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- zloh, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1yeah but what about the other half ^^
- xr900xxx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1anyone who thinks that random people can't make good movies without some kind of education should get stuffed like a turkey.
anyone who thinks that hollywood turns out many
"good" movies every year should have their heads examined and cancel their cable subscription.
read a book, fu kers - xr900xxx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0i make indie films. booo.
- 0perator, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0http://www.shades.jeskid.com/
Excellent no budget movie.
I suggest you all check it out. - B111, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0indie movies have traditionally been where Hollywood gets a lot of movies. They'll see one at a festival and buy the rights, remake it or distribute it, and make a boatload (hopefully).
Indie filmmakers needed Hollywood to distribute (or fund more projects). But, just like its happening with IPTV and to some extent music, the distribution is becoming extremely cheap (thanks Bram!) and the major players are being left out in the cold, no longer needed.
This is no new relevation, I've been saying it since Napster, other as well. Thier motives are not to stamp out piracy, but to hold on to their paradigm. There's no mystical "DaVinci Code" going on here. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0yeah but half these idiots done even know how to make a good film....... you dont just pickup a camera and shoot.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Hollywood is like the titanic, we are all just waiting for it to sink
- Tweekster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0snork:
as opposed to those in hollywood?
i mean seriously, look at that garbage for a moment and ask yourself, can anyone do any worse? - Cheirdal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I don't think Hollywood cares about home made movies. They do really have a stick up their butt about illegally sharing their copyrighted works though.
- aardwolf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0While it's far from mainstream, IPTV/Vidcasts are taking off and I for one believe its the most exciting thing to hit the Internet since the bust (Don't flame Web2.0 fans). I'd rather watch homebrew shows like CommandN, Open Alpha, & WASD than tune into prime-time reality TV. It's called an idiot box for a reason. Anyway, I may be a bit bias :)
--Darren
http://www.hak5.tv - Laythor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The fact that hollywood studios even give this a second thought shows just how far out of touch they are with reality. People go to the movies and buy DVDs to see actors/actresses the like, big budget film that have been hyped, or they go for the whole movie experience. One day the studio might learn, I wonder if it will be too late.
- craigtheguru, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The points in this article are spot on and the lessons apply to hollywood and the music industry, as well as other areas too. Video and computer games too are being developped more and more by small timers. It'll be interesting to see where we are in a few years. Hopefully by then a formal yet independent distribution system will exist and we can bypass as much greed as possible.
- ihate2regist, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0NBM http://www.novim.us/somethinganything
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Where does Hollywood stand on Backyard Wrestlers?
- sork, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Yay! Now even more people with no talent can make movies!
*ahem*
yay! Now even more people can make movies, so the odds of getting a good one are higher! - kyote, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0considering how crappy most movies in the theater are, I don't see how indie producers can do worse. I hate to admit it, but the last movie I saw in the theater was episode iii. I do plan on going to see the harry potter and "the lion, the witch, and the wardrobe" when they come out. but, that's it.
- Duston, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I believe that like the Internet's young days there was many sites with 0 "quality" content. Then came the search engines, WebCrawler, AltaVista, et al. When finding content that was worth your time became easier the medium exploded. I truly feel that when this happens outside of local news and events the Cable company becomes marginalized and relatively useless. (unless you have no other form of broadband)
Just my two cents. - Nerd_Greg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+05 years from now "Vingle" from Apple which is pretty much going to be itunes but for everything. It's going to be set up just like pod/vid - casts on the current iTunes.
Currently the problem with having the number 1 podcast on itunes is the bandwith. So what apple is going to do to help out the casters of the world is add them to the "TV show" and have it be .50 to download a podcast 25c goes to the podcaster and 25c goes to apple to help them out on bandwidth.
So in the future I see the downfall of TV and the Hollywood system as we know it today. Filmmakers will make programs for download with high def. $12 bucks to download Batman in HD will be something that everyone will be doing. - maloney_633, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0good read
- Tazwolff, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0It's not just Hollywood that's on the path to shut down any and all P2P applications, it's the RIAA and record cos too.
Have a read of this eWEEK article: http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1877184,00.asp?kc=EWRSS03119TX1K0000594
The way it is written it makes you out to be a law breaker for using any P2P application without approval. It's also worded in a way that P2P is only used for music. Nothing could be further from the truth. P2P is used everyday to distribute some of the most popular podcasts, Linux distros, and other independently created legal works. Works that could never be made available to everyone because the creators can't afford to shell out thousands of dollars for the bandwidth it would take.
This is their ultimate goal, to prevent the distribution of private works by regular people. They want to make it so that only the select few that can afford 3-4 thousand dollars a month in bandwidth can distribute their works. - artofwot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I agree with some of the points the author made, and disagree with others. At this point, independent no-budget films post absolutely no threat to the movie industry. While it's a lot of fun for college students to go out and shoot a 5 minute movie in 10 minutes, they're not trying to take on Hollywood.
However, it's getting easier and easier to make high quality and theater quality content as post production gets cheaper.
The bottom line is that you can make an amazing movie with $0, and you can make a crappy movie with $0. You can make an amazing movie with $5 million, and you can make a crappy movie with $5 million. It all depends on the person.
I may have contradicted myself somewhere during my comment, but I was sort of working out my comment as I typed. - lollerskates, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Hollywood: Oh noes! Regular people on the internet are making betting films than we are!! What do we do?
MPAA: Use DMCA. All your filesharing are belong to us. Ha ha ha.
Hollywood: Genius! Now we can continue to spew out our *****! - Deguello, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Greenlight that Indie...Art must LIVE!
- cambrown99, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I've been saying this for years--it's not about piracy. It's NEVER been about piracy. it's about control. That's why the RIAA and the MPAA are shutting everything down. Piracy is just their excuse to prevent a world in which anyone, anywhere, can make, distribute, and, yes, even profit from their own works of art with no middlemen taking most of the revenue.
- generalleoff, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I think this was obvious for some time now. Both the MPAA and RIAA are really fighting "piracy" just so they can kill the technology that's making there respective business models obsolete.
Today any garage band can have a successful music career independent of the RIAA distribution chains and anyone with a consumer level camcorder can make a high quality movie bypassing the MPAA and movie industry unions. Though getting screen time might be hard still cuz the MPAA can still strong arm the theater owners.
The RIAA is more obsolete then the MPAA and thus has more to fear with the new technology and the consumers changing tastes. Back in the 1980's it was "Video Killed the Radio Star". Today it's "Internet Killed the Video Star". - jhaitas, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Screw Hollywood... They wouldn't know a good movie if it bit them on the ass... Spider-Man 2 nominated for best picture... nuff said
- markbosky, on 05/23/2008, -0/+0This was very well written.
- themachina, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I work at a major studio, and this article overstates the situation. The market's evolving, which is good, and with luck it'll result in a better overall product, which is also good. Studios and indie benefit each other; neither's about to disappear.
- 5blocksfree, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0To sum up what others have been saying...
Yes, it's easy for any dilitante to pick up a camera and think they're the next big thing. But by far the biggest thing that plays in the favor of indie films is that technology is quickly removing the barrier of entry. I'd like to see someone give birth to something that might eventually compete with the likes of Disney. I'd cry real hard knowing that they weren't the only game in town when it comes to animated features. Wait...no I wouldn't. - mancat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0As a Yank i have to say that many film from the UK suck .....
... Since Brit films lack the budget of US movies they tend to suck ass...
.. So this gets my digg! :) ++++ - JAFFA, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0As a Brit i have to say that many film from the US suck .....
... Although Brit films lack the budget of US movies they tend to be written better...
.. So this gets my digg! :) ++++ - vorpal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"To me the great hope is that now these little video recorders are around and people who normally wouldn't make movies are going to be making them. And suddenly, one day some little fat girl in Ohio is going to be the new Mozart and make a beautiful film with her father's camcorder and for once, the so-called professionalism about movies will be destroyed, forever, and it will really become an art form." - Francis Ford Coppola, 1991
- WonkoTheSane, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Nerd_Greg:
of course apple could also add Bit torrent support to Itunes.
That would help reduce bandwidth costs - V12engine, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I haven't seen a link to the Star Wreck -picture yet:
http://www.starwreck.com/
It's an example of the threat. The movie was made within 7 years in a living room of an apartment.
It's free to download. Check it! - bshock, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The sooner Hollywood dies, the better for everyone who enjoys quality entertainment.
Don't think about it too hard, Hollywood film executives. Clearly you contemptible half-wits still believe that "quality" means "money" or "star power" or some such nonsense. Just sit back, relax, and consider how you would be so much happier in real estate sales. - Superc00kie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Another great indie sitcom:
http://www.spoonfullofpoo.com/nagy/ - IraqManiac, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0hollywood/RIAA/MPAA are douchebags
- anewbreedcinema, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0It takes hollywood contacts to place our movies in theatres. That is my fear. We can fight back online but mainstream is going to be hard. Here is our latest!!
THE LEGEND of CROWN KING
http://www.crcpictures.com/video/CK_trailer.wmv - 5blocksfree, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@ Operator
Thank you for posting this link - I managed to watch a little more than half the movie before I dorked with by browser window and ended up having it start from the beginning again. I will watch it over, though. Very nice work from this guy. - bedouin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The hope that a participatory media would emerge along with the Internet has been a dream that's only began to surface recently, mostly in the form of blogs. The advent of easy to use blogging software helped that to happen.
Now podcasting (video and audio) is emerging, and starting to become easy enough for the average joe to use. The revolution will not be televised.
P2P is only one distribution method out of many for an independent musician or filmmaker. Web hosting is cheap. Best of all, creating 'street buzz' can be accomplished just by asking people on a forum to check out your work; one could *give away* his or her DVD/CD on the street with nothing more than a web address on it, where further material could be found.
HOWEVER -- everyone is missing a *BIG* point. Yes it's true everyone who picks up a camera will not make a masterpiece at first, but at least he *CAN* pick up the camera, and he *CAN* distribute his work and receive feedback. In the past doing this meant taking significant financial risks, or searching for outside funding. Have you ever investigated how much it costs to shoot on real film? The average person could never make that kind of investment just to experiment.
I created a couple educational videos in graduate school. I'm currently working on a documentary. My first attempt will likely lack some professionalism, but I tried my best, and read as much as I could about the genre. The second time around I'll likely improve though, and the third time, the fourth time . . . etc.
Now, one might argue that the previous high financial requirement to make a film helped to filter out the serious from the hobbyists; that could be true. So what if we happen to end up with more crap, will you suddenly become any worse at determining it's not worth your time to view? Did you have any problem ignoring those beautiful Geocities pages with yellow text on a pink background and animated GIFs that plagued the Internet in the late 90s? Probably not. A little more garbage is okay if it means original and new ideas get in the door that otherwise wouldn't have. - Lil0ne, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0yep.. we are!! http://www.WASD.tv
- xr900xxx, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0unitedcypher.com
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0no what im saying is the market is saturated by ***** who think that by picking up a camera they are instantly an artist so its hard to find stuff thats not ***** typical art house *****.
- goldenratiophi, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0You people that think that indie films can't be good... haven't you ever heard of Knox Korner? http://www.knoxskorner.com/
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