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- idiotic, on 10/14/2007, -9/+37why does mark cuban hate America?
- whorelock, on 10/15/2007, -3/+31Mark Cuban is also the genius who claimed that bittorrent was doomed.
- frenchkick, on 10/15/2007, -12/+37mark cuban is a douche
not just because of this
he just is - Brian48216, on 10/15/2007, -11/+30There isn't anywhere near enough ***** talking about Mark Cuban.
Yet people are so ready to ***** talk Al Gore.
For Shame. - CheeseburgerBro, on 10/15/2007, -0/+19There were comments, but they were redacted.
- WiZZLa, on 10/15/2007, -1/+11Mark Cuban financed the film.
I'm glad I was able to see the finished, "unredacted" version of the film months back; maybe it will be released uncut on DVD. - ZenMojo, on 10/13/2007, -2/+12For Viet Nam it was the bullet to the head of that Viet Cong soldier in cold blood. The media has been censored and been self-censoring for too long. The truth is harsh and violent and disturbing and horrifying and people will say, "It's enough to just know it happened." But it's not enough to "just know" because in the back of your mind you're filing it away as "just another thing," removing yourself to a sterilized position away from the fray. This is not snuff, this is not gore porn, this is reality.
- ZenMojo, on 10/15/2007, -3/+12But you don't know. For instance, I watched Fahrenheit 9/11 and as soon as I saw children with missing limbs and fathers crying over their dead children, I realized that the Iraq invasion was a nightmare. The post-war nation building is definitely an issue, but we killed so many people just going into Iraq that it's unbelievable.
Look, to put it simply, people just won't believe until they see it. They won't know. It won't register. It won't leave a mark. - blastradius, on 10/13/2007, -3/+11Redacted is garbage. I saw it recently at the Vancouver International Film Festival. The dialogue is poorly written. The acting is amateurish to the point of being painful the watch. De Palma is trying to make a statement but the film is so poorly made that it's lost in a most painful viewing experience.
- scabbers, on 10/15/2007, -6/+13Short answer is that nobody needs to see snuff pictures. If you've ever made the mistake of watching some video of terrorists cutting someone's head off, you'll agree that just knowing someone got their head cut off is PLENTY of info.
- ramganesh, on 10/13/2007, -3/+10its because of COPYRIGHT issues more than anything else...
see the IFP video of the news confrence in Youtube...
buried as not-true - foomandoonian, on 10/13/2007, -3/+10The legal ramifications make that a tough one for the producers. But it happened. Sometimes I think the truth is more important than the law, and this is clearly one of those times!
- crawf061, on 10/15/2007, -8/+14Mark Cuban is a producer?
- azprofessional, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Thats your opinion, free speech dictates he can have his own and as a respected film maker the public will be the jury on these claims. If the public is too stupid to see evident wrong doing and propaganda out of control, thats a separate issue.
- tdog138, on 10/13/2007, -2/+8Is everyone forgetting that Cuban took a big risk by producing the movie in the first place? Don't get me wrong, he is a douche, but cut him a little slack on this one.
- markross, on 10/15/2007, -0/+5...oh, and the Internet in general as well... "dead and boring" were his words, I believe.
- Lynxplus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4It's things like this that let me understand why terrorist want to kill us.
- misterhat, on 10/15/2007, -0/+4He owns HDnet, which is actually has pretty good syndicated material (reruns arrested development, enron: smartest guys in the room, etc) that also has some original programming, like Dan Rather's show, that I am sure are all produced in-house.
- Hittman6, on 10/13/2007, -1/+5Editing a movie isn't censorship. It's...editing a movie.
And De Palma sucks. He's done two good movies in his lifetime, and the rest are beyond horrible. - charlie55, on 10/13/2007, -0/+4thats nice, but we are talking about mark cuban. he happens to hate america because he is cuban.
- inactive, on 10/13/2007, -4/+8The argument was not about too much of the truth. It was about RESPECT for dead soldiers images.
And guess what? You accept money from a financial backer and you give up the right to get final cut. Cuban wants to make at least some of his money back. - satanatnmtedu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4And?! Scenes get cut from movies all the time.
- ibeetle, on 10/13/2007, -1/+5While "garbage" may be a little strong it does seem early reviews seem to agree with you.
I wonder if this controversy is being more manufactured than anything; to make the news, publicity, and get people into the theater?
Then release the unedited version on DVD in 6 months. - christor, on 10/13/2007, -0/+4WTF? You mean to say that making a movie about our own failures is irresponsible because it will embolden our enemies? What kind of Soviet-era thinking is this? You're right that tragedies happen in war. And we aren't even close to making a movie about each one. I'm not sure why we shouldn't be forced to see unredacted images of what we've done in Iraq every single day that we're there. Perhaps we'd conclude that what we're doing is worth the costs. But at least we'd have some better idea of just how horrific those costs are.
- Neiby, on 10/13/2007, -3/+7It's not censoring when the producer does it. It's called editing. it's censorship when the government does it. The producer has the right to make the film as he or she sees fit. You may not like what he did, but certainly has the right to do it. It's his film if he's paying for it.
- nytewalker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4No if, ands, or buts, any form of censorship is wrong. In the best case it keeps information from the public, in the worst case it dulls our sense of whats going on. As ZenMojo said, "just knowing" isn't enough. Seeing is what's believing, and until you see something you can not truly understand the situation.
As far as a terrorist recruiting film...listen up you ignorant, narrow minded morons whats creating "terrorists" is the American government thinking it has the right to invade and destroy counties that, while might have dicks running them, haven't attacked the US. - republicker, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4So from your statement I can assume you think that a ***** movie creates more terrorists than say, KILLING ATHIER ENTIRE FAMILY BY ACCIDENT. You are what is wrong with this country. You will learn eventually,, maybe on your knees, but you will learn one day, who the enemy is.
- Matthew720, on 10/13/2007, -0/+3If you thought an American made movie is what's going to incite hatred among people in the Middle East then you don't know what you're talking about. You see, people in the Middle East live with this kind of crap day in and day out, especially the 1 million Iraqis who are now dead thanks to the occupation of Iraq and the 4 million refugees. They experience the war first hand and you think they're going to wake up when they see their own suffering portrayed in a movie as if they had no idea what has been going on in the last 6 years? Are you serious? The U.S. and its allies have done enough damage in the ME to fill more than 1000 "propaganda" films. This movie surely isn't going to be the tipping point or a source from which Al Qaeda will borrow to show people the realities on the ground. Get real. If anything, it will be an eye opener to U.S. citizens who are sheltered thanks to our domestic media.
- christor, on 10/13/2007, -0/+3Good idea. Let's make propaganda films that show how vicious our enemies are, how righteous our cause is, and how virtuous our leaders are. You'd fit right in among the supporters of the North Korean regime. Soak it up, soak it up - whatever they tell you, soak it up. Nickymouse, freedom isn't free of discomfort, I'm afraid.
- Godlike, on 10/13/2007, -0/+3Because even those who care what others think don't always feel a need to share.
- Butros, on 10/15/2007, -1/+4A good producer gives their director the freedom to make the film without crapping all over it
- inactive, on 10/13/2007, -0/+3Isn't Mark Cuban bankrolling the new Loose Change? If so, this argument seems very strange
- kernel16, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Sounds like good times.
- briLo, on 10/13/2007, -8/+11",reportedly both because they don't have the legal right to show these people and also for fear that a family member might see a loved one's mangled corpse (but mainly the legal issue)." How does that means he hates America??
- ninjasteeve, on 10/13/2007, -1/+3and Dubya's crap can ruin the world.
- dondara, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2They don't need a recruiting film, they can just look around all the ***** the west has done and be pissed off. You act as though this is the worst thing we've done. It's not even close. Actions have consequences, we will all suffer them.
- goblindegook, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5I'm so glad you didn't complain about the low number of diggs.
- Godlike, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Too many soccer moms and old people want to be protected from reality. They want to believe that the world is a great place everywhere, and that nobody lives below their standard. Maybe it helps them sleep at night - either way it's the same sort of doublethink that the religious do every 10th sunday.
- andrew1193, on 10/13/2007, -0/+2"For Viet Nam it was the bullet to the head of that Viet Cong soldier in cold blood."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nguyen_Van_Lem:
"South Vietnamese sources said that Lém commanded a Viet Cong assassination and revenge platoon, which on that day had targeted South Vietnamese National Police officers, or in their stead, the police officers' families; these sources said that Lém was captured near the site of a ditch holding as many as thirty-four bound and shot bodies of police and their relatives, some of whom were the families of General Loan's deputy and close friend. (In some accounts, the deputy was a victim as well; in others, the number of murdered relatives were as few as six.) Photographer Adams confirmed the South Vietnamese account, although he was only present for the execution."
General Nguyen Ngoc Loan was a hero. - bat-21, on 10/15/2007, -0/+2DePalma already did this movie. It's called "Casualties of War" and it sucks ass.
- Try2BeBalanced, on 10/15/2007, -7/+9That's the bad thing about depending on other people's money...however, I don't think this makes Cuban a douche. He throws money at his basketball players and makes it an awesome place to play. He's outspoken, and sometimes annoying, but I like him.
- tgormtx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2=============================
I sa=d so====hing clever in this c===ent, but it w=s redacted. - christor, on 10/13/2007, -0/+2No, we can't wait until after the war. By that time, the necessary movie-making equipment will all have been consumed by the expansion of the sun. Seriously, though, dissent is critical, even in times of war. It's what makes us, you know, free. Now I know that you probably mean that De Palma *should* wait until after the war, not that he ought to be prohibited from making this now. At least I assume that's what you mean. Imagine though that you believed this war was morally and practically wrong. (I do, but maybe you don't. So just imagine it. For surely there would be some wars you'd be opposed to morally.) Would you still say that the very things that might increase public agitation for ending the war ought not be done?
- Pzycho, on 10/13/2007, -0/+2Douche Hakui?
- ProfessorLX, on 10/13/2007, -0/+2interesting parallel there, the nazis who enslaved and executed millions of civilian jews and 5 american soldiers who committed a disgusting crime against a family, this incident has no more in common with the holocaust than your oven at home does.
- BohicaTwentyTwo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I liked the movie better when it was called Casualties of War.
- TexMurphy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I hope this movie gets lots and lots of attention.
- nazzman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It may suck, but producers don't "censor" films. They are like publishers on newspapers. The interference may not be welcome but whatever goes on is mostly their call.
- Neiby, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Literally all the time. Every movie gets edited.
- Godlike, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2None, that blood is on the hands of the administration that started an unwinnable, undeclared war against an undeclared enemy.
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