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- DymnDog, on 04/21/2008, -23/+422I was unimpressed at the hype this movie was trying to generate. But when one of the scientists interviewed for this movie was banned form seeing it at a public showing, it became clear which side was part of a cover-up.
- inactive, on 04/21/2008, -102/+458ben stein is a real p.o.s. he claims to be an intellectual yet supported bush. those two things do not equate.
- DeepFriedFetus, on 04/21/2008, -91/+328Did Ben Stein actually think he was going to make money off of this? I mean, he's defending "intelligent" design, the de facto delusion for Christ-crazy rednecks who aren't exactly the movie-going demographic (they'll stick to their good ol' Nascar, thank you very much), while alienating and outraging anyone with an IQ over 100 and a shred of common sense. Who's going to see this movie?
- thinkjones, on 04/21/2008, -32/+191Glad to hear that this documentary with dubious writers, performers and deceitful intentions makes next to zero. Hopefully this pseudo-scientific garbage will end up in the trash ASAP.
- admantor, on 04/21/2008, -15/+151people have the right to believe and debate what they want; which Ben Stein is CORRECT on; which follows under Free Speech. people dont have the right to take any crazy idea (like creationism) to a school or college and expect people to accept and incorporate it which Ben Stein is WRONG on; which does not follow under Free Speech.
- MattCruikshank, on 04/21/2008, -13/+143My mom was all excited about this movie, and suggested that we go to it. I said, "MOM, he really believes in Intelligent Design! It's not a satire!" My mom was shocked - she didn't believe me.
I wonder how many of the people who went to see it this weekend were similarly tricked. - chrissku, on 04/21/2008, -26/+120Buehler
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Buehler - inactive, on 04/21/2008, -24/+116This may sound insane, but I highly recommend this movie.
My wife and I were crying of laughter the whole time.
Bad documentary, hillarious comedy. - Bilabrin, on 04/21/2008, -19/+95Hell, even "Passion of the Christ" sold with that crowd. How bad does your movie have to be if even those guys won't come see it?
- pintomp3, on 04/21/2008, -15/+89how did they get so many theaters to carry that drivel? that's more than twice as many as sicko.
- whodoes, on 04/21/2008, -10/+80except that Uwe stacks his flicks with hot chicks...
Uwe Bole : 1
Ben Stein : 0
Science : 42 - littleodie914, on 04/21/2008, -23/+93I propose starting an obligatory "***** BEN STEIN"
- swantonamobay, on 04/21/2008, -13/+78This movie has a 9% on rottentomatoes lol
- ClemsonPoker, on 04/21/2008, -24/+72Thank God (pun intended)...I was worried that this hack job was going to influence people. I'm glad to see that for once, my view of humanity was too pessimistic.
- kingmanic, on 04/21/2008, -3/+50No, the movie is trying to play the "prejudice" card by drastically distorting the truth but failing spectacularly. The freedom to explore ideas exists but the freedom from critical analysis doesn't. Thus ID exists as a idea but isn't taken seriously because it's premises had been proposed, scrutinized and found wanting more then a century and a half ago.
- BohicaTwentyTwo, on 04/21/2008, -12/+58Ben Stein isn't trying to make money, he is trying to stir controversy. Every time you digg a story about Expelled, whether its pro or con, Ben Stein wins.
- breckinshire, on 04/21/2008, -2/+43Um, he's sick. My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Ferris pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious.
- Risingashes, on 04/21/2008, -4/+45One word: Religion.
- phlezk, on 04/21/2008, -9/+50Ben's an idiot. I've never heard an athiest mention "lightning striking a puddle of mud" before.
- Orion682, on 04/21/2008, -3/+41Just because we came from apes doesn't mean we're godless :) Even the ***** pope doesn't have a problem with the theory of evolution. It's the answer to how, but not necessarily why.
(Not that I believe in God per se, but evolution doesn't disprove God) - Orion682, on 04/21/2008, -1/+38Free Speech != Scientific Method
Ben Stein is essentially whining that ID is laughed at, but the fact is that it's not laughed at because of the premise, but rather because there's absolutely no hard evidence whatsoever in support of it. If they came out and said "Look, this is irrefutable evidence of Intelligent Design" then that's one thing, but they have nothing and are surprised that they're a joke in the scientific community.
In science, you can say anything you want, but if you have no evidence to support it, then no one cares what you have to say. - IHaveIssues, on 04/21/2008, -5/+40Hahhahahahahahah!!! Using WND as a crebible source. Fail!
- johnhummel, on 04/21/2008, -1/+36Sorry, but you brought up the first most obvious mistruth: "People are being fired from their positions simply because they are inquiring about it".
*****. Not a single person has been able to prove that, even in the documentary. Usually, it goes like this: Person is hired to be a scientist. Person does badly at their job of "science", which has the whole "hypothesis, experiment, publish result". Usually people in the ID field want to go from "hypothesis" right to "publish results."
Person is told "Hey, do some ***** experiments and prove your results, or you're going to get fired."
Person complains "Waaaah - you're attacking me because of my controversial position!"
Administrators reply "No, we're firing you because you haven't proven your work. You're sloppy. You are failing to do the job we pay you for. So you're fired."
Then along comes Ben Stein trying to make this a first amendment issue. Sorry, but it doesn't follow. If I hire a carpenter to fix the railings in my house, and turns out he wants to use a claw hammer to sand everything and it looks crappy - then I'm going to fire his ass. If I hire a programmer to do C++ work, and he tells me that Python is so much better, sorry, but I wanted a C++ programmer for specific reasons. If you can't do your job, find another line of work. If you don't want to do the work of a scientist, stop trying to say you are one. - Coven, on 04/21/2008, -5/+40Nice work Jimbo. Rebut one biased article with another biased article. You don't help your argument at all. WND posts the numbers for the entire weekend. Rawstory shows the numbers for Friday alone.
- Bilabrin, on 04/21/2008, -5/+40WND is not a credible source for news. I saw an article a few years ago entitled "WMD's found in Iraq!" It was up for several days and then disappeared.
- pintomp3, on 04/21/2008, -3/+37they are laughing too, they got your money.
- inactive, on 04/21/2008, -3/+36Oh yeah, don't pay this man. That'll just encourage him.
But seriously, it's an hour and a half of the dumbest people on earth making the stupidest arguments you've ever heard and then acting real proud of themselves, with a smug look that says "yes, peanut butter does prove creationism" - rudy23, on 04/21/2008, -29/+61either ways. not being michael moore is a compliment
- bimtott, on 04/21/2008, -3/+35"Passion of the Christ" was not pretending to be a documentary
- kaanstikle, on 04/21/2008, -0/+30That was PZ Myers..
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/ - nymphetamine, on 04/21/2008, -8/+38RTFA.
- Dumbledorito, on 04/21/2008, -4/+34The scientific method? Intelligent Design (which the movie IS about, and I think you're very well aware of that) isn't scientific at all.
You can't use ID to predict anything, it's not based on observable or testable data, and it isn't even a proper hypothesis. - bimtott, on 04/21/2008, -5/+34Evolution is the most rock-solid, throughly tested and proven hypothesis in the history of science; Newton's laws of physics have not survived under half as much scruitny. the need for a "freedom of inquiry" is stupid. It's like saying that there is a scientific consipiracy against the "possibility" that the sun rises in the West.
- AzBats, on 04/21/2008, -8/+36This isn't about making money - it's about pushing an ideology. The money is all a write-off I'm sure.
I know the Florida Legisature has been given special screenings and I'm sure other States' elected officials have had them to. - jellygraph, on 04/21/2008, -2/+30Get some science education. It's kind of idiotic to argue against something, when you have no understanding of it.
- songfire, on 04/21/2008, -3/+31Agree w/ the others. If you want to laugh, then pirate it. Post it all over the internet with a laugh track. Don't give these ***** a cent of your money.
- daggah, on 04/21/2008, -8/+35ID is not science, sorry.
- Chompy, on 04/21/2008, -1/+28Mel Gibson begs to differ.
- pintomp3, on 04/21/2008, -2/+29are you saying soy doesn't turn kids gay?
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=533 ... - ClemsonPoker, on 04/21/2008, -6/+33The WND article is not incompatible with the rRaw Story article. The movie is doing pathetically in both...heartbreaking for you, huh?
- 4321234, on 04/21/2008, -4/+31No. It doesn't.
- deepthot42, on 04/21/2008, -3/+29That's the funny part, when they were busy expelling this one scientist (Don't remember off the top of my head) ... no one recognized Dawkins who casually strolled in the theatre.
Do a YouTube search or something for more info. - brufleth, on 04/21/2008, -1/+27I am pretty sure that at least a small chunk of the people going to see it just didn't really know what was going on ahead of time. The commercials that were airing (at least in my market) did not clearly depict what the movie was about. It seemed more like it was a funny documentary or even "mockumentary" with Ben Stein. People could easily have misunderstood what it was they were going to see.
- BoneheadFarker, on 04/21/2008, -1/+26Ok, lets apply the scientific method.
Hypothosis: God created all life.
Tests: None.
Conclusion: Without the ability to test for the existance of God, the hypothosis must be changed to reflect this information.
This scientific method is a wonderful thing... - IHaveIssues, on 04/21/2008, -5/+30Wait for the torrent. I imagine the DVD will be out sooner than later and hence the DVD rip will be torrented. :-)
- ohplease, on 04/21/2008, -3/+27You cannot apply scientific method to ID. ID is a conclusion that you are trying to fit with evidence. This is 100 percent contrary to the scientific method, which is to observe phenomenon and come to a conclusion (a theory) based on the the evidence that presented. If you start with a conclusion then you are lost. Evolution became a theory because of research done on the adaptation of life forms to their environment in order to ensure their survival. ID is a conclusion dreamed up to make creationism sound sciencey to idiots who's lives will be shattered if their faith in a magic man that lives in the sky granting wishes is questioned.
- Coven, on 04/21/2008, -3/+26Friday's numbers had the movie at #8, the weekend chart at #9. I don't see how looking at Friday only made the movie look worse.
- deepthot42, on 04/21/2008, -3/+26If ID is false (i.e. there's no God) that doesn't mean life is automatically meaningless. It's only meaningless to IDs
That's just like... your opinion man. - SaintStryfe, on 04/21/2008, -0/+22People who are fired are not being fired for beliving in ID/creationism, they're being fired for not following guidelines, such as teaching standards (which call for evolution) or their experiments don't hold up.
And there's a big difference between "not 100% rejecting the possibility" and "believes in the possibility". He doesn't 100$ rejeect the possibility because he's a scientist. 120 years ago, a lot of people dismissed flight, and they were wrong. - logicalnoise, on 04/21/2008, -4/+26or they posted it friday which many entertainment sites do. It's called early estimates. Raw story just covered since ben is a political hack.
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