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- Alphateam, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15I can not wait. Rorschach has to be my favorite comic character ever.
They better find an actor to do him justice.
Alan Moore has to be the most brilliant comic writer of my generation. - foshizol, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13Why do you get that feeling? Because Hollywood usually ***** it up. It sucks when your beloved comic turns into a ***** movie. It mars your memories of it even when you read it again.
I used to be a big fan of Judge Dredd. Then that stupid movie came out and ruined it for me. - micro506, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13Why do I get the feeling that this is going to end up a mess?
- foshizol, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11I hope this doesn't turn out like The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.
- mcspectrum, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12Because you're being a negative nancy.
- JonnyTrombone, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7If doesn't rate at least an 'R', it isn't a good transition.
- TheKingInYellow, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8can you really blame him? writing is what he does and he does it very very well. if you've spent your entire life devoted to doing one thing and becoming very good at it how would you feel if some retard tried to adapt your work into another medium (and ***** it up because it was not intended for said media)? you have to have a serious amount of trust and faith in whoever is adapting your work to be even remotely pleased with it. unfortunately because of alan moore's publishers he has little or no rights where his work is concerned. the company is the one selling it to the highest bidder; not him.
- HappyScrappy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I appreciate the jokes above. But actually Watchmen had two love stories (one in the flashbacks). They interplay with each other and lead into the story in a huge way that honestly, Hollywood will just remove because they can and make it shorter. It'll make the story weaker, but it'll survive. Of course, They'll also remove the other 4 or 5 subplots that lead into the main plot and then the story will no longer survive.
I see someone at the bottom talking about the pirate comics. That's a good example. The first time I read the comic, I skipped all those interludes, thinking they were tangential. I didn't understand the story much at all. Those comics not only add to the plot, but some scenes tell the same stories as scenes in the main plot in a way that is near mind blowing, and probably couldn't be told on screen by anyone due to differences in the way motion and audio-based media communicates to you. That stuff will be the first to go. I'll end up with a little "tribute" on pages 11-12 of the script where the main character (played the awful "actor" Matthew Fox, Dr. Jack from "Lost") flips quickly through a pirate comic book that is sitting on a coffee table in front of him. - mandarin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Wow already a review of a movie that hasnt even come out yet.
- jonnyeh, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Alan Moore is the greatest comic book writer ever, IMHO. It would be very difficult to argue otherwise.
- effen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Watchmen would probably be better off as an 4-8 episode (1 hour each) series on HBO or Showtime instead of a movie. I think there is just too much there to fit in even a 2.5 hour movie. Of course it would probably cost too much money to do it this way.
I hope they pull it off and make a great movie though. - CurtHowland, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Or _V for Vendetta_.
A philosophical tryst on the dangers of government and benefits of individual liberty and individual responsibility, and what do the Matrix brothers give us?
The word "anarchy" used only once, and only by someone robbing a convenience store.
No wonder Moore distanced himself from the film. The only things in common were location, main character names, and the mask. - matriculated, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5IMHO, audiences are going to hate, HATE, the ending of the Watchmen.
- Alphateam, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5From what I have read he NEVER watches his stories on the big screen. And yes he is a prick when it comes to his stuff being a movie, but holy crap can that prick write a good comic.
- junk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Rorshach's mask isn't static like Spiderman's mask is, it has movement and could be used to convey information about his emotional state.
Also I don't really need to see the dong of a huge blue guy on a 50 foot screen, but I agree they shouldn't put him in a black leather suit. Maybe something genatalia neutral like Mystique's makeup/costume from the X-men.
Adaptations from any form are tough and 9 out of 10 are going to fail. Even the ones that succeed as adaptations usually still pale compared to the original. I can only think of a few adaptations from book to movie that surpassed the original: Jaws, Silence of the Lambs, The Wizard of Oz and maybe a few more. (The Godfather and 2001 don't count because they were collaborations from the start.)
I certainly don't have much hope for The Watchmen being one of those exceptional adaptations but I'll reserve judgement till after I see how he did with The 300. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I just recently read the series and it's so awesome. So deep and detailed. I don't know how it's going to be accurate. All that is for certain is that Alan Moore will hate it.
- EbowUK, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"I am de... ADRIAAAAAAAAN.... loh!"
Stallone as Dredd. The first of many reasons why that movie sucked. - fantasticFlan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4So it'll have all those interludes about pirate comics?
- threepio, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Why do you get the feeling - I think the article can sum it up in a sentence "When one of their number is killed the other heroes spring into action"
It's more or a reluctant introspection of their lives, an examination of the sorry state of the world and finally a realization that, regrettably they have to return to action.
Other than Rorschach that is - I wouldn't say he springs - more of a casual fury-bound mosey. - MightyGiant, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Everyone's always gotta generalize about Americans.
- mandarin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4It could go either way. Just wait for it and see.
- zonk3r, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Alan Moore, Neil Gaiman and Grant Morrison. Best in my book.
- Chongo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I bet that Alan Moore disowns this movie though. He seems to be very anti hollywood. He took his name off of V for Vendetta and League of Ext. Gentlemen.
- loquax, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@Alphateam
While I agree that Lee is THE pioneer of the medium, Moore is the master. I would equate Gaiman and Moore to Marlowe and Shakespeare. Lee would be a Chaucer (if such comparisons can be made).
- batman88, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Don't all directors of comic book movies say this? How is this news?
- HappyScrappy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The Hulk
The Punisher
Daredevil
Elektra
Fantastic Four
Where do you get this idea that lately Marvel comic book movies have worked out pretty well? Xmen 1 and Xmen 2 are the exceptions, not the rule. - markperia, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Alan Moore's gonna flip about this! I mean that in the bad sense of the word "flip".
You know he's gonna hate it even before seeing it. He hates his stuff being adapted to some other form.
The guy's brilliant but you must admit he's sort of a prick.
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Alan Moore, that's who. - CurtHowland, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Not with the recent spate of Marvel(c) comics => movies. Marvel kept some control over these films, and so they have turned out pretty well story/character/genre wise.
- Whackly, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Having never read the source material (and thus taking a dump on my nerd street cred) I have to say that I though V for Vendetta was a great movie... and a brave one, too, considering the political climate in which it was released. Don't blame the movie for the fact that most fans can't understand subtlety and need everything spelled out for them.
- JoeNick, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Judge Dread may have sucked, but Judge Dread wasn't directed by Zack Snyder. That guy ***** rocks.
Him, Robert Rodriguez and Sam Raimi are the only people I'd trust to make a faithful adaptation. - Paradoxombie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I don't think he'll care that much, I mean it's already happened 4 or 5 times.
From what i've heard, the reason he doesn't even see the movies is because he hates the idea of people thinking he endorses them in any way. - HappyScrappy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3It'll suck. (avoiding spoilers here) The villain dynamic used in Watchmen won't work in a movie. More importantly, Hollywood won't let Dr. Manhattan float around naked and blue, they'll put him in black leather instead. Take that out and his long periods of time with Janet Juspyzk (sp?) on Mars and you will lose all of how his character works and how he (massively) impacts the story.
And don't even get me started on Rorshach. Hollywood takes the mask off Spiderman so the dialogue works better, there's no way Rorshach will be walking around anonymously.
It may not be the next LXG, but it'll likely be the next "The Punisher". - foshizol, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Well first off they've got to put love story in the movie. To attract more women to the movie how about Jessica Simpson, she did so well in The Dukes of Hazard.
Second they need an actor for comic relief, how about Roy Schneider
Third lets drop the whole alternative universe thing. The movie goers aren't smart enough to understand that. Plus we don't want to offend the Bible Belt people Nixons still popular with those people.
Fourth it was kind of violent. Hmmm, lets remove the violence to off camera and make it a little campy. Like that George Cloney Batman movie. - MightyGiant, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Great example of the differences between film and graphic novels.
- wormhole, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The only reason I'm glad I sat through that piece of crap was to hear Sean Connery say "That was naughty..."
Unfortunately, even that couldn't save the film. - jonnyeh, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I don't think it was a pirate story, I thought it was a castaway.
- CurtHowland, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Ah. I didn't see them all, is how.
When I turn pro movie reviewer, and someone else is buying the ticket and popcorn, then maybe.
And I thought Lou Farigno made a good Hulk, so there. - CurtHowland, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Probably downloaded a copy off of Supernova, you know how fast those video pirates work...
- HappyScrappy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2yum, sugar cubes
- Asianwaste, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Let's just say they can pull off 3 hours for the movie, that'll still be nowhere near enough time to cover even an abridged version of the watchmen. Watchmen would be better off as an HBO miniseries.
With that aside who would be a good cast for the movie? - HappyScrappy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It's not about emotional state, it's about the dialogue.
People don't all have the best hearing and the theater sound systems don't necessarily convey dialogue well to every seat. So a lot of people will not understand all the dialogue if you can't see the actor talking.
There's additional considerations, like how do you get a good actor for the part? Most actors want their faces up on the screen.
I wouldn't mind putting shorts on Jon so I don't have to see his dong. But putting real clothes on him would make him seem more human, which undermines a huge part of the plot. His character is boring, because he doesn't see the point. He doesn't see the point of clothes, and making his body less featureless would still undermine the point a bit. Who cares? Hollywood will do worse than put clothes on him. They'll get a real hip, bald actor. They'll either get Vin Diesel or that guy who plays Lex Luthor on "Smallville". - Alphateam, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2You are right...American's always like the good guy to walk away in the sunset with the girl.
- toshipaine, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This is tough. I love the graphic novel. Unfortunately film adaptations have been hit and miss. On one hand you have Batman Begins, 300, and the Spiderman films have been great... on the other hand you have X3, Daredevil, and Hulk. I gues the only thing to do is wait and see what happens.
By the way how are they going to handle Doctor Manhattan's blue nakedness? - willistg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I also recently re-read the Wacthmen. It will be interesting to see how such an incredibly in depth series gets boiled down to 90 minutes.
- toliman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2i read the wikipedia article on the watchmen, it does not seem to want to translate well to the big screen. sin city's visceral nature of 20-30 min vignettes works, but it seems that you'd have to spin a lot of the darker stuff to save time. 130mins for a 12 chapter novella is cutting it thin.
i suppose it could be styled like v for vendetta, but they skipped on a lot of material for the movie and it felt wrong in some ways because of it. it could be like a mid 80's donnie darko type period, with an xmen type reality where masked heroes are treated like political celebrities, both gods and criminals by the general public, and the looming threat of commies and cold war nuclear escalation like the cuban missile crisis is being connected to the vigilantism of superheroes trying to save their own countries. the threat comes from the beilef that superheroes would try to get involved in skirmishes leading to nuclear war with the russians and the chinese, etc.
the dr manhattan thing could be done in an austin powers way, where the nude, slightly transparent blue man just happens to stand near podiums, have cars park obscurely in front of the camera, always have a camera/screen suddenly pan (or s comic style panel fill in an alternate scene, 24 style) away at the last second, etc. or just have the traditional chromakey undies and turn him into a ken doll.
there would also need to be huge flashbacks, especially the comedian & ozymandias as somebody who looks a lot like an intelligent, ass kicking version of hugh laurie from house, or you could play the republican/right wing amoral take and put some obvious homage to a republican like schwarzenegger in as ozymandias. hell, since he dies right in the beginning, put stephen segal on as the comedian. great role for segal there.
some things i can see happening, but the rest seems absurd and difficult to get into a movie and convey it in the same sense as v for vendetta. etc. - APHughes, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The Watchmen will be impossible but lets just hope it can be along the lines of Sin City and not the Hulk.
- davewilson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2There are a few scenes in the book where Rorshach has his masked rolled up so he can eat. I suspect they'll do that more so people can see his lips move when he talks. He doesn't need to take it off completely...
- loquax, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I would like them to do more things along the lines of Sin City, or (possibly even better) fully animated, well voiced movies (I'm thinking along the lines of the animated Bat Man of recent years). One of the reasons for comics being so popular is that they are beautiful art as well as being great stories. Sin City and Hellboy are the best two examples of live action meeting the comic medium at a good crossroads. The Hulk was perhaps the worst. Too often, Hollywood wants to make these things vehicles for stars to win some screen time and not to honor the original story or artistic vision.
I will say that "A History of Violence" was very well done, but I have yet to read the original comic. - Modulo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2SIMON PEGG FTW!!!! And Alphateam, allow me to revise what jonneyeh said. It would be difficult to argue otherwise without being incredibly wrong.
- mklopez, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2For those interested in more Frank Miller, he will work in the adaptation of "The Spirit":
http://digg.com/movies/Frank_Miller_Has_Got_The_Spirit
(I'm not sure if linking to a related digg article is considered 'spam' by the community. If so, I apologize) -
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