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- bertsisterwanda, on 10/12/2007, -9/+36NASCAR is got to be the most dullest motorsport, good luck montya next season hopefully you won't get bored of turning left!
- martynda, on 10/12/2007, -1/+22What makes F1 so interesting is the sheer technology involved and just how amazing the cars are. I never used to think much of it until I saw an F1 car drive 10ft away from me, heard it shift gears, and accelerate. Since then, I was hooked.
- MrStylz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16It's hardly fair to compare racing series to another. You always end up with a different agenda and goal.
Formula1 is the epitomy of motorsports. What it lacks in competitiveness it over-excels in pushing technology and cars to their limits. The single most advanced racing series in the world. 400+ million a year for a single team.
MotoGP...they are motorcycles!. Sure, the "F1" of bike racing, and still fun to watch, but it's not comparable.
Sure, it comes down to the driver, but, there's a lot more involved...and it makes MUCH more difference in F1 than other racing series. Let me break a few things down here:
1. Tyres: Look at last year, huge difference. Bad tires and the only races you'll win are the ones where everyone else doesn't race.
2. Aero: If you botch your aero, you're hosed. Not only in design, but during the race, too. You make one little mistake, you run over the wrong curb, you make a run through the grass and catch a stick that breaks your aero, and you're in the pits for a new nose. Look at BMW and thier constant playing, they can't get it right. Of course, they have other problems, but the fact that they can't get a good aero package is hurting them.
3. Reliability. McLaren, last year. Nuff said. For those that don't know, if you finish a race the next race you must use the same engine as before...1 engine, 2 races. McLaren kept blowing them. Arguably, Kimi would have won the championship had the engine been more reliable.
It's the little things that make F1 exciting.
Obviously there's other factors involved, I'm just trying to put the point accross that with F1, it's not as much about the viewing pleasure of the sport, but more about the technology and pushing the envelop as far as you can go. We're talking about teams haveing FULL-SCALE wind tunnels. You get the full effect of these cars when they show a ground level shot of them passing through a chicane...the corning speed is amazing.
Boring to watch races? I've fallen asleep during them, yea, but the sound of a F1's engine is pure technological harmony. I'll never be bored with that. The courses are awesome, the drivers, amazing. I would venture to say that I stay interested in 80% of the races, and I watch them all...I've been to Indy 3 times for the GP...if you live close, you should at least go see them practice.
I've rambled, but in respect to F1! - Apreche, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17I dugg this just to get more F1 stories on digg.
- FidelBlack, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15F1 the highest form of motorsport there is both mechanically and skill wise. You have the most advanced cars is world in the hands of the best drivers in the world. In F1 you don't always have to root for the driver OR the car/engine manufacture. I don't know of any other form of racing cept for Lemans that gives you that much. I agree that its not for everyone, I personally hate nascar but know that some people swear by it. F1 is not boring its just not your cup of tea.
- sonmiles, on 10/12/2007, -7/+22Have to agree with bertsisterwanda...NASCAR has got to be the most boring thing to watch. They try to "fancy" it up with on screen graphics and stats, but still LAME.
- Sithlrd, on 10/12/2007, -5/+18If you're looking for cars that are close enough together to allow 10 on-track leader changes as well as another 10 during pits, then grab a beer, put on a rebel flag cap and watch NASCAR. There they have what's called restrictor plates so that all the engines can only inhale so much air. The cars run close, and crash a lot.
IMO, that's not racing, that's a high-priced demolition derby. F1 puts the best drivers in the best cars and sends em out to race. What you get is that sometimes the car matches the driver matches the crew and they dominate. THAT is a beautiful thing. - candiru, on 10/12/2007, -8/+20i hafta say it. 8 diggs and front page. okay! now! digg me down :)
- bflfab, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14The Guardian is just pissed that Jenson sucks so much.
- R111, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Those who think F1 is boring, are people who dont fully understand what F1 is all about..
I was hook when I watch a guy named Senna.. - IHaveIssues, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9It's the 300 laps that do it I think.
- ayeroxor, on 10/12/2007, -10/+15The help menu system isn't really supposed to be exciting. It's just there to help you use the program.
Perhaps it's time to lower your expectations... - jo42, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5The most amazing thing was when Ferrari was still running 12 cylinder engines. Having one of those cars pass 10m away from you under full throttle was beyond words...
- wvdavis, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6NASCAR is good for three things!
1. Watching the ***** who just bumped his way in to the front wreck.
2. Teaching rednecks how to drive.
3. A Sunday afternoon nap. - smith, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7"I'd like to see Schumacher or Alonso try to hold it together for 500 miles at the brickyard."
Schumacher and Alonso would dominate until some talentless driver pushed them into the wall.
I would love to see one of those Nascar drivers take on 70 laps of high G turns and accelerations without snapping their necks. - Syntaxis, on 10/12/2007, -7/+11A1GP > MotoGP > F1
The real problem is the fact they only make us see Schumacher and Alonso and those other big names, while the action is mostly in the back of the field where rookies that pay to race are actually racing to gain a spot or two.
The big teams, Ferrari and Renault and such are mostly about tactical decision making - when to go into the pits, how many pit stops, you name it. The race itself is just a formality that needs to happen. - TylerDurden0, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Stylz,
It USED to be about pushing the limits of engines and carbon fiber. I love F1 for the fact that these manufacturers will try like hell to outspend one another. Now they have these ***** rules where costs are kept down and some teams are using outdated materials. Those teams are also-rans in that they are just in the way as the leaders try to pass. Let those punks learn the ropes in F3 and others, keep F1 unlimited, so it can continue to be the most elegant and expensive sport in the world. - NSXG5, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Like it was stated already, those who truly understand the sport of Formula One do not think it's boring at all. In fact I can't wait for a F1 race weekend to come up. I haven't missed a race in 10 years (I missed a few during the Schumacher/Benetton 95 season). It's by far the most exciting thing for me on TV. F1 is truly an amazing motorsport series. It has everything, the best drivers, the best race tracks, the best technology, the best cars, the best car manufacturers, etc...
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5another hakkinen fan? :)
- porkisyummy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5"Without him there has been really no consistent competitors to beat schumacher."
In the Past 1.5 seasons:
Fernando Alonso: 229 Points, 13 Wins, 1 World Championship, Currently 1st Place
Kimi Raikkonen: 155 Points, 7 Wins, 2nd Place in 2005 WDC, Currently 4th
Michael Schumacher: 131 Points, 4 Wins (Both Excluding 2005 USGP), 3rd in 2005 (Likely would have finished 4th or 5th without USGP), Currently 2nd
You can also look back to 2003, where the race between Kimi and Michael was down to the wire. Kimi and Fernando have shown that they have the ability to beat Michael on a consistent basis. Hakkinen's success can be partially attributed to the era in which he raced. I'm not saying that he wasn't a great driver, but I'm sure he couldn't have challenged Ferrari in 2002 or 2004. The case of Juan Pablo Montoya further proves that an exciting driver can do very little to add life to F1. - dmclone, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I watch pretty much all racing and have been to a lot of events. IMO Nascar and
F1 can both be boring at times. I like events like the 12 hours of Sebring where you have a lot of different cars with different speeds so you see a lot of passing. You can also sit 20 feet from the track with a lawn chair and a cooler. It doesn't get better then that.
I also like competing in local SCCA autoX's. Their not real exciting to watch but fun to run in.
Motorcycle racing is a lot of fun to watch. I love watching the Isle of Mann every year (on TV).
WRC is fun to watch and I'd probably own an Sti if it wasn't so god ugly. - lolage, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Back way back when I heard Mikka Hakkinen was leaving F1 I was just broken hearted. Without him there has been really no consistant competitors to beat schumacher. If Mikka were to return to F1 I believe it would be a hell of a lot better tbh.
- DarthTurducken, on 10/12/2007, -6/+9WRC > A1GP > MotoGP > F1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsLLTlCUW9Y - spyk3d, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I really wish the BTCC (British Touring Car Championship) was marketed somewhere near as much as F1. I actually look forward to those Sunday afternoons when there *isn't* an F1 GP because we usually get BTCC instead. Much better racing, mostly because is close-wheeled so contact between cars doesn't just spin both cars off the track uselessly. Those of you who have seen that classic Top Gear 5-a-side football match with Toyota Aygos - most of those drivers were from BTCC... they're all nutters!
- 3adkied, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I have to agree with porkisyummy, Hakkinen making things exciting had more to do with the relative strengths of the teams. The biggest problem today is the rules that place so little emphasis on winning. A difference of 2 points out of a possible 180 for a season isn't enough to make the top drivers fight for position. After 2002, the FIA evened out the points so the Championship would be contested until the end. Unfortunately, that meant they no longer try for each race. They need to go back to some of the scoring systems from the past that emphasize winning. 10,6,4 for the top 3 places and only count the best 12 finishes or so.
- oifish, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I say *****. A lot of F1 is actually being at the race. The experience is amazing. With F1 drivers have to have a lot more skill than going in an oval 300 times. I love F1, Champ, and ALMS because of the fact that they actually have to downshift and react to many changes in the landscape of the track. Now the whole thing about Schumacher having a rival is also crap. Last year was the end of his streak and this year there is a great battle between him and Alonso.
- jameshales, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6That was maybe true a few decades ago, but now it's difficult to appreciate the technology, because none of the improvements are really visible any more. Who cares what the engine's lubed with, or what carbon compound the bodies are made of. All the cars are the same, and the regulations are ridiculous. I'd really like it if a new formula was created, where we can see more innovation like the Brabham 'fan car' or the Tyrell 6-wheel car.
- kahrn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3F1 used to be great, back in the day when michael schumacher had a rival, mikka hakkinen and even david couthard. When mikka left, it started to get boring for me as he was the only driver that I respected (other than damon hill but he had already left by the time the mikka rivalry was going on). I'm guessing it got boring for everyone else because only schumacher seemed to win.
I still wouldn't say F1 is really boring though. It's still good, but not nearly as good as it used to be. I also think nascar is way more boring than F1, and for those that think that smashups in nascar are extreme, then try watching the ones in F1.. big smashups are rare, but when they happen they are very extreme.
Iv'e pretty much always preffered off-road (WRC) to road based racing anyways. - mooninite, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Best comment yet.
- tychop, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3DTM is my dope.
- 3adkied, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Absolutely. The battles between Senna & Prost were fantastic, both when they were teammates and on opposing teams. I think the scoring system needs to be fixed. Schumi and Alonso would be fighting each other much harder if half their second place finishes didn't even count (like Prost in 1988).
- ziadoz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2F1 isn't totally boring, but its been progressively going down hill for a while now. Its getting to the point now where almost any attempt at over taking can be considered dangerous driving (part of why Juan Pablo Montoya left for NASCAR I would say).
I would like to see much less of a gap between the top and the bottom teams, but as it stands technology and money are the driving force between the top and bottom, not skill at driving. I still enjoy my F1 despite this, but I can totally agree its been getting boring recently. - fjacky66, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Your right! allso how many of these people actually watch a race all the way through.
- JoeyDeacon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I've been a huge fan of F1 going back 20 years but even I will admit that it has gone seriously wrong recently. In fact the spirit of F1 seemed to die with Senna. The sport has been in gradual decline since then and perhaps in part due to his death. The constant rule changes and restrictons and the increased emphasis on pit stops have taken so much away from the epic battles of old.
In my opinion the excitement of the racing could be improved dramatically and simply by removing refueling. Without refueling the drivers would have to manage the fuel load and its impact on their tyres throughout the course of the race. Just like they used to . The cars would improve and get quicker as the race progressed and frugality at the start woudl allow richer mix at the end and higher revs=more speed.
I cannot remember the last time there was an epic chase when a driver in second place hauled in the 1st place driver and overtook. it just doesn't happen any more because the performance of the cars is totally one paced as they sprint the whole race on minimum fuel.
Also lets get rid of these ridiculous qualifying periods and knockouts. They aren't exciting, they change every year, no one understands them and they contribute absolutely nothing other than advertising revenue. Nothing was wrong with the old 1 hour qualifying sessions. In fact they were a lot more exciting as everything went to the wire. This is what happens when tv execs who know nothing of the sport intervene.
Last but not least the sport needs some characters. Say what you like about Montoya but at least he had balls. Most of the leading drivers at the moment are robots and motor racing is noto meant to be about robots. Motor racing is a sport for big men with big personalities and big moustaches! - NoNom, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4F1s technology, namely the brakes, is why it's so boring. Most passes on non-oval tracks occur in the brake zone. Since F1 has those carbon uber brakes it makes that zone shorter thus reducing the opportunity to pass.
- smenkhare, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4But MotoGP was terrific even when Rossi was winning consistently. Even if Rossi got to the front and steamed away there was still amazing dicing for position everywhere else in the field - not just an F1 procession. In MotoGP it is also pretty obvious how much skill and bravery is involved - bikes sideways and bucking as they put the power down. I'm sure F1 drivers need just as much skill, but you can't see it as obviously.
- Krayzie_Bone, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I enjoy F1 alot but it is kind of boring. The most exciting parts are when the drivers are doing pre pit stops laps when the rival is pitting and out pit laps.
- k4st, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7NASCAR is boring. They just zoom around in groups on a boring track for hours.
- waynechng, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@driftersgold
You're bored at the US Grand Prix cause a modified Indy 500 track does not make a world-class F1 track. - TylerDurden0, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3That's what makes 'em excitin'!
/banjo playing in background - domr, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"none of the improvements are really visible any more"..
Completely agree. Actually, in many respects, the evolution of F1 has gone backwards in the last 10-15 years as the FIA regularly tweaks the rules to slow the cars down. It's a tough call though - if the changes hadn't been made, the cars would be cornering at 300mph by now, and that's just mad.
It would be great to see a formula where technology was allowed to develop more freely, but I can't see it happening any time soon. Drivers these days just aren't prepared to die for our entertainment. Pah. :) - TylerDurden0, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Hakkinen couldn't hold Alonso's jock. If Alonso drove the Ferrari with Michelins, you could just give him that ***** trophy at the beginning of each season. I hope his new team keeps ***** together like Renault has this season.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I think it has more to do with 300 laps of LEFT TURNS!
I enjoy F1, but I can only watch it for a little while, WRC, JGTC, and Lemans are easily the most impressive professional racing events. Drag and Drift are fun too, but they don't really accomplish much - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2look at F1 now - How Michael has managed to snatch the points off Alonso n Renault.. its not only the driver - the tyres, the engine n the aero apart from all other nitty gritty has to it perfect.. F1 is complex - not something you or me can understand to roots.. its the most exciting thing nowadays - you simply dont understand - thats it :P
- TylerDurden0, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I think it's even more amazing now that they get 12-cyl power, acceleration, and performance out of an 8. Now that's engineering, brutha.
- aviazn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"You have the most advanced cars is world in the hands of the best drivers in the world."
And their fate is determined by the technical directors watching the monitors in pit lane.
That's the maddening thing about F1--you have the best drivers, the best cars, and yet the rules are such that they're not allowed to push them to the limit; they encourage strategy to the detriment of the racing. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3First, I want to say that I like all of the tech things on an F1 car, and I like the idea of competition between teams in designing reliable engines and a slick chassis. I'm a fan of F1 as well as the Champ Car World Series and the WRC (even though it isn't carried in the U.S. anymore. . .Speed channel sucks ass now).
However, the Champ Car World Series has a fixed formula engine (V-8 turbo), which dramatically reduces the costs to the teams and provides reliable engines. They have also introduced the Power to Pass button which provides a total of 60 seconds (sometimes more) of a 75 horsepower boost. _Most_ of the drivers and teams in CCWS are young and not backed by astronomical budgets making them work harder for a win. The end result is a bit more passing than F1.
I also like the variety of tracks that CCWS visits, but they are probably going to do away with ovals next year (finally).
Regarding NASCAR. . .too many races, too many cars on the track, stop fooling yourself by calling them "stock" cars and force the bodies to match their street equivalent (i.e. make the NASCAR Monte Carlo match the Chevrolet Monte Carlo's dimensions), more road courses to weed out the "left turn only" drivers, and go with fuel injected engines instead of the carburetor, push-rod dinosaurs they currently have. The existing engines do nothing to advance consumer products which is what all forms of racing should focus on (better tires, fuel economy, safety, etc.) - superbird, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I think people often need to know a bit about racing before it starts to be interesting, and if you don't have some kind of hook to make you want to learn about it then I can see why it's boring. I grew up with motorsport so it wasn't an issue for me. I appreciate golf for the same reason, but I can see why loads of people find it a complete turn-off.
Probably 90% of racing doesn't involve circles though! - TylerDurden0, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Plus, take a look at all the babes that work for the sponsors. I swear once at Laguna Seca, I saw a chick wearing nothing but paint... everywhere!
I'll take them over NeckCAR babes any day of the week. - ephemere, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4They only run the restrictor plates 4 races out of 36 in a season, and that is at the two biggest ovals (Daytona, Talladega) to keep the speeds below 230 and stop them from getting airborne if they spin. To be fair, those four races can become a bit of a demolition derby, but they are the exception, not the rule.
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