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- Bovorik, on 03/28/2009, -0/+18F1 on Digg ftw!
- gethom, on 03/28/2009, -1/+18This is gonna be a fantastic year
- Niubai, on 03/28/2009, -0/+13Brawn GP cars are really impressive. And Barrichello is really, really motivated for this season, he always have been a target for mockery and "second place" jokes at Brazil, now it's probably his time to shut up everyone. And it's nice to see F1 on digg.
- mrbutter, on 03/28/2009, -0/+12Hey look, formula one on digg?
Yeah, it's amazing for button. Good for him! And good for "Honda"! It must feel amazing to get 1-2 grid position after struggling for so long. Hope the name stays as Brawn GP - I feel Ross Brawn deserves the attention. (Apparently it may be renamed to Virgin GP)
Anyways, I'm pro ferrari but this is good. This is good :) - borez, on 03/28/2009, -1/+13That was one of the best qualifying sessions I've seen for years.
- carbonfilament, on 03/28/2009, -0/+9YAY! F1 on FRONT PAGE!
- SpeedyG, on 03/28/2009, -0/+8And quietly, Vettel puts the Red Bull in third sandwiched in between diffuser cars.
- benbread, on 03/28/2009, -0/+7it's really great to see Jenson in the lime light instead of having to stand as a veteran in a rookies shadow. Great stuff Button and great work Brawn GP - Good to see us Brits aren't just a one driver nation. :)
- replaysMike, on 03/28/2009, -1/+8wow that title was not what I thought it meant.
- manutd8611, on 03/28/2009, -0/+5i doubt they will be this dominant for the whole year. Everybody else will catch up quickly.
- 3leggedHorse, on 03/28/2009, -0/+4Mclaren fail.
- inactive, on 03/28/2009, -0/+4So no one wants to talk about the obvious advantage their diffuser gave them? I mean it's nice to see them do well, but let's keep in mind everything wasn't quite evenly matched.
- inactive, on 03/28/2009, -1/+4It's the diffuser...
- EarlOfLade, on 03/28/2009, -0/+3It was truly an amazing qualifier last night! I've been waiting on the season to start now since the checkered flag fell in Sao Paulo and what a pre-seasoner it has been and what an opening weekend so far! 2009 will be the best year in F1 history, I feel like a kid in a candy store!
We should organize a Digg F1 Fan Club trip to the Grand Prix in Sao Paulo this year to attend the season ender. - burketo, on 03/28/2009, -1/+4Brawn GP is going to rape the competition this year.
- mrbutter, on 03/28/2009, -0/+3Unfortunately the season ender will not be in Brazil...it will be in Abu Dhabi :(
- DivineMonkey, on 03/28/2009, -1/+4Refreshing change for F1.
- Ferrari Fan - mrbutter, on 03/28/2009, -0/+3yes, where did I say they didn't? lol ;)
- EarlOfLade, on 03/28/2009, -0/+2Now, the diffuser helps, but it's far from the only thing that made Brawn GP take pole and second.
If you look at the weight of the cars, you'll see that both Brawn GP cars are heavier than most others, meaning they were running with some pretty hefty fuel loads, almost 20k more resulting in somewhere between 7 and 10 laps more and they still managed to blow the field away.
It's more to the story than just diffusers. - mrbutter, on 03/28/2009, -0/+2Well, to be fair...the diffuser helps a lot. If it's deemed legal then all the powerhouse teams will implement it and then they won't rape anymore. They won't suck like last year but I doubt they'll be raping everyone ;)
- IamtheZog, on 03/28/2009, -0/+2I posted this on a lower comment of yours, but I thought that I would post it here so that people might get more of a chance to read it. I edited some things that wouldn't have made sense in the context of this location in the thread.
It's an analysis of the qualifying form of the BrawnGP car compared to the Ferrari.
When you look at the qualifying form the BrawnGP car was .8 seconds faster than the Ferrari. The FIA is making the teams publish how much fuel they are running, which means that we can correct for fuel load without it being wild speculation. So if you correct the times, the BrawnGP car had a .3 second disadvantage because it is running heavier on fuel than the Ferrari.
That puts us up to 1.1 seconds, raw pace, that the BrawnGP is faster than the Ferrari. Now lets correct that time for the diffusor difference. Helmut Marko claims that the diffusor design offers a .5 second advantage per lap. This is likely just an estimate, but it's coming from one of the teams filing the complaint. See: http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/03/24/red-bull-wil ... for the Helmut Marko claim.
So, with all corrections in place, the BrawnGP car is still .6 seconds faster than the Ferrari.
Compared to Vettel and the Redbull, who by the way did a stellar job. The BrawnGP qualified .63 seconds faster is at a .18 second disadvantage for fuel (BGP is heavier than the Redbull), but has what may be a .5 second advantage for the diffusor. So total the BGP is .31 seconds faster than the Redbull on paper, when times are corrected.
The fuel weight advantage/disadvantage came from www.itv-f1.com - mrbutter, on 03/28/2009, -0/+2@dan: maybe not top the field but certainly close.
- borez, on 03/28/2009, -0/+2Yep, Jenson had a bum deal when Brawn was Honda. I love to see him up there.
- inactive, on 03/28/2009, -0/+2Ok well I acknowledge that they have improved greatly. All I'm saying is it's hard to know exactly where everyone stands when there's such a gap in performance between the new-style diffuser cars and the standard diffuser cars.
- EarlOfLade, on 03/28/2009, -0/+2But that's the point. Vettel in a regular diffuser car is in third place on the starting grid, ahead of those two other teams with the new diffuser.
Yes, the new diffuser creates greater downforce, but greater downforce means lower speed. It seems like Brawn GP has found the balance between gearing the car correctly, having just the right amount of downforce and as little drag as possible. Maybe they are even getting more power out of the Merc engine through modifications made, who knows?
Yes, the new diffuser design results in more downforce, but downforce alone is not the answer. - EarlOfLade, on 03/28/2009, -0/+2I've liked the way Vettel drive and handle himself from the moment he stepped into an F1 car. Given the right car, he is a championship contender and I hope we will see a lot more of him in the years to come.
Can't wait for 1am Sunday morning to roll around! - inactive, on 03/28/2009, -0/+2The fact that Vettel and Kubica were able to qualify where they did considering where their teammates were and amongst the diffuser cars is just a credit to their incredible driving ability. They're two of the most talented drivers in the field IMO.
- EarlOfLade, on 03/28/2009, -0/+2No, that's not what I said.
I said that the diffusers were not the only reason why Brawn GP did so well.
There are two other diffuser teams too and they are both behind Brawn. And Vettel in third is not running a diffuser car. - inactive, on 03/28/2009, -0/+2So you're suggesting that had all the cars in the field been using the same style diffuser Brawn GP would still top the field? I'm sorry but I don't see it. Especially considering how close Ferrari is to the new-style diffuser teams without running it themselves.
- Ragzouken, on 03/28/2009, -0/+1I came here expecting to see some sort of stunstick intended to hurt muscley guys.
- mrbutter, on 03/28/2009, -0/+1This is true but it's still a huge improvement over last year. And I think that is what matters.
- IamtheZog, on 03/28/2009, -0/+1I just want to note that the times were taken from www.itv-f1.com/. I'm new to posting on digg, and couldn't find the edit button >_<.
I think that there is a chance that this will happen later in the season as the teams continue to develop the cars. I don't think that McLaren is going to bounce back that much, I think they will end up being like last years Renault. It's going to be interesting to see, but I really think that BrawnGP has found a good car, with or without the diffusor - IamtheZog, on 03/28/2009, -1/+2I'd like to point out that you're crazy. First off the McLaren car is having all kinds of aerodynamic problems. Kovi and Hamilton only managed 12th and 18th respectively, with both drivers complaining that they have no grip.
The real reason however, is that when you look at the qualifying form the BrawnGP car was .8 seconds faster than the Ferrari. The FIA is making the teams publish how much fuel they are running, which means that we can correct for fuel load without it being wild speculation. So if you correct the times, the BrawnGP car had a .3 second disadvantage because it is running heavier on fuel than the Ferrari.
That puts us up to 1.1 seconds, raw pace, that the BrawnGP is faster than the Ferrari. Now lets correct that time for the diffusor difference. Helmut Marko claims that the diffusor design offers a .5 second advantage per lap. This is likely just an estimate, but it's coming from one of the teams filing the complaint. See: http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/03/24/red-bull-wil ... for the Helmut Marko claim.
So, with all corrections in place, the BrawnGP car is still .6 seconds faster than the car that you argue is the fastest when everyone is on an "equal playing field". - salinemist, on 03/28/2009, -0/+1Payback for the first year they went to grooved tires and McLaren lapped the field in the first race.
Yet somehow MS came back and mounted a title charge! - inactive, on 03/28/2009, -0/+1Well it'd be hard not for them to improve over last year, but the point is we don't really know how much they've improved yet until this diffuser business is sorted out. It does seem they've improved quite a bit but let's not pretend like they've in actuality gone from last to first.
- brim4brim, on 04/04/2009, -0/+1On Pole in Malaysia now too, W00T!
- Carlsen, on 03/28/2009, -0/+1Good to see.
I want to see Vettel win so bad! - inactive, on 03/28/2009, -0/+1I would say the diffuser is entirely the reason Brawn is ahead of Ferrari, McLaren, BMW, and maybe Red Bull. Other mechanical improvements may have pushed them in front of Williams, Toyota and Renault, but its the diffuser that's put them in front of those top teams. At least that's how I see it. Time will tell if I'm correct.
- Danltn, on 03/28/2009, -0/+1No, I'm digging you up - and there's nothing you can do about it.
- inactive, on 03/28/2009, -0/+1All I can say is we'll see. It's a feeling I have. You're free to have another feeling if you'd like.
- elryanoo, on 03/28/2009, -0/+0Now hopefully we'll see some good side by side racing.
- HalsMyPal, on 03/28/2009, -1/+1I dont' think so. if it was then the top six would all be the cars with the diffusers but 3 and 4 are Red Bull and BMW which have the "accepted" diffuser. But no doubt it helped them, i dont think it gave it to them. otherwise we would have seen more competition for pole among the three diffuser teams.
- danirr, on 03/28/2009, -0/+0copado!
- inactive, on 03/28/2009, -1/+1I just have a feeling looking at times so far that when everyone is on an equal playing field with this diffuser business it's going to line up more like:
Ferrari
McLaren
BMW/Red Bull
Brawn
Williams
Toyota/Renault
Toro Rosso/Force India
Granted that's still quite an improvement over last year for Brawn, but certainly not the last to first improvement this qualifying session would indicate. - snarkastic, on 03/28/2009, -0/+0@burketo - What a crass way to express it.
- EarlOfLade, on 03/28/2009, -1/+1I have no doubt that Ferrari, McL-Merc and the rest of the "normal" leaders will catch up and modify their own diffuser design but it may take some time and may not even be possible due to some gear box placements and for one team, the use of pull-rods rather than push-rods or was it the other way around? LOL I forgot!
But from the look of the situation for some of the former top teams, it may look like they are battling other issues too, some have balance issues and some have aerodynamic issues in addition to the diffuser situation. It may take a few months for them to catch up and that may or will be too late to win the championship, so I think this will be a very open year in F1 and who knows who will end up on the top come Sao Paolo, but isn't that really great? - scarwars, on 03/28/2009, -2/+1uhm.. BrawnGP uses Mercedes-Benz engines..
http://www2.brawngp.com/pdf/bgp001techspec.pdf - borez, on 03/28/2009, -3/+1Digg me down, it was... although it might have something to do with the Benq projector I've just purchased, and the fact that it was back on the BBC, so no ***** adverts.
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