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- Stoker, on 10/12/2007, -1/+60I'll digg anything that has even the slightest chance of giving me more Firefly episodes!
- Scopitone, on 10/12/2007, -1/+44No, the problem with Serenity was it got picked up by Fox; the destroyer of great television series!
- SamKellett, on 10/12/2007, -1/+41The only thing that was wrong with Firefly is that nobody knew about it. It's a shame Whedon had to end as many of the story lines as he could with one film, Serenity.
- TheJuggernaut, on 10/12/2007, -0/+29@ilyag
You're mostly right: Serenity, on its own, is a good-but-not-extraordinary sci-fi movie. The rabid following comes from viewers of the TV series, which had great character development, killer writing and a lot more of the funky patois and unique western flavor. If you like sci-fi, you ought to give the series a try on DVD. - dominiccarr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+24I miss firefly.
- The2ndAct, on 10/12/2007, -4/+23"am I the only one who thinks that Serenity was a really bad movie...?"
Yes - Herolint, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16@ilyag
Perhaps it was because you said you never watched the show and can't for the life of you understand where the rabid obsession was coming from. Perhaps if you had actually WATCHED the show and then made that comment, your comment would not have been buried. Or, perhaps if you had actually watched the show, you could understand where people are coming from and wouldn't have made that comment in the first place.
Just a thought... - ScrumFritter, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15Yeah, except Star Trek had 3 million episodes, we only have 14 and a movie. I would trade every "KAAAAHN!" in the world for more Jayne action. :(
- labmouse42, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Serenity did exactly what it was supposed to do.
It got people who were not interested in the firefly franchise to check out the shows.
And for the most part they liked it. - Herolint, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11@toasty168
That doesn't make sense. The show was out and people liked it a long time before Bush curdled in everyone's minds. Nobody liked the show because in made them think of our current administration. It was just a good show. Don't try to draw connections where none exist. - MrDo, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13Ah, Firefly, Startrek for the kids of today.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8"you can never stop the signal!"
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Fox can't find the stones to stick with a show long enough for it to build a following. I really hate to see a good show start on Fox because I know they will break my heart by cancelling it in the first few weeks and never airing the shows that are complete. I loved Firefly and think Whedon is one of the best writers around. Luckily there are other outlets like comics and feature films where his work is available, such as the recent Season 8 series of Buffy in comic book form.
- labmouse42, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Serenity was an awesome movie, which followed an incredible TV show. However, we will not see another film or TV show, as it did not make enough money. :(
"Budget $39,000,000"
"The film was released in North America on September 30, 2005 by Universal Pictures. It received generally positive reviews and opened at number two, taking in $10.1 million its first weekend, spending two weeks in the top ten, and totaling a domestic box office gross of $25.5 million and a foreign box office gross of $13.3 million.[2]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serenity_%28film%29 - CygnusTM, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Why not link to the actual CSTS site (http://www.cantstoptheserenity.com/) instead of some blog posting?
I'm bummed there is no screening near Detroit. - seasleepy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@toasty: One of the more interesting things I've noticed with Firefly/Serenity is that liberals, conservatives, libertarians, etc all seem to find points to take validation from. See these 3 Serenity reviews for example:
http://www.pww.org/article/view/7915/1/290/
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig6/crosby3.html
http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/preston200510050823.asp - gquaglia, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Apparently the Sci fi channel isn't much better. SG1 cancelled, I give Atlantis another year before the ax falls and there are rumblings of BSG going one more season before its cancelled.
- Herolint, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I didn't know about the show when it was on TV, but one of the reasons it didn't fair well may have been that they didn't show the pilot first, but rather jumped straight into the one about the train job. So, nobody really new any of the characters or even what was going on because the station didn't play the show in the right order. I remember seeing ads for Firefly, but I had no idea what it was about. If the station would have done a better job of marketing the show, I probably would have watched it. A lot of people may have.
I saw the TV show on DVD and thought the storyline and character developments were outstanding. It was far better, in my opinion, than any of the other sci-fi shows on at the time. I probably would not have thought so if I had watched them out of order though.
For the most part, TV stations was a quick laugh or quick action and don't really allow for a more in-depth, complex show to get started, which is too bad. - mrhuhk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Don't forget, that Firfefly was actually picked up because Fox gave up waiting for Battlestar Galactica fans.
All the BSG fans should thank the frakkin gods that Fox didn't rape their show instead of the gorram Browncoats' show. - superterran, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@fatdog789
Yeah, you didn't watch the show at all, did you? Just in that sentence where your naming out all the stereotypes:
Jayne - Jayne didn't have a heart of gold. One time, in robbing a magistrite of his fortunes, Jayne and his partner stole a shuttle. When he started losing altitude, he first threw out his partner, then the chairs, then the crates of money. Jayne shot one of his comrades in the leg while Mal was trying to negotitate a better offer for his 'services' than Jayne's current boss was giving him. Jayne also 86'd Simon and River on Ariel in hopes to get that reward money that was all over the cortex. He got pinched and didn't get any money in the end - but I think that makes a solid case that Jayne has a heart that beats for money, and that's pretty much it.
Inara (the honorable whore) was running from something; Joss probably didn't have time to develop her story line. Book (The preacher) obviously was out of place, especially with his inate understanding of how the millitia goes about things. It was obvious to everybody, even the characters in the show, that Book had some next level ***** going on, and there was even doubt to rather or not he was a preacher.
As far as Hans Solo - that's insulting to Mal Reynalds character. Solo was basically a small time crook without a care in the world who just so happened to have the fastest starship in the universe. Mal was a good guy who was beaten down by a hard life, and who's spaceship was a piece of *****. Now... I'm not saying that Firefly/Serenity is the best Sci-fi ever... I think the last three seasons of DS9 would put it out to pasture; however - just to reply to your post - if thats how you see firefly, you should probably sit down and watch an episode. - Warpstone, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I completely agree nite23. Firefly was an AMAZING series with great characters and storylines.
The movie just seemed ... rushed. Understandably, they wanted to try and tie up all the loose ends with the movie, but two hours just isn't enough time. Some storylines they just had to abandon completely (Preacher's background for example), which was very unfortunate. And as far as characters dying unecessarily ... Grrr. WHY?
That movie was just ... not as good as I wanted it to be. It did get more people interested in the series as labmouse42 mentioned, which is always good, but as a big fan, I wanted more. :) - darkstar949, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I bought the box set for the show a little bit before the movie can out and the movie didn't seem too inconstant with the show - just a bit longer. Also, killing characters off like that is fairly normal for Joss Whedon.
- itslifeasusual, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I like how this is one conversation about Firefly and Serenity when in fact this is an article about one of the most overlooked and violent organized crimes in the world. The trafficking of Humans is the second most profitable industry behind drugs. Lets digg this so people here about a real human tragedy v. the tragedy of your favorite TV show getting canceled.
- seasleepy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@mcatrage: Apparently the DVD is coming out August 21. ( http://homevideo.universalstudios.com/details.php?childId=36897 )
(Although this article says July 31. So who knows. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/06/movies/moviesspecial/06jete.html?_r=1&oref=slogin ) - mavjop, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I have to say, I think you're stark, raving mad.
I love BSG. It is a truly amazing show. Sci-Fi have given Ron Moore and his colleagues a great deal of creative freedom, and for that I think they really deserve a lot of kudos. They've also kept BSG on the air when ratings might've suggested dropping it, presumably because the highly positive critical reviews give Sci-Fi Channel credibility. BSG has run for 3 seasons now, and a 4th has been ordered. That is *hardly* "grabs ... and kills". So far we've had 3 wonderful seasons to love. Even if they didn't continue further, I would have to give them huge credit for that.
Stargate SG-1 has run for 9 seasons. NINE seasons. That's a huge run. Atlantis, a spin-off series from a series made based on a movie, has run for 5 seasons! You must be smoking copious amounts of crack if 14 frakking seasons equates to taking something and killing it.
Sci-Fi channel seem to have a really great record of honouring good shows by giving them time.
*Fox* (gorram go-se), OTOH, does not. Fox greenlights great shows nobody else will, and then (presumably different people) gives them no chance at all to get their footing. One cannot say that about Sci-Fi channel, where they actually air everything they shoot and give things whole seasons and stuff.
By contrast, Fox shoots 1/2 seasons of shows and airs only a few episodes.
Firefly - 11 of 14 aired
Wonderfalls - 4(? I think) of 14 aired
The Inside - 7 of 13 aired
Drive - 3 of 5 aired (or 4 of 6, if you count the 2hr premiere as 2 episodes)
(... and there's plenty more examples like it)
If you can provide examples of Sci-Fi channel ordering 1/2 or full seasons and then pulling the plug after only a few weeks, then I'll be impressed. The examples you gave of how Sci-Fi channel horribly abuse shows were totally ridiculous, as they are examples of how Sci-Fi channel[1] treat shows *remarkably well*.
[1] ... which certainly has plenty of flaws, so I'm not saying they're perfect or anything. 1 word: Mansquito. Another example: wrestling?! It has also been said that they hate science fiction. Not really a good thing in a cable network called Sci-Fi. - mavjop, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Wishful thinking, I suspect. I would be very happy to find out that you're right, but I suggest not holding your breath.
For one, Fox holds the rights, not Universal/Sci-Fi (other than for 2 more movies, the option for which will expire later this year if they don't begin production, I believe). For another, it would probably be hard to get everybody for another series, including Joss being rather busy. I hear Tim's available, mind you. ;P
I do hope you're right, though. - darkstar949, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I don't know, I never really got the impression that Book would be the type to go into much detail about his background - personally I thought that was the best way they could have ended Book's story.
- lordigor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2i really wish people would understand that the deaths in serenity are NECESSARY. without killing off a main character, when they get into fights you know everything is gonna be ok, cause they're in the opening credits, so they cant die. when you start killing off main characters, you suddenly go from that to "my god, he's a madman! he'll kill them all off!" its much, _much_ more suspenseful when you get to the climactic fight.
- Kektain, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Sadly, I'm almost sure it's going to be something derivative and inane, with more fabulous production values. Great as it would be, I won't be holding my breath for more Firefly.
- kylebrothert, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I probably wouldn't support Equality Now under normal circumstances. I ordered my ticket to see Serenity and be amongst Browncoats for an evening. I'm pretty sure the only people in attendance will be Browncoats. Anyone else who wants to support the charity will just send money.
- seasleepy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@mavjop: Farscape would be the obvious example. SciFi had announced a pickup for a fifth season, and then suddenly decided to cancel it just as the fourth was ending. (I'd give more details, but I haven't ever watched the show, so.)
Not horrible abuse but -- much of Eureka was also aired out of order ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eureka_%28TV_series%29#Episodes ). Certainly this is less glaring than airing Firefly out of order, as Eureka has been considerably more standalone, but it's still not encouraging.
And from interviews with Ron Moore, apparently the network had been "encouraging" him to do more standalone episodes in BSG (which have been some of the worst episodes of the series imo). (I think he's convinced them to let up on that point for the fourth season at least.)
None of these are as hugely critically boneheaded as some of the moves that Fox has made, but I can understand some wariness towards SciFi. - KazamaSmokers, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Fox wants to make money TOO SOON. Shows need time to build. Look at the mistake NBC made with JAG... by wanting results too soon.
- KazamaSmokers, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Well, now... think about this for a moment.
The SciFi Channel cancels SG-1. It may only be doing one more season of Atlantis and who knows after that. I don't think Painkiller Jane or Dresden will get renewals. That leaves Eureka and BSG, and BSG will almost certainly end after the next season. So as of the end of 2008 you will have Eureka and the new Flash Gordon thing and a lot of budget to spend on ... something.
Heh heh... anyone want to guess what that something is going to be? - BravoLima, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1
@scopitone
You said it; FOX destroys EVERYTHING, not just great SciFi Series!
The FIREFLY series was Joss getting to do his creative arc as a reward
for Buffy's success; much as SPACE: ABOVE & BEYOND was the reward
for the success of X FILES. Both were great SciFi with interesting characters
that were created from the heart; the Black Tower Execs cannot bear to be wrong
so the series were NOT promoted and failure was pre-ordained. I never heard of the
series FIREFLY until I accidentally saw the last 18 minutes of ONE show before it
was cancelled. Now I have the Complete Series on DVD, the Episodes that
never aired are as good or better than the ones SciFi Channel aired. I can't
add enough praise to another great series: HIGHLANDER The Series was
excellent, especially the longer, uncensored European version. Check it out!
Dr. Ron Paul in 2008, Before it's too late!
http://www.infowars.com/
http://www.prisonplanet.com/
http://www.jonesreport.com/
http://www.freedomtofascism.com/
http://www.chrononhotonthologos.com/
:^} - TeLLeK, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Well damn it! This got me all hyped up for a second thinking they were gonna bring back firefly somehow. : (
- BravoLima, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1
@KazamaSmokers,
My GUESS would be that they will spend it on MORE CRAP I DON'T WATCH...
HEROES, PKJANE, DEAD LIKE ME(?), etc. The SciFi Channel almost NEVER has
anything worth watching in Prime Time, just odd hours of the Day & Late Night, if
anything!
:^[ - robdickinson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1DVD is already out, special edition is coming soon.
- BravoLima, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1
@labmouse42
Yes, and how many 100s of THOUSANDS of us bought the Series on DVD, worldwide???
Money votes & I own FIREFLY, SPACE: ABOVE & BEYOND, BABYLON 5, DARK ANGEL,
HIGHLANDER The Series, ROCKY JONES SPACE RANGER, DARK SKIES, SEVEN DAYS,
SG1, ATLANTIS, JOHN DOE, BALTARSTAR PROPHYLACTICA, STARSHIP TROOPERS(animated),
CAPTAIN POWER & the SOLDIERS of the FUTURE, THE PRISONER, BLAKES 7, THE INVADERS,
UFO, CLEOPATRA 2525, etc.
:^} - BravoLima, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1
@ilyag
It's a Personal Liberty & Freedom-thing; if you don't get it, maybe you never will. May your chains rest
lightly upon you; go from us in peace, as we forget that you were our brother.
Ron Paul in 2008, before it's too late! Restore the Constitutional Republic of these united States of
America, American Common Law, Grand Juries of & by the People, Fully Informed Juries, Allodial
Titles, & Abolish Admiralty/Administrative/Statute Law, Alphabet Agency Terrorocracies, the 1913
Bank of England Buyout of the U.S. Govt., the 1917 Espionage Act, War Powers& NF Act(s) of 1933,
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- lordigor, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2sg-1 got cancelled after 10 seasons. thats a pretty long run. AND they ordered _two_ movies to finish the series off. now there are rumors of a third (fourth if you count the cartoon) stargate spinoff.
as for bsg, it's a show like lost..it cant go on forever. the show shines when it gets 3-4 seasons of solid, plot-driven writing that knows when the end is and wraps it up in a way that doesnt feel rushed or forced. the show would get pretty retarded by season 6 or 7 of HAY WE'RE STILL LOOKING FOR EARF, YOU GOT DIRECTIONS?
sci-fi channel treats their shows better than any other channel, except maybe HBO. - V1ncent, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Firefly was a great show, my DVD set is well-loved. I wish someone would pick them up but hey, us Browncoats did get Serenity. As to Sci-Fi channel (aka NBC) they always grab a show and then kill it before too long, so BSG and SG:Atlatis will be ending before long. Sci-Fi grabs series, gets its fans then kills the show and does it all over again; it's their motto.
- mavjop, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Taking a chance on a new show is like playing chicken.
Fox spends a lot of money on a souped-up car, and then the second the other guy starts his engine, they flinch. They never get to see if they would have prevailed.
They shouldn't invest the time and money in the first place if they're not going to even try and compete. - maryquesera, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1There's one in the planning stages for Ann Arbor for September. Details will be linked from the main site when available.
- korvan504521, on 10/12/2007, -1/+299% of what scifi shows is absolute drivel. who the hell WATCHES all those god awful movies that are on whenever i check to see if stargate or bsg is on it. >
- ZeroReiMaru, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1It's signal. SIGNAL!
- dvandewalle, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1yea, it's a shame Fox wants to make money off of the shows they run
- sbgunn, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3@ilyag
Sometimes the maturity of certain Digg users saddens me. You make a comment that gets buried, then post a second comment just to complain. Blocked. - Herolint, on 10/12/2007, -6/+4BSG deserves to be cancelled though. It was really good its first season, kind of dwindled a bit in its second season, and got completely stale and boring in the third season.
Personally, I don't understand America's obsession with shows that run on and on for 10 seasons. Things are bound to get old and stale after that long. When I lived in Japan, one of the things I really liked about their TV shows is that most of the dramas only last a predetermined number of episodes. It might be a show that runs for 3 months, or maybe even up to a year, but then the show ends. It has a predetermined beginning and end so they don't run into the problem where writers can't think of anything new. The shows tend to be better that way, I think. - toasty168, on 10/12/2007, -11/+9the series is very anti-facist which rings true with some people in regards to the current administration.
- Kestrel, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0@lordigor -- that's your opinion and I'm more than willing to admit when you're wrong. I'm not averse to main characters dying or being otherwise eliminated; many of my favourite shows have done it and done it well, but this was simply not one of those times. Whedon is a one-trick pony who does the same story over and over... and without Tim Minear (who did far more writing on the FIREFLY series than Joss Whedon), he fell back into the same rut... get a waif of a girl to beat the crap out of assorted ugly bad-guys a la Buffy, resulting in nothing more than a River the Reaver Slayer movie.
The basic premise of SERENITY was fine...I loved the explanation of the Reavers, but absolutely everything else was wrong. Typical Whedon crap. -
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