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- aroot, on 10/12/2007, -6/+56PiGuy: you really think $90 is a fair price for one season of a TV show?
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3 : an excessive or improper exaction : extortion - iruel, on 10/12/2007, -11/+45all the tv i watch now is downloaded, i'm currently watching the x-files do you know how hard and expensive it would be to track down all 9 seasons of the x-files? the only thing i watch on actual tv is sports, mostly hockey.
GO OILERS GO! - noisyb, on 10/12/2007, -4/+35This is FUD! TV was "pirated" all the time.... by VCR's!
Recording and sharing TV isn't even piracy when you have had the commercials removed, dammit!
Don't you people let you talk into such BS! - Scruffydan, on 10/12/2007, -7/+33This 90 dollars go to support poor actors like David Ducovney and Gillian Anderson.
Think of it like giving to charity... - vedichymn, on 10/12/2007, -5/+25This is a misleading article title. It's a survey done of Australians, by an Australian ISP. It lists a number of complaints about the TV networks that seem to be specific to Australia.
- Tyrekicker, on 10/12/2007, -3/+22WRONG! It is not a survey conducted by an Australian ISP. Whirlpool is an independant Australian broadband website. They conduct this 'state of Australian broadband' survey every year.
See the full survey results here:
http://whirlpool.net.au/survey/2005/
Although I agree the title is misleading. It should be "A third of Australian broadband users are TV pirates" - Chompy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+18Note to industry: this is what consumers want. Give it to us, and you can make money from it. Refuse (or waste millions trying to fight it), and we'll just take it anyway and you get bupkis.
- aroot, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16No, I don't think that $0 is a more appropriate amount to pay. What I'm trying to point out is that if the product costs too much, people will look elsewhere. You seem to have missed the part of iruel's comment that stated "do you know how hard and _expensive_ it would be to track down all 9 seasons of the x-files?" (emphasis mine)
- Paroparo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15What the companies should be thinking: "What is wrong with our business-model?"
What the companies are probably thinking: "How can we stop these damn dirty pirates?" - felchdonkey, on 10/12/2007, -5/+18Oh - I thought the title meant transvestite pirates. That would have been cool to see.
- templest, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Question: I download TV Shows all the time. (that's not the question)
*Although*, I *do* pay for all the channels where these TV Shows are being broadcast,
I just don't happen to be home when they're being aired.
Does that make me a pirate? (this is the question)
If not, then how can you safely assume that a good portion of those people surveyed,
aren't in my same position? (another question thrown in there, just for good measure) - ahatter, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12pirates watched tv?
- itsallgeektome, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10I don't think it's so much that they don't like you watching the episodes (As long as the commercials are intact). I think it's more of a matter of controlling the content and means of distribution.
- deepsub, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10It's not the pirates they should worry about.
It's the Ninjas.
Not that I would know anything about any of that... - CSflim, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14The advertisements on TV pay for the programs. So if you change channels during the breaks, that makes you a thief.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Just for the record, amazon uk is selling each x files season for £12.97...(too scared to paste a link here...)
- NoQuarter, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10I live in the UK and have attempted to use the BBC streaming of Top Gear when I've missed an episode. I stopped 5 minutes into episode one while Hammond was in his pink car. The stream was of very low quality and it regularly paused to buffer.
A torrent may take two or three hours, but it will be in TV quality with less fussing over streams. Neither version has advertising, and I own a TV license, so what's the actual problem? The BBC don't even sell proper DVDs of the show (only short clips-based ones afaik). - aroot, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10thats funny, i could have swore i saw a commercial that said i could "own it now, on DVD!" the other day; I suppose that I should expect the TV to lie to me, though.
Isn't it strange how business has a different idea of "own" than consumers do? - umberloid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8No surprise here. Our DVR cable box crapped out during the last episode of NCIS (which my wife loves). What are the options in this situation?
1. Check iTunes, can I buy it? Nope.
2. Check CBS's Innertube thing, can I watch it later? Nope.
3. Is it rerun on another day or in the middle of the night? Nope.
Strike 3, so I find the HDTV rip on BitTorrent less than an hour after the episode is over. 20 minutes later, download done. I don't feel bad at all. - mrgreen4242, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9If iTune's TV shows were a buck an episode and HD resolutions (or at least anamorphic DVD quality) they would be raping my wallet right now. But, they're not, so until then...
- howrare, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8the bbc now streams the whole of top gear at least within the uk
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctwo/ - sabbac, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8I download Top Gear all the time, Can't watch it here in the States any other way. best show on TV!
- RadiatedAnt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Sooo, how much money are the public television networks losing out on by downloading these copies? Is it just me or is this whole thing rediculous.
- Sheaf, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9I really wish people would learn how to properly state statistics. Does this study represent a third of Digg users? Absolutely not. Does it represent a third of all of us who use broadband? No.
It was a voluntary response survey to Whirlpool customers in Australia. There is a massive difference between those people and the entire Digg community. - truthRises, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Someone said they hope it doesn't get out of hand like napster...
Hasn't it already?
I mean, I want to be able to download daily show and colbert report, along with adult swim, family guy, simpsons, king of the hill without commercials. I will gladly pay a FAIR price for this service.
Apple almost has the equation. I liked getting the downloads of the daily show and the colbert report., but I didn't have a great experience.
It was fast, but the episodes didn't hit iTunes for at least 12 hours if not 24. They only had comedy central teasers, no other commercials. The episodes all had DRM, which I won't buy (I just wanted to take a test drive). They were also very small in size, and looked grainy on my 19" monitor. The sound quality was poor. They cost $9.99 for 20 episodes.
Downloading the episodes on torrent was slower and took more physical effort on my part, but I usually had them on my hard drive a little sooner than iTunes. They were a nice size that looked good even on a projector. The sound was better... still not great. And they were free, no commercials and no DRM.
Give me new episodes streamed (and saved w/ no DRM) at the same time as the tv, with commercials for 25 cents an episode. No commercials for $1.
Give me old episodes downloaded with no DRM for FREE with commercials and for 10 cents without commercials. Use bittorrent, I'll gladly donate bandwidth for credit. Apple is building this into OS 10.5.
These dumb money grubbers are all scared about hurting their precious DVD sales. They need to forget DVDs, we don't want them! we want downloads!
Evolve or die Hollywood. We didn't really like you anyway. - simeonb, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9This is ridiculous. I don't download TV. I stream it from youtube through peekvid.com, and frankly, I'm insulted.
- PacketScan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7if you pay for cable and download something that was on yesterday and you missed it.. well that should be allowed.
if you pay cable and satellite like me then there should be no question it should be available to us as consumers who have already paid to watch and well happen to miss it. Next I'll get the DVR Fan boys. * Not the point. Why am i paying twice? or three times in my case..
Corporate GREED will never catch up with the consumers wants. - kdehead, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6i concur.
and make the last 50 years worth of TV available.
imagine, for example, being able to "google" for news reports on say, the moon landing or the assasination of John Lennon, or the Challenger disaster - and to have those available via a high quality version of You Tube. it would be an awesome tool for historical research. - MrC539, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Yes it does. Even though it may sound ridiculous, you cannot download copyrighted material without permission, even if you already paid for the channel. Of course, some cable channels like HBO offer "On Demand" programs for free since there are no commercial breaks during HBO programming.
- UnnDunn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6You'd think the TV and movie industries would get this, but no. The only things they are interested in selling are crap-quality 4:3 shows designed to be viewed on a 2.5" screen.
If, tomorrow, someone came up with a subscription or pay-per-download TV store that delivered files comparable to what you get with a torrent, i think it would clean up. I'm hoping Urge provides that when they get into TV shows. - Sal42, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7you don't own the tv show content even though you paid for a right to watch it. when you buy a movie you don't own the movie, you own the right to watch it on the media purchased. doing otherwise is not considered Fair Use.
now i don't agree with that, but that's the law. i have a Tivo and a Mac and I have no way to use TivoToGo. so even if i Tivo the show i still need to pirate it to get it to my computer because i lack a more ethical way of doing the same thing. - Nerys, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8I do not recognize download TV shows as illegal wrong morally or any other way. its freely broadcast and should therfore be up for grabs anyway you like it.
PAID content is different (HBO Pay Per View etc..) but most of regular tv is "unrestricted" so it should not matter how you get it.
the only thing I can understand is if they wanted us to leave the commercials intact when we copied them. that I could understand and agree with.
Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/ - JFetch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Arrr, a pirate's life for me.
At least until all networks get their head out of their ass's and make all shows available online for free in quality equal to what I see on my TV. - PiGuy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Fair enough, and yes, legal torrents/iTunes version would be the way to go if the studios could get their acts together.
- Bloodwah, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6"We don't have Tivo in Australia."
Speak for yourself :)
http://www.oztivo.net/ - DoubtfulSalmon, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7We don't have Tivo in Australia.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5As long as it's the only way I can get the up to date, unedited episodes of Top Gear I'll be downloading them weekly.
- cheesechick, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I don't think $90 is a fair price for one season necessarily (though it does have GOBS of extras if you want them), but I think $50 is. So buy the new thin-pack $50 sets. That's what I've been doing. :P
- bsoric, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4G'darrrr to you to. As an Australian, I'd like to say we're not *all* oblivious to jokes...
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5we also do not have much of online tv options. and we get all shows about 6 months late. and often shows that can survive in the u.s. will get cancelled here.
- tutivlahos, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5What if you recorded on a dvd? Is it piracy? Its the same thing for me.
Like with Pc games, you are allowed to backup your games, as long as you have the original. - serpentor, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5X-Files was funded and paid for (and profited handsomely) from its advertisers when it originally aired. Syndication of the show is just more money down Ruport Murdoch's pockets (and the actors, producers, etc). DVD sales are now a tertiary "icing on the cake". How much "future creativity" is at risk by pirating this show (or any off-the-air show) vs pirating more current media?
- phreakout, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6yes and how is copying something without removing the original stealing ?
clue: It is not, the worst you can accurately say is copyright infringement.
clue2 : Stealing is what great artists do the rest merely copy. (Picasso or Dali?) - aroot, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4It would probably be a lot easier if anything copyrighted just wasn't allowed to be shown on TV. No more lawsuits over DVRs, VCRs, etc.
Down with idea-slavery! - Agret, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"No, that's not right either. "A third of the kiddies who signed up for Whirlpool.net are TV pirates"."
Obviously you don't live in Australia and use Whirlpool..... Whirlpool has tons of experienced ISP staff and people in the IT workforce. There are hardly any kiddies on there, it's an ISP discussion site after all. How many kids pay for their internet? It's pretty much all adults...... - RobotCitizen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3That was a good episode, luservegas.
- AlexApetrei, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4where I live , no one cares for Family Guy ...
Can i buy it from amazon ? Nope (they dont deliver here)
Can I buy it from a shop ? nope (they have stuff like MASH )
Can i download it form Itunes? I dont know dont have an ipod so what;s the use in itunes
So what do i do ? wait until fox runs it in the states. then some guy posts it as a torrent , 10 minutes later there are 4000 leechers on the damn thing, most of which finish rather quickly and become seeders and I get it in a matter of hours. Ahhh, howrs spent to download 20 miutes of pretious fun .
which reminds me any new episodes out there ? - PiGuy, on 10/12/2007, -10/+13I don't believe I ever commented about my feelings on its price. However, do you feel $0 is a more appropriate figure? Apparently the user who wants to watch the show must feel its worth of some value to him, and if thats the case why shouldn't he pay for it? What's wrong with supporting a show you enjoy?
- fredinator, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I don't think $90 is a good price for a TV show. TV is free so the shows should be free and come with advertising.
- teamgreen02, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The only thing that makes downloading tv shows illegal is that they are being rebroadcasted.
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