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- n0c0ntr0l, on 02/22/2008, -2/+86That passage does highlight one of the main reasons I now boycott the record industry. Artists and writers are not getting enough damn money. Why is it that the middle man gets 95% of the money for something that isn't even of their initiative. Things have got to change.
- Vodka2389, on 02/22/2008, -2/+75Personally, I download stuff because I prefer to get it free instead of paying.
...but whatever makes you sleep at night. - mweels, on 02/22/2008, -7/+55I canceled my cable about 2 years ago. When I go to peoples houses I cant beleive the ***** they watch. Every other commercial is a drug dealer. Everyone selling this ***** and that *****, bunch of worthless energy.
I have been happy for two years now with my $90 xbox XBMX and u-torrent/easyforshizzynews - inactive, on 02/22/2008, -27/+68Want to pirate T.V. shows? Great, have at it. But at least spare us the sanctimonious, self-righteous ***** about how your actions are "justified" because "television sucks". Right... television sucks, so you're ripping it off. That makes just tons of sense. A lack of sufficiently good (in your mind) television shows OBVIOUSLY justifies ripping off the creators of the few decent ones out there. I think I'll use the same excuse to justify stealing a Ferrari: "But officer, there's so many crappy cars out there, that I felt I could only express my indignation by stealing a good one!" Hypocritical *****.
- f4nt0m4s, on 02/22/2008, -2/+34I gave up on TV after Fox pulled the plug on Titus...Family Guy....Futurama....Firefly...Arrested Development....
I'm working on buying all my favorite shows on DVD, usually it's worth it. As far as TV goes, it's just easier to torrent your favorite show. There are too many scheduling issues and lame commercials that make watching network TV annoying as hell. I still watch some sports and reruns of Seinfeld, but 9 out of 10 new shows are crap. Networks have taken the easy way out. I guess if crap sells you can't blame the networks, blame the people that have sunk to the level of enjoying the crap. - kastlip88, on 02/22/2008, -4/+33I don't even use my television anymore. I have everything I need right here on the internet.
- SemiSarcastic, on 02/22/2008, -2/+26I honestly prefer DVDs. Whether downloading is the wave of the future or not, I want my media to be in a tangible state, not something that can be just as easily be deleted or altered on my computer.
- rey1867, on 02/22/2008, -2/+19yeah, thats the reason everyone downloads stuff from torrents
people are just too proud to admit it - say592, on 02/22/2008, -4/+19Exactly.
I LOVED the writers strike. They are finally getting some of the money they deserve. Its still not enough though.
I have no problem with downloading, and I encourage it. Why should we pay the RIAA/MPAA for ***** they dont create? - reed311, on 02/22/2008, -3/+15Ok, so artists aren't making enough money and that is why you download stuff. Well, by downloading stuff, they aren't even getting ONE PENNY. At least by purchasing the CD or DVD, they are getting something.
People who pirate use that excuse, but it's really about their own self-interests and not the artists. - slvrbullet87, on 02/22/2008, -2/+13Even if the director and actors get almost nothing directly from you buying the DVD, you prove that there is interest in the show and therefore allow it to continue. If the show continues then the people stay employed.
- SemiSarcastic, on 02/22/2008, -0/+10Why use it when I already have the DVDs?
- sirbeta, on 02/22/2008, -6/+16Sad this guy is getting dugg down, since for the majority of users, he's dead on...
- inactive, on 02/22/2008, -4/+14OK..so people who make their money off torrents is saying that TV is crappy. And this should be taken as unbiased WHY, exactly?
- SemiSarcastic, on 02/22/2008, -10/+20Watch out there, that logic will get you dugg down. BTW this site is also pro-Pirate Bay.
- msqueak, on 02/22/2008, -7/+17But I'd bet you would make an exact copy of a Ferrari if you could. Don't worry your not alone. Bumblebee had no problems copying another car in Transformers.
- juzz101, on 02/22/2008, -4/+13Some cable prices are almost outright extortion ... and how much of that money actually goes to the creators of the GREAT shows? Screw cable!
- HotGore, on 02/22/2008, -3/+12Downloading shows is much nicer. No advertising, TV that fits me anytime, and if I miss an episode I can just go get it. None of this is possible unless I buy a DVR.
- BlaenkDenum, on 02/22/2008, -5/+14Haha. I've never ever had cable, at first because of economic situations but eventually because I have no need for it. I stopped 'watching' TV about 6 years ago, which was when I started using the Internet (Yes, unfortunately until then I got a computer). Every now and then I sit down on the couch and look at it for 10 minutes max but eventually I go back here. It's funny because I was just thinking about this. I remember people used to say, 'I'll soon get rid of my TV' and what not, the thing is, I haven't watched TV in a long time and I'm sure it's the case with many other avid users of the Internet. I do use TV BitTorrent feeds for a few shows, namely the daily show and family guy, and that's it. The Internet is my favorite medium, the perfect one. With it I have access to last minute news, UNBIASED; /I/ choose what to believe. I have access to countless content, which fills up my entertainment appetite just better than the manufactured entertainment that we get from TV.
At first people were hoping that the quality of indie entertainment would improve, but now it's great. I mean, even Diggnation which is nothing but a camera and two guys, is amazingly fun. With the Internet I also have access to BitTorrent from which I can access anything I could ever dream of, and legal things too such as music from the band Yukka, who are one of the many who are starting to adopt BitTorrent (I highly recommend them, they uploaded their latest album to Mininova).
With people realizing that it's the middleman who are ruining it for everyone and not 'pirates', more and more will begin to take part in our practices, until eventually we win, it's inevitable. It's a movement that is taking place, a revolution, an enlightenment. People are realizing that the crap that the RIAA and bros feed them is nothing but lies and that the actual people who deserve the money are getting barely any of it, not because of us, but because of these organizations. With other things, it will happen whether they like it or not, until they are /forced/ to adapt in their last ditch effort to take advantage of the situation and somehow make a profit.
I'm not trying to make this a 'wonderful' post or anything, I'm just really enthusiastic over the Internet and its culture, and I really trust it, I like many grew up with it. Ignorance is bliss and horror to those informed. We're informed, and we're in the information age, knowledge is power. Success is inevitable. Corporations are slowly being forced to acknowledge the Internet and it scares them, because in the Internet, the people rule. - kalisam, on 02/22/2008, -1/+9I was with you there right up until you said American Gladiators
- GorillaCowboy, on 02/22/2008, -11/+19So instead of giving the artists and writers SOME money, you choose to give them no money.
Nice logic. - stoanhart, on 02/22/2008, -8/+16Just because that's your opinion doesn't make it everyone's. I personally download ***** because I can't stand to watch TV (a view which was reaffirmed during my last stay in a hotel). I feel bad for the people losing out on the money they deserve, but I can't stomach the though of paying for cable. It's like being robbed and paying for the privilege.
As soon as shows start appearing DRM free at torrent quality, at about $0.50 per 20 minute show, and $1.00 per 40 minutes show, I will happily pay. At those rates the show could make mountains more money if they just cut out the middle man. Maybe someday "studios" will actually be studios. They have a building full of top-notch cinema equipment and you rent it if you want to produce a show, and sell/distribute the results however you like for whatever you want (since it's your show). - Niightwitch, on 02/22/2008, -2/+10I totally agree with you....download if you want to do it, but please don't use these lame excuses to justify your theft. Acknowledge that you're downloading the stuff because you want it, but don't want to pay for it.
- hexydes, on 02/22/2008, -2/+10So rich black men, or rich Asian men, or rich hispanic women aren't also to blame?
I don't think you necessarily needed to throw the race comment in there. The problem stems from the top, and involves people of all colors, religions, and backgrounds. But it goes past that; it isn't just the people, it's the system as a whole. The record industry, the movie industry, and the television industry, all were created 75+ years ago, in an age where technology meant music coming from a vinyl disc, movies meant paying 10 cents to go see a double-feature, a news reel, and a cartoon, and watching TV meant replacing the vacuum tube in the back and firing the set up 10 minutes before the show started so you could watch it in black and white on a 3-inch screen. In all cases, there were huge distribution limitations as well. The only way to get music out was by radio (limited bandwidth) or music stores (limited shelf space). The ONLY way to get a movie out was in the theater, which usually had two screens if you were lucky. The only way to get TV out was over the air (HUGE bandwidth limitations).
We've changed. Technology has evolved. Limited bandwidth, limited physical space, and limited ability to market your product have basically eroded into nothing over the past two decades, thanks in huge part to the Internet. Our media industry is full of people and mechanisms that grew up in an era before that technology existed. A few of them get it, but for the most part, they see it as a threat, something they need to compete against, not use as a tool.
So don't blame race, or even individuals. Our industry is broken, and needs to be torn down to the ground and built anew. Don't stop downloading; rather, encourage others to investigate it and start it as well. Help them to learn. Eventually, when it is accepted as the societal norm, the industry will be stripped naked and stand in front of the masses awkwardly, ashamed of what it has become. It is at that point that the problems will be recognized on a whole, and we can begin to move into the new future. - prth8machine, on 02/22/2008, -1/+8You were doing alright until "American Gladiators".
- moush, on 02/22/2008, -2/+9Pretending you're a martyr for illegal downloading is going a little far though.
- CaviMike, on 02/22/2008, -1/+8I'm not as happy for P2P for free the stuff, it's for the stuff that I never would have been able to see otherwise.
- inactive, on 02/22/2008, -0/+6I don't know. I don't have the internet.
- Rahodeb, on 02/22/2008, -3/+9Yeah, a boycott is when you don't buy something in protest, not when you take it and don't pay for it. Don't get me wrong, digital theft is not the same as stealing a physical product, however there are laws against it, and you are undermining your own ethics by doing so.
Honestly, most people are just trying to get away with something that they know you have very little chance of getting caught at when they download music. This moral high ground crap is BS. These businesses employ a lot of people and have spent a lot of time and effort creating the ability to promote and sell albums, and they are very good at it. In fact, if you listen to the crap that is selling a million albums these days, you'll realize that they are probably more important than the artist in generating that income.
The way a capitalism deals with unfairness of pay is through competition. If you really cared, you would either buy music in electronic format only, or only from Indie labels only, or else start your own label and pay the artist a bigger cut to attract talent. - stoanhart, on 02/22/2008, -2/+8Were necessary.
- Peko, on 02/22/2008, -0/+5I see what you're saying, but it's not entirely about the "free". Look at iTunes. It isn't free and people still use it. Because it does address some of SilverBlade's issues. Convenience, utility, 'fair price'. Any half brained wired person can figure out how to torrent most popular albums, but still you find people chosing something like iTunes cuz it's close enough.
I can see similar potential for television. Release single shows in a reasonably portable format at a reasonable price. Need the newest episode of Lost? That's $2. And it comes in a format which can be burnt to a DVD (if you like) or viewed fullscreen on your computer (if you like) or put on your portable device (if you like). If the networks (or studios) did something like this, I'm sure there would be plenty of available market. But they get grabby - it's DRM'd so much it's almost unusable - the application to play/view/burn them is sketchy, there's an unrealistic time limit (watch it only once, or only in 24h)
Personally, I also think the networks, local affiliates and cable distributors are dragging their feet to maintain their position in the chain. A show starts at the production studio, then goes through the network, the local affiliate, and the cable before it gets to your home screen. Each step they get a percentage. And I assume it's pretty big ass $$. Think how much money some of these middlemen would lose if the production studio could skip em all and deliver straight to you. - MrFoof82, on 02/22/2008, -1/+6Lot of options actually. I buy the DVDs on sale, used, or eBay, rip 'em and H.264 encode em. Time consuming (compared to XviD) but plays well with the iPod and most all media extenders (XMBC, AppleTV, whatever).
Still have the media in the event something happens, but for less, and no fiddling with disks and having it all available on the go to boot. - harlowsmonkeys, on 02/22/2008, -3/+8"No. When you download music that you enjoy, you're more likely to tell a friend about it, then they'll tell their 3 friends"
And so all four of them go and download it. - paulsmith288, on 02/22/2008, -0/+5if she was alone - then that comment would be fair enough. However, look at this thread - lots of people download.
The demand is there , but no-one is supplying. - jmg703, on 02/22/2008, -3/+8I can understand your gripe about ads within the programs and ads on cable, but a $20 DVD is overpriced? Boo-hoo you have to sit through a 3 minute ad! Heaven forbid a writer who depends on his paycheck, which is nowhere near what the "stars" get, to support his family goes on strike and you have to miss your beloved TV show for half a season. If you can't afford to buy a $20 DVD then don't. If you can't sit through 3 minutes of ads then don't. No one is making you. But do you download pirated material? Why? Because you want to watch a show you enjoy? THATS what the "industry" has to offer, but your impatient ass can't sit through a commercial even though it costs you nothing out of pocket. You want something for nothing. It's called being a spoiled whinny brat. You don't even have to watch the commercials... go make a sandwich.
- bigbadghost, on 02/22/2008, -2/+7I agree with your comment on how lame the illegality of us ripping dvds that we own for our own personal use. However I don't agree with the second point about uploading clips, where will that stop, you upload this 5 minute clip, next person uploads a different clip and by the time all is said and done, you've got the whole movie in convenient little clips and it's no longer "for your own use". Don't get me wrong, I've always got a torrent coming down. I know it ain't right but do I really care? I want to be entertained and until I can legally have a midget locked in my basement wearing a monkey suit banging cymbals together...bit torrent will have to do.
- HaloZero, on 02/22/2008, -4/+9Most of TV is crap, I agree. But producers deserve their fair share. You think getting the money to produce the show, getting everything ready for the directors/actors and everybody else isn't worth something? They are the middle-men, but they are the middle-men that are required! I really don't think directors and actors are exactly the most business oriented people, they need help, thus producers.
Texting to "vote" though. Yah that's a complete scam.
Go ahead and digg me down. - yoda17, on 02/22/2008, -5/+10And I always get ripped for stating that I don't own or watch TV. Digg down away.
- moush, on 02/22/2008, -2/+7You're gonna get buried like no tomorrow but you're absolutely right.
- pradador, on 02/22/2008, -4/+8How is that any different than not wanting to pay? TV shows are already only for 1.99 a show, if you find that too expensive and still download, you like free instead of paying...
- Rahodeb, on 02/22/2008, -2/+6It's funny and sad that the cable company is the one that is providing most people with their broadband access, has a set top box in most homes, and still can't figure out how to deliver content the way people want it.
- inactive, on 02/22/2008, -1/+5TV viewship is relly not decreasng all that much. It is just that with more and more channels, it gets spread out more. But the total number of people viewing all channels is only slightly lower than ever. The internet in general is a big reason for that.
- dext3r, on 02/22/2008, -2/+6And Fox still sucks. None of the things you said are coming back on Fox, sans Family Guy.
- CaviMike, on 02/22/2008, -2/+6I still use my TV...as my other monitor.
- Hangly, on 02/22/2008, -1/+5Aye. The main reason I download TV is to keep the retarded out of my house.
I don't care if retarded is out there, doing its retarded stuff, but I' not going to install a pipe that sprays it all over my living room. - opticwind, on 02/22/2008, -2/+6It's intellectual property and therefore accounted under copyright laws. Make a copy, break the law.
- inactive, on 02/22/2008, -0/+4If it makes you feel better to justify it. I use the justification that its free and I'm cheap.
- SilverBlade2k, on 02/22/2008, -4/+8What the people want these days are 'A la carte' programming. Meaning..only paying for the channels they watch on a regular basis. So far, the cable industry AS A WHOLE always feeds us the same *****: "It would cost more." "The technology isn't there yet." "We just can't do it."
People don't want to pay $50/month for the very few channels/shows they do watch, and so, we go to usenet or torrents to fill the need. iTunes offers 'a la carte' but one problem..YOU CAN ONLY PLAY IT ON iTUNES. We want DRM-free shows that we can play whenever, where ever, and what ever device we want. Usenet/torrents offer that..cable/satellite/iTunes does not. Until they get it through their lead-filled skulls, we will simply 'rip off' the shows because of the freedom it offers. - nynety, on 02/22/2008, -1/+5Right now I am downloading 'No Country For Old Men' since it hasn't been released in India and I desperately want to catch it. I am also downloading the latest (4th) episode of Lost 'cuz I'd have to wait months for it to be aired over here. In addition, I am downloading the first season of The Simpsons since the channel doesn't show the older episodes any more and it is downright impossible to find DVDs of foreign TV shows in India.
So, is piracy justified in my case? - bdbr, on 02/22/2008, -2/+6As long as you're really boycotting it, you're making a good moral stand. I do the same thing with RIAA labels (there's plenty of other good music out there). If you're just taking their stuff and not paying for it because they consider you a criminal...well, what specifically about their incrimination is incorrect?
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