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- Dethblow, on 12/03/2007, -0/+25I, for one, am appalled. There are so many classics that need to be preserved. I want to make sure that my children and grandchildren have the pleasure of viewing the many classics that I have enjoyed.
- Emilio8605, on 12/03/2007, -0/+21Stories like this make me sad. I mean, we've already lost the original version of Fritz Lang's Metropolis. Let's not lose more classics.
- SolipsismX, on 12/03/2007, -0/+11I think another big problem is that it seems like only the biggest of films will be saved.
- semeticstallion, on 12/03/2007, -1/+11...until you're smart enough to realize that DVDs can oxidize and be just as ***** too without proper care.
- BossKey, on 12/03/2007, -0/+10I care because DVDs are only around 640x480.
In terms of resolution versus film, when you hold a DVD...you don't actually have the majority of the movie. - zachshmack, on 12/03/2007, -1/+10Film ain't digital, bud.
- mem7, on 12/03/2007, -2/+10They are talking about the original film negatives. RTA.
- Spamcan, on 12/03/2007, -0/+8As someone who handles film on a daily basis I'm not the least surprised. Why should the studios care? Anything over a year old will only end up being viewed by consumers after it's been digitized. They can clean up, crop and cut a film as much as they'd like before re-releasing it and whose going to miss 5 seconds here and 10 seconds there anyway? It's not right, in fact it's ***** pathetic, but as long as enough of the film intact to put it out on DVD most studios would be happy to charge you full price for 2/3rds of the theatrical cut.
- inactive, on 12/03/2007, -3/+10My collection of torrents is equally unorganized.
- semeticstallion, on 12/03/2007, -0/+7Even if on a digital format (CD/DVD/DV), the process of oxidation will still render the matrial useless without proper care. Try and play a CD that's been sitting in an attic for 20 years not in its case and tell me if it plays.
- rezist, on 12/03/2007, -1/+8support the Eastman House! Kodak's film archive is globally crucial to the survival of film.
- actorboy, on 12/03/2007, -0/+7BossKey is correct. They're talking about original prints and negatives. To historians, aficionados and purists, promoting preservation on DVD is the same as promoting the preservation of great paintings with digital photos.
- sazai, on 12/03/2007, -1/+8This is so distressing. The vast majority of movies I like are pre-1940, most being before sound. It's not like every film can be rediscovered and found in broom closets like Dreyer's La Passion de Jeanne d'Arc. Movies are a part of our national (and world) heritage. We cannot lose them.
- inactive, on 12/03/2007, -0/+5Eastman Kodak's crappy color stocks are pretty much the entire problem. Nobody in Rochester seems to have a clue anymore. I'd no sooner trust them with the legacy of motion pictures than I'd use their godawful products. Now if Fuji ever decides to start taking archival prints seriously maybe I'll donate to their cause.
- damawa42, on 12/03/2007, -0/+3How exaclty are the digital copies "fading"? And how fast were they EXPECTED to "fade"?
- BossKey, on 12/03/2007, -1/+4Fading doesn't have to be literal. Ask NASA. You can have data and after a number of years, lose the means to retrieve it. The drives, the device drivers, the format support...take out any one and you can't read the data.
- ibeetle, on 12/03/2007, -0/+3I do not have a problem with that. What is more important? Jaws or Wrong Turn 2?
- ryllharu, on 12/03/2007, -0/+3They will get to see these movies, just not with the same cast..or director...or intelligent humor. That and the plot will be slightly "updated" to appeal more to present day audiences.
- DangerMouse9, on 12/03/2007, -0/+3Then perhaps they should use another word for it.
- Cornloaf, on 12/03/2007, -0/+3FTA : Digital technology, which was touted as the salvation of film, has turned out to be deeply flawed, deteriorating faster than anyone imagined.
Tell me how a series of 1's and 0's will deteriorate faster than a negative? Sure if you convert your negative to DVD or something silly. But when you have massive storage arrays with redundancy and backups, your digital copy of your movie is not going to deteriorate. I read an article recently talking about how digital camera pictures will start deteriorating too. I can understand losing the files due to media failure, hardware failure, etc. - lateralis, on 12/03/2007, -0/+2yeah I think that needs to be nominated for "dumbest quote in an article linked to from digg". are the 1s and 0s becoming fuzzy? automatically changing binary values but only to ones that represent the same shade only lighter? wtf?
- smacksaw, on 12/03/2007, -0/+2Well, someone seems to be doing something because I keep seeing all of these old movies in HD on DirecTV and I have to say many of them look better than they did in the original theatrical presentation. As long as we're paying for HD access I think you've got a revenue stream right there. Whether it's HDNet or MGM HD or Blu Ray/HD-DVD, you gotta get this stuff marketed so people remaster and preserve these films so they stand up to a HD presentation.
- Matt2k, on 12/03/2007, -0/+21. Spread a digital copy over 50 million or so peeps globally via p2p
Raw digital output from their cameras is not feasibly transfered over a network. It's enormous
2. The original digital copy is still in flawless condition for the next 4.5 billion years, somewhere.
DVDs and DLT are only rated for maybe 75 years. Other less conventional types of media might be expected to last for a couple centuries under ideal storage conditions. No feasible technology on earth will be preserved after 4.5 billion years - aduzik, on 12/03/2007, -0/+2This might just be the way I read it, but I think they were claiming that digital media physically deteriorate faster than film. So, while film would lose quality over time, digital media could simply cease to work one day, even if most of the media is still fine. Even still, I think that claim is *****; there are plenty of processes for making physically resilient digital media.
- rezist, on 12/03/2007, -1/+2Scorcese has his films stored @ the Eastman House in Rochester Ny, just in case anyone wants to make a difference
- JonParker, on 12/03/2007, -0/+1Dugg for mentioning my favorite movie of all time. The damage that has been done to the silent and early sound libraries is incalculable.
- Matt2k, on 12/03/2007, -0/+1I imagine they store them on digital tape or something? I think the sheer size of hours and hours of uncompressed raw digital footage prohibits throwing them on a server and running your weekly backups.
- MisterRik, on 12/03/2007, -0/+1"Royalties are not a blessing; they're part of being employed"
Actually they are part of not being employed. That's kind of the point. When was the last time you got paid in perpetuity for something you did at a salaried position? - MacSuxWindozSux, on 12/03/2007, -0/+1I'm Excited!
- solid12345, on 12/03/2007, -0/+1How many of these though are true HD or just the regular DVD's upscaled with filters to HD resolution?
- sparced, on 12/05/2007, -0/+1one of these days I’m going to get organized.
- dagooh, on 12/03/2007, -0/+1They will get to see those movies, just not with the same quality, which sucks.
- bxyldy, on 12/03/2007, -0/+1WGA members are not compensated for Internet broadcasts of their shows; and, ultimately, the Internet will be the means through which TV will be consumed. Royalties are not a blessing; they're part of being employed. Yeah, the studio system cannot live within its current means; but if / when everything collapses, the fallout is going to leave thousands without jobs. Independent production companies won't be able to afford to re-hire everyone for non-union wages; and U.S. funding for arts and entertainment is a joke. So who's gonna save the film industry? Apple? Google?
- damawa42, on 12/03/2007, -0/+1Instead of digging the comment down, why don't you answer?
- SolipsismX, on 12/14/2007, -0/+1Not all great films are popular.
- Gabnoj, on 12/04/2007, -0/+1Disorganised. ;)
- isntreal, on 12/03/2007, -0/+1I did read the article, thanks.
- damawa42, on 12/03/2007, -0/+1yeah, it sounded really f-ing stupid to me too, but maybe i don't know enough.... which is why i had to ask the question - but some moron thought it would be a good idea to digg me down so that people don't see the question, so that it doesn't get answered. nice one fellow digger. it's not like i was voicing an opinion that you may or may not agree with... information IS the key you know?
- isntreal, on 12/03/2007, -0/+1So you're telling me they can't afford to put the dvd's or whatever material in a case? If you ask me, it's retarded.
- cloudyprison, on 12/12/2007, -0/+1So get out of the Entertainment category. Slow news day?
- hollyminkowski, on 12/04/2007, -0/+1I make recovery files for my DVDs using the free DVDisaster
http://dvdisaster.net/en/index.php
I tested it by drilling tiny little holes through a dvd and then attempting
a recovery....it took almost 2 hours but the DVD was fully rebuilt
into an iso file using the recovery data :-) - aduzik, on 12/03/2007, -0/+1Yes, as I understand it, the version of Metropolis that is generally available is very different from the original because the movie was re-edited to have a far less Marxist air.
- rezist, on 12/10/2007, -0/+1Scorsese trusts Eastman with his collection, as well as many others. I personally know a few individuals involved with the projects @ Kodak and can say that they are devoted and competent individuals (not spam)
- bincoder, on 12/03/2007, -0/+0Actually, when one copies a dvd that will not last 4.5 billion years, then someone copies the copy, over and over, as unknown media develops and time passes, yes, a movie can last 4.5 billion years. Or are you saying that there are no movies or other data that exist anymore on the planet that is beyond the age of the computer and dvds? Get real, the (obvious) point is, when a file is being shared and people are trading it, there is no way on earth to destroy it. It doesn't matter if a dvd lasts one hundred years or one month, when copies are being made several times per week there is no way the data will magically figure out 'oops, I better delete myself, it's been over my assigned lifetime'. Why do you think the AA's don't like digital? One copy, one trillion copies == zero distortion and no errors. Now dig me down some more for being smarter than you are.
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- lolo2007, on 01/18/2008, -0/+0The entire archive of the defunct Dumont Television Network was melted for silver recycling decades ago!
Some of those old films, including most independent films from before the mid 1960s are on a type of celluloid film that most fire marshals will not even allow to be kept in their jurisdiction, because it is so dangerous in a fire!
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