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- Dawnofanewday, on 12/03/2007, -19/+119I'm so glad to hear that I'm not the only one sick of Hollywood thinking that they think like the rest of mainstream America!
- sturat, on 12/03/2007, -13/+70I think that we're all so tired of the war. We have war fatigue. Now it's being packaged as entertainment? Geeze, give it at least 10 years after the end of combat operations. Ugh.
- MutatedNantuko, on 12/03/2007, -13/+45After seeing "The Kingdom" I can definitely agree with this; that movie was trash.
- kitwaites, on 12/03/2007, -13/+44Perhaps finally people are appreciating that war isn't glorious, and that the sanitised version of war that Hollywood sees fit to show on the big screen is both sickening and disrespectful to those that have fought and lost their lives in conflicts.
- Devotia, on 12/03/2007, -2/+28Or it could just be we're sick of different variations on the same theme after the first 50 movies? Although really, I'm just glad that they didn't blame downloaders on a crappy movie getting the shaft at the box office.
- poidh, on 12/03/2007, -19/+42It's hardly surprising. Hollywood lives in lala land.
- rupertmorris, on 12/03/2007, -11/+29I think the reason these movies bomb is because when you live in that world, you don't want to spend money watching the same depressing reality (or facsimile of it) on the big screen.
In times like these, we need a light comedy. - 10K422, on 12/03/2007, -2/+19as opposed to a straight homosexual?
- Cwo655321, on 12/03/2007, -3/+19redacted is pure trash too
- beantownsteppaz, on 12/03/2007, -3/+19It was pretty much the worst movie I have ever seen in my life. And yes, I have seen Waterworld.
- valkyries, on 12/03/2007, -5/+20war fatigue from sitting in our chairs?
- pagit, on 12/03/2007, -4/+19Iraq War (Public Media Cynicisim + Public Political Cynicisim) + crappy movie production X overused plot line = 2 (Tired Genre + Tired Movie Goers)
- Y2JCrisis, on 12/03/2007, -7/+21Greatness is determined by box office success?
- libertao, on 12/03/2007, -3/+17Maybe it's just because they are BAD war movies, not because they ARE war movies.
- JohnDakota, on 12/03/2007, -8/+20I'm glad that the stars in hollywood finally realize they dont represent anyone but themselves. Their 2 bit educations don't mean anything, and they should do their jobs entertaining us, rather than teaching us about the world. Leave the teaching to academics, and the learned, not the sheltered and the biased.
- MSweerts, on 12/03/2007, -1/+12The 'dumbing-down' of the American educational system has been going on since at least the early sixties. The first sign of it was taking Latin out of the High School curricula. I noticed in the early 1980's that recent college graduates didn't know any more than I did graduating from high school in the mid-sixties. In the 1990's as a manager in a corporation, I had a little arithmetic test that I would give to prospective employees as part of the job interview. A question like "express 1/8 as a percentage" was missed by 99% of applicants. I had one trick question, at least that's what I called it after a while: "how many fluid ounces are there in a pound?" Again, this was missed by 99% of the applicants. I would call our educational system 'criminally negligent'. That's my take on it, anyway.
- roomforpanic, on 12/03/2007, -1/+11Tom Cruise? No thanks.
- blazes816, on 12/03/2007, -2/+12Woah! Homosexuals are fine, except those gay ones. This can not stand!
- CrazedLeper, on 12/03/2007, -17/+26That's not it. Hollywood knows that the rest of America will be led by *its* thinking. After 3 generations of filling the country with it's filth, HOLLOWood has sufficient evidence that by staying SLIGHTY AHEAD of the curve, it has the power to thus shape and direct the consciousness, opinion and morality of the nation.
This attempt may have failed but they will calculate and attempt again. The principles of deception are sound and time tested and Americans fall for them 90% of the time. The odds are on their side. - Gamer2k4, on 12/03/2007, -1/+10I wouldn't say that at all. There are many classic war movies that are very enjoyable to watch, despite them being largely "Allies easily win against the Germans."
- kgibby, on 12/03/2007, -10/+19You truly believe Bush thought Saddam had WMDs? Im sorry, but I don't buy that. The US government spends hundreds of billions of dollars on the Defense Budget every year (this year it will be approximately $439 billion), and I should believe that the CIA and FBI somehow obtained faulty information, that they relayed to the President, which has decided our foreign policy over the past 4 years? Those agencies are under too much pressure and scrutiny to make such "mistakes."
And as far as your link goes, Al Gore's thought on Iraq and WMDs maes no difference. And that link is from 15 years ago, 11 years prior to our invasion of Iraq. The amount of knowledge of Saddam's WMD plans acquired between 1992 and 2003 is huge; the President of the US did not decide to invade Iraq in 2003 from intelligence from 15 years prior. - frmrchrstn, on 12/03/2007, -5/+13Sorry, dugg you down by accident. I was thinking of Syriana. Yeah, Kingdom did not look good. I liked Syriana, though.
- inactive, on 12/03/2007, -0/+7He plays the evil asshat, so it is fitting.
- ryodoan, on 12/03/2007, -1/+8 I would recommends Band of Brothers. While it is somewhat sanitized it is less than most. It also does not really have as much of slant in my mind.
- JettaMan, on 12/03/2007, -4/+11Even though people are digging this guy down, I agree. Hollywood will never give up trying to control the perceptions of people who see their movies. Usually they just stick little one-liners that scoff at you if you believe different from them. That type of limited propaganda within larger films is not going to stop.
- inactive, on 12/03/2007, -7/+14The us army had to wait a year before moving in. Saddam had wmd, he used some of them to murder the kurds. He had a whole year to get rid of them. Probably shipped to syria.. Clinton, gore, reno and notbright all said saddam had wmd and there was no doubt. So everybody must have lied. And the kurds were murdered by something else other than a wmd.
- Jamihabs, on 12/03/2007, -4/+11Apparently they know a stinker when they see one
- Jamihabs, on 12/03/2007, -11/+17Going to war was a bipartisan decision. Winning is the conservative decision.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_CepS8u9wQ - 5urr3al5am, on 12/03/2007, -3/+9No the simple and most straight forward answer is that Americans aren't buying the bull that Hollywood is selling. You can try to muddy the argument all you want, but if they saw truth in those movies they'd be blockbusters
- Pake, on 12/03/2007, -0/+6Don't blame just one politician when majority of them are guilty of accusing Iraq of having WMDs. We've been lied to since 1997 when Clinton first started the "OMG they are developing WMDs! We should totally bomb them right now!" As for the educational system, I prefer blaming the teachers union the most for the system being broke these days. They never even gave the NCLB Act as chance and we'll never know whether or not it truly would of worked because they'd rather put their unions interest ahead of the students.
"The amount of knowledge of Saddam's WMD plans acquired between 1992 and 2003 is huge" The amount of knowledge is the same amount of knowledge, plus more that Bush had. If Saddam had WMDs in 1998, he would of have them still in 2003. - Dumbledorito, on 12/03/2007, -6/+12And Donald Rumsfeld saying it was "confirmed" and that "we know where they are."
- inactive, on 12/03/2007, -8/+14I think Laura Ingraham's book 'Shut Up and Sing' got it right about political Hollywood.
- valkyries, on 12/03/2007, -8/+14the movie Home of the Brave, was probably one of the worst movies i have ever seen... they even had Samuel L. Jackson....
- Jamihabs, on 12/03/2007, -3/+8At least he's not a gay homosexual fag!
- TheSwashbuckler, on 12/03/2007, -10/+15"We weren't lied to."
We most certainly were lied to, e.g. Condi saying that the aluminum tubes "are only really suited for nuclear weapons programs, centrifuge programs." Our own nuclear experts in DOE said that wasn't true, but that didn't stop the Condi from L-Y-I-N-G to us. - jackkerouac, on 12/03/2007, -2/+7So, in other words, you want a propaganda movie, just one that serves up YOUR propaganda, not theirs, right?
- pyronik, on 12/03/2007, -2/+7Iraqi General Georges Sada says that the weapons were moved to syria with Russia's help. But I mean who reports that?
- GreatSunJester, on 12/03/2007, -2/+7Strangely when Hollywood makes a movie to ENTERTAIN, it makes money. When they PREACH, they don't make money.
Entertain = make money
Preach = don't make money.
Hollywood --- please repeat this as long as it take to penetrate your ideological barriers! - 5urr3al5am, on 12/03/2007, -0/+4They'll blame it on Bush and Global Warming
- AquaOSX, on 12/03/2007, -1/+5You're missing the point. These were bad movies that got bad reviews. My point being, this has nothing to do with war, hollywood politics, or whatever. This is simpler then that. These movies were poorly written, and any idiot can tell that.
There are tons of Hollywood movies that have made a lot of money and have been critical of war and or politics... but those movies were actually good. - redawgts, on 12/03/2007, -1/+5Just wait. They will.
- solid12345, on 12/03/2007, -0/+4I'm sorry but Hollywood doesn't get it. People go to the movies to escape reality, not get a political lecture. If I want politics I will pick up a copy of Time Magazine. Even war films that were successful in the past were successful because they were promoted as entertaining stories that happen to be set in a war not as political propaganda to make a point.
- Fieri, on 12/03/2007, -2/+6Yes, even though she is a imperialist warmonger, she's right. Even when we agree with you, Hollywood, get the ***** out of politics.
- thebaron2, on 12/03/2007, -0/+4It's usually a relatively good indicator. It may not DEFINE success, but any movie that opens to less than $1 mil probably isn't that hot.
- AquaOSX, on 12/03/2007, -3/+7There is an audience for smart movies that are critical about modern war, but these weren't smart, so don't expect people to see them. The fact that no one saw these movies is not an indication of some sort of greater political whatchamacallit. It's an indication of Matthew Carnahan's sucking.
Lions for Lambs and the Kingdom were both were both written by the SAME guy, Matthew Carnahan. Moreover, before these turds Carnahan had no other documented writing experience. He's the brother of some other crappy writer / director, and I imagine that's how he was able to shop his screenplays around. - brycelb, on 12/03/2007, -2/+6Since Hollywood is used to making fiction based movies I am sure they can satisfy your needs. They should have no problems fabricating the scenario you just laid out. In fact, most of the movies mentioned in the piece we similar works of fiction. It seems the disconnect is you probably see your outlined plot as being more closely tied to reality and the fact is, it's not. Your vision would fail just as this vision has. All of the movies mentioned in the article are ***** because they assume some higher level of moral authority. Obviously people are seeing right through this non-sense. Like it or not, the general populous is not a far left group. When Hollywood comes out of their stooper and once again understands this they will most likely return to making obscene amounts of money.
- beedo34, on 12/03/2007, -1/+5i think "the kingdom" was pretty badass.
and i used to live in the middle east and was amazed at how accurate the settings and characters were.
michael mann is a badass. - lordtyros, on 12/03/2007, -1/+5Not a double negative, just redundant.
- fpssledge, on 12/03/2007, -7/+10This isn't very fair. Just because a handful of crappy movies have been made doesn't necessarily mean that American's can agree on a certain political issue. It just means that a handful of crappy movies have been made and we have chosen not to see them.
- johneyoung, on 12/03/2007, -15/+18This was the best thing I've read all day. Hollywood and reality rarely intersect, most of the time to the benefit of the viewers, and this is one topic I'm glad it's recognized.
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