadian echoing that sentiment:
"But he may feel like applying a couple (bandages) to himself after the mauling he received yesterday from several Canadian journalists – present company included – following the film's first viewing at the Cannes Film Festival."
"We Canucks were taking issue with the large liberties Sicko takes with the facts, with its lavish praise for Canada's government-funded medicare system compared with America's for-profit alternative.
While justifiably demonstrating the evils of an American system where dollars are the major determinant of the quality of medicare care a person receives, and where restoring a severed finger could cost an American $60,000 compared to nothing at all for a Canadian, Sicko makes it seem as if Canada's socialized medicine is flawless and that Canadians are satisfied with the status quo."
"Sicko, to be released in North America on June 29, is by turns enlightening and manipulative, humorous and maudlin. It makes many valid and urgent points about the crisis of U.S. health care, but they are blunted by Moore's habit of playing fast and loose with the facts. Whether it's a case of the end justifying the means will ultimately be for individual viewers to decide."
http://www.thestar.com/artsentertainment/article/215801 - AmusedToDeath, on 10/11/2007, -2/+9Fox News is in the business of getting the most eyeballs to watch the commercials played between its broadcasts. Period.
The same is true of all television programming, news or otherwise, with the possible exception of PBS. They skew their broadcasts to what they think will garner them the most viewers. Republican, Democrat, Liberal, Conservative. It's not about ideology for these guys. They don't care about truth. Its about money. Let me say that again. IT'S ABOUT MONEY.
After 9/11, the American Zeitgeist shifted towards the right. Fox News picked up on that and wisely catered to it. Now that the War is going badly, and the administration seems to be going down in flames, public opinion is moving in the other direction. Guess what - Fox News will move with it.
Television - including television news - is a whore. The sooner you learn that, the smarter you'll be. - indorock, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7It's elementary, really. Rupert M only have one thing on his mind: maximizing profit. He's not Red, he's not Blue, he's GREEN. And he wil go anywhere and do anything to stay as green as possible (by Green i of course mean money, not environment)
For example, he was in talks with Chinese government to do business there. Now if he really held the true morals and values of a Neocon, he would rather die than do business with commies.
He probably smells a win for the Dems in 2008, and wants to be on the winning (i.e., profitable) side. So he just might retool Fox News to be more liberal/libertairan. If this happens, then (thanks GOD) they will start getting rid of the majority of their hosts, like O'Reilly, Hannity, and the rest of the idiots.
Imagine that.. - ArtificialAnus, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6@triscuitbiscuit
>main consensus that I saw concerning Canada's healthcare system ... is
>that it is a complete and utter mess
In truth, it is a bit under-funded right now due to cost-cutting by previous governments (and hell - probably the current one - I've not been paying attention) and is severely in need of a money injection. Still cheaper per capita than the american system , though.
"Canadians pay $2,163 per capita versus $4,887 U.S. in 2001 [...] According to Dr. Stephen Bezruchka, a senior lecturer in the School of Public Health at the University of Washington in Seattle, Canadians do better by every health care measure."
Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_health_care#Funding_of_universal_health_care_systems
>While there may be first-world countries that have government sponsored healthcare
> that allows everyone to receive it
There are in fact quite a few. Canada is just one of many. For example, Australia has a very good public-health system in my opinion (and my experience with it).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_health_care#Countries_with_universal_health_care
And by the way, mexico is attempting to implement universal health care. Just thought I'd put that out there.
AA - annonimality, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8Fox News actually threatened to sue The Simpsons, another Fox Network show: http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve_main/1,1002,271%7C84353%7C1%7C,00.html
Here's a great quote from Matthew Groening: "We called their bluff because we didn't think [News Corp. CEO] Rupert Murdoch would pay for Fox to sue itself" - otep, on 10/11/2007, -10/+16It's some sort of weird ploy that I just can't figure out ...........touche' Faux News ... touche'.
- TiMMY8765, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8TIME PARADOX OH SHI-
- LBTS, on 10/11/2007, -4/+10@Flashman, "Geez, you mean we can no longer rely on our preconceptions about the world, and have to use our brains to make it through the day?
Heaven forbid."
No, flashman, it doen't mean that at all. What it does mean is that Fox may be changing its preconceptions about the world, and that Fox has finally decided to use its brains to make it through the day.
Or more likely Fox is just calming down their usually blatant right wing rhetoric so that despite having foreign ownership (Murdoch), Fox will be able to win governmental approval to buy up even more of U.S. mainstream media. Recently Murdoch has been after The Wall Street Journal; a purchase that would face significant government regulatory hurdles.
But I digress, let's get back to your question that implied that Digg readers weren't currently using their brains to make it through the day. It's a rather illogical question.
With Digg being a social news site, on its face its audience is vastly more well informed and open minded than the general public at large, and obviously this involves an active brain.
Heaven had nothing to do with it. We were special right from the start. - lovestospooge, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/5952/timeparadoxnv0.jpg
- FriedTurkey, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5In reality, the corporations wouldn't mind health care being a top issue. They can repeat what they did with pharmaceuticals bill. The Republicans did help some seniors with lower cost drugs but it really was designed as huge payouts to pharmaceutical companies. The health care industry is probably eying the same kind of legislation.
- spoiled1, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5This just in, White House has announced that President Bush will go to front lines in Iraq to fight the bad guys, in another news Dick Cheney resigned from his post saying "I take the responsibility for the blunders in Iraq, and as a goodwill gesture donate all my assetts for all the fallen victims of this war."
- mutatron, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6"But this time around, the controversial documentarian seems to be letting the subject matter do the talking, and in the process shows a new maturity."
Moore used to do that, back when he had a tv show. I remember one segment he did about the maquiladoras workers on the Mexican side of the border with El Paso (I think). He just let the corporate reps do the talking, and they dug their own grave. He rode around with this spokeswoman in Lincoln Contintental (pre-SUV days), they were driving past the squalor where the maquiladorenos lived, and the lady was explaining how it wasn't bad to pay them a 50 cents an hour, because... "Just look, they really don't need that much money like we do. They don't have any mortages, no car payments, no electricity bills, no sanitation bills. Fifty cents an hour for them is plenty!" - FAT_PIGGY, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5Global Warming = Global Tax
- chillin411, on 10/11/2007, -4/+8If a news network has to go out of their way to point out that they're "fair and balanced", there's a reason - and it's usually not a good one.
- joemono, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4(insert party-stopping record scratch sound effect here)
- HappyScrappy, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4The first season of TV Nation was excellent. It kind of tailed off after that.
- iomegaboy, on 10/11/2007, -9/+11There's a difference between intentional, inflammatory "documentaries" and those attempting to convey the truth and reality of a situation.
- canadianbaking, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3According to the World Health Organization, Canada's health care system ranks 30th in the world, while the USA's ranks 37th. As a Canadian, I'd advise you to emulate France's health care model rather than ours (a point Mr. Moore makes in his film).
GO SENS! - D3koy, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Time for a quick head-snap followed by a spit-take then a long high pitched WHAAAA?
Maybe even slap my hands to my cheeks, who knows....(like in Home Alone) - azzageddi, on 10/11/2007, -3/+6For the past 12 years, I've been living in a country that has national health care, and buddy, it's great. Not perfect, mind you, but among the reasons that Japan has the highest longevity in the world, cheap and easy access to health care is probably at the top. (Good eating habits and plenty of walking and biking are way up there too.)
Back home in America, my mom is suffering all sorts of health problems as she ages, and since her retirement package went poof, she's in big trouble. She's in a crappy HMO that costs as much as I pay for national health insurance here, yet her visits to the doctor, her meds, and her surgery all cost WAY more than in Japan.
One of the main reasons I hesitate to move my wife and kids back to America is the lack of good national health care. Man, it is just STUPID that we still don't have it. As a nation, we Americans should be ashamed. National health care is never perfect, but it's far, far better than the insane system we have now, that only benefits insurance companies, pharmacies, and overpaid doctors. And why we don't have it yet? Ignorance-based scare tactics likes yours, thrallie. That and the buckets of money paid to our representatives to spout the same BS you are writing. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5Just because some guy named Roger Friedman who reviews movies for Fox gave it a positive review doesn't mean that Fox is pro Michael Moore. Fox is, after all, pro-America and anti-communist.
- g30ff, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4As a Canadian, I think I can fairly say that two of our favourite national passtimes are (1) patting ourselves on the back for our public health care system and (2) pissing and moaning about how our public health care system could be better (after hockey--go sens--and beer drinking--had a few, pardon my spelling). I haven't dug you down or anything, but I think you're being led astray by our tendency to complain about how things could be better. If it came down to a referendum between keeping our system, warts and all, and adopting an American style health care system, I seriously doubt that support for the latter option would get out of the single digits. Support for a public system even cuts across party lines here--most of the conservatives I know favour increased public spending on health care. And let me tell you it is a rare issue that unites Canadians as much as this one does. There are some legitimate problems, but I suspect that they have a lot to do with the peculiarities of the way responsibility for health care is shared between the provinces and the federal government (each pointing fingers at the other when it comes time to get things done) and rather less to do with the issues that opponents of public health care like to cite (e.g. 'private sector efficiency', etc.). Our complaints arise out of the discrepancy between what we do see and what we would like to see in our system, not generally from comparing it to the US system. Moore might see our system through rose tinted lenses (frankly, I think it's kinda nice) and run afoul of a couple journalists and whiners for it, but I think that his analysis is appropriate for the kind of issue that he is trying to address, and those of us who criticize him for it are missing the bloody point. Canada's health care system is nowhere near as bad as you've made out and there are lots of other models for public health care. If the US ever decides to go that route, and since I wish you nothing but the best I hope you do, you'll learn from our mistakes and come up with a uniquely American solution that avoids most of them (and in the process make completely novel mistakes of your own, but hey, that's life). Years later I can guarantee you that you'll still have complaints, but one thing I'm pretty sure of is that for all those complaints there will be very few among you who would want to trade in what you have for the old way of doing things.
- smek2, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4I am feeling a disturbance in the space-time continuum. Fox News praises Michael Moore???
- HappyScrappy, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3I agree. Early TV Nation was sort of like the Daily Show.
They used humor to expose wrongs. There was more investigation and less grandstanding and making confrontations.
Basically, he went from raising awareness to trying to push issues.
He did switch back some later, but I still dunno if he'd make the level of what he did by trying to get auto execs to service a car or dealing with the cigarette CEOs. - danarama, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3somewhere along the line someone is making a distinktion between big corporations and government...basic error
- Jimmerz, on 10/11/2007, -3/+6Alright. I'll play along. Canada does not get the ultimate everything in terms of care. But everyone gets SOME care before a condition reaches the state that a trip to the emergency room is necessary. I would wager you save a lot of money via preventive care, should people take advantage of your system.
Not saying your system is a shambles, or ours is. Wait. Yes. Ours is, unless you are rich.
There must be a middle-ground here that would work for the greater good. Something that allows for basic care before it becomes an expensive crisis. And yet something that allows for a reasonable level of sophistication, a healthy environment for R&D. You frozen Northerners may not have it, but we are even further away from that balance. - masgrada, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5Well, at least they still have this guy tricked. Lot less like him out there now a days.
- atb12688, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2And when I said that it was great that digg and America aren't the same thing, I was not implying that I like Fox News. I was implying that diggers have turned against Fox News, not America and that its great that digg and America are not the same thing. The two ideas are separate...
- Rodman930, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4They also have a good incentive to not give you any care: Lack of money.
- azzageddi, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Um, Fox still shows The Simpsons. And plenty of other shows that could be labeled liberal--at least, I'm pretty sure the religious right considers the Paris Hilton crap to be "liberal" (the rest of us just call it "stupid"). True, they also show 24, which is about as right-wing as you can get--and yet, I still love it. Anyway, Fox saves its ideological propogandizing for its News arm--the entertainment shows are "anything that sells."
I still hate them for canceling Firefly, though. -
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